JonnyF

English people waving the English flag in public? The horror!!! I hope they were arrested, or at the very least given a Palestinian flag to wave by the Police.

If the friend was also Scottish, I'm guessing it was his round next and decided it would save him 90 Baht if his friend had an "unfortunate accident" before arriving at the next bar.

That hill is lethal in the wet. The foreigner was fortunate the van wasn't 50 metres further up the road.

It's an observation based on another poster's view that all GOP supporters are stupid in comparison to Dem supporters. Based on the posts on here, that appears not to be the case.

I'm afraid I don't have one from 30 minutes ago. If you can find a poll on how many people want a rejoin referendum that is more recent than the one I posted then feel free to share. It's not meaningless. If everyone wants to rejoin as you claim, surely it would be the right thing to do. Would be a massive vote winner as well. You have it back to front. The referendum would precede the negotiations with the EU. The UK is free to have a referendum on whatever they like, we don't need premission from the EU. Terms of rejoining would be discussed with the EU after a vote to Rejoin and until then the EU would not need to be involved. I can imagine Von Der Leyen now. "Yeah I know Rejoin won the referendum 70/30, but does Rees-Mogg agree? otherwise we won't open negotiations" 😄 If you have a more recent poll showing the majority want a rejoin referendum, feel free to post it. There's no appetite for it.

That's not an insult. It's an observation. If you feel it is not accurate, read some of @Tug posts on Trump.

A lame argument. May 2024 has also been and gone. It doesn't mean a poll from May can be ignored. 2023 is hardly ancient history given that we are still in the first half of 2024. In 2023 they said they don't want one now and they don't want one in the next 5 years. Are you claiming they've all changed their minds? Labour certainly don't seem to think it's a vote winner. Otherwise given that they want to rejoin, it would be in their manifesto since it would guarantee a win at the election and re-entry to the EU. Strange then, that they don't have it in there. A real mystery 😃.

Like I said, all insults and no substance. The posts from the GOP supporters are so much more interesting and insightful than the bile/drivel from the left.

But the election is 6 weeks away.😃 Not 2033. Let's see how the EU and UK is doing in 2033 and see if people still want a referendum then. As of now, there's no appetite for it as my link showed.

Like I said, lazy, glib comments and no substance. Typical of the left. Although in your defense at least your posts are mostly legible unlike many suffering from a rabid hatred of Trump.

If you didn't want polling evidence you shouldn't have asked for it. Your position appears to be that Labour who are Pro Rejoin have an electorate desperate for a referendum to rejoin yet they refuse to make it part of their manifesto. Are they scared of getting too many votes and too large a majority? Like many of your arguments, it simply makes no sense. If Labour want it, and the electorate want it, why not make it the headline of their manifesto? The Rejoin General Election. They'd walk it, right? Or maybe they read the same poll that I showed you? 😄

An interesting conclusion. As a neutral observer, it seems many of the Biden supporters on the forum are semi-literate and can only make childish insults about Trump and people who vote GOP (if you can actually make it to the end of their rambling, vitriolic rants devoid of paragraphs and littered with slang/grammatical errors). The GOP supporters tend to write coherently and make logical arguments, even if I do not always agree with them. Just an observation. The Dunning-Kruger effect could explain it.

Of course. Like I said, there is no appetite for it at the moment. If there was then Labour would propose it. They'd propose selling Granny to Russia if they thought it would get them power. https://yougov.co.uk/politics/articles/45986-46-36-britons-say-there-should-be-another-eu-refer

Probably the same day William Wallace is reincarnated and leads the proud Scots to Independence. 😃 It's over. Let go.

Well, if everyone wanted to rejoin then it would get them into power. They are not doing it because they know it is not popular. Doesn't matter. They could get power and hold the referendum. Then win it (according to you). Then start negotiations. Nonsense. They know public opinion perfectly well which is why they won't touch it with a bargepole. It's a vote loser. It's over. Let go.

Oh I see the issue here, I was talking about the actual facts about the UK economy, not some leading questions on a dodgy opinion poll. Either way, we're out now and voting Labour won't change that. If Labour were so sure people wanted to rejoin they would stand on a manifesto of a second referendum to rejoin. They are not. Why? Because they know it would cost them the election.

No he isn't. He's pretending to in order to get votes for November. Anyone who believes him is gullible in the extreme.

A protest vote. Why did traditional red wall voters vote for Boris en masse giving him a huge majority in 2019? Because they were sick of Labour ignoring their Brexit vote and were prepared to hold their nose. Nobody predicted that, including you. So are you saying red wall voters can vote for Boris but Tory voters cannot vote Labour? It's not a logical argument. Many people are fed up with the Tories and want to teach them a lesson. Since there is very little between them and Labour these days, they probably think it won't make much difference and want to stick it to the Tories. If they now have a choice of how to do that (Labour or Reform) I predict they will choose Reform to demonstrate what they want the Tories to be. Right of centre. They don't need to vote Labour to stick it to the Tories any more. It's an easy out. I believe this will cost Labour the votes of disillusioned Conservatives. I don't need an opinion piece from The Telegraph (or The Guardian) to convince me, because we are all making a prediction and I have stated my reasons for reaching my conclusion. I think this could make the election a lot closer than polls are suggesting and I wouldn't rule out a hung Parliament.

Well, as one example I'd describe their laissez-faire attitude to immigration as "left". Huge amounts of public spending on the NHS. Legalising same sex marriage. They have been creeping to the left for years. I see very little difference between Labour and the Conservatives now. Compared to say, the 70's and 80's.

Factually correct, if one looks at the stats. Just like being born an albino is not 'normal', neither is being homosexual. That's not to insult albinos (or homosexuals), it's just that statistically speaking it is not the norm. He is also correct about Labour and the Tories being "two cheeks of the same a***". Obviously the left cheek is uglier than the right cheek, but his comment stands up to scrutiny when you look at the similarities between them.

Correct. The Tories have drifted to the point there is very little between them and Labour now (except for the rhetoric).

That's better, try to limit the lazy glib responses, it makes for a much better debate. This is a conservative opinion piece aimed at stopping Farage. Of course the Tories want everyone to vote Tory. The reality is that many people to the right of centre that are fed up with the Tories will now vote Reform instead of Labour. Labour just lost many of those disillusioned Conservative voters. I wouldn't rule out a Tory/Reform coalition, with Reform gently nudging the Tories back to right from where they have drifted to their current left of centre position. The Conservatives might be forced to be Conservative again.

That wouldn't be the half that vote Democrat would it?

A lazy reply.

If by failure, you mean outperforming France and Germany. https://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2024/01/26/even-lacklustre-britain-outperforming-failing-europe/ The EU is failing. We got out at the right time. History will be very kind to Brexit. The Scots should be thanking Westminster.