JonnyF

31 minutes ago, sawadee1947 said:

....because it doesn't fit for YOUR purpose ? Ever heard about democracy? Or you prefer a dictatorship? 

Yes, the referendum was an excellent example of Democracy. A huge turnout, Leave won.

Parliament then conspiring to block leaving is an excellent example of a failing Democracy. So if they continue to attempt to block the implementation of the democratic vote then I am all in favour of prorogation. Parliament pitting themselves against the people (the source of their legitimacy) is a failure of the UK's democratic system.

You think allowing Parliament to overturn the largest democratic exercise in British history is democratic? Going against their own manifesto on which they were elected? Against the legislation they themselves enacted? 

10 minutes ago, Benroon said:

I see HMRC are now saying less than 10% of UK companies are prepared for a no deal Brexit - and haven't even applied for the export licenses they are going to need...

You do realize that only 6-8% of UK companies export to the EU?  

Good lad.

Parliament is a disgrace. Not fit for purpose. 

Even a lot of Remainers realize a second referendum solves nothing. If Leave win again we're back where we started. If Remain win, Leave will instantly call for a decider, so we're back where we started.

I really don't understand what is supposed to happen AFTER a second referendum. Unless of course the Remain side think that a win for them would see all the Leavers instantly and graciously concede defeat with the score at 1-1 in the way that Remainers have steadfastly refused to do while 0-1 down. There's no chance of that, so another referendum simply drags this on for another 2-3-4 years.

We have to leave at the end of October. If Parliament continue to act against the will of the electorate then Parliament should be prorogued. If Bercow continues to show bias towards Remain, he should be replaced. MP's can no longer be allowed to put their personal preferences ahead of the article 50 legislation that they themselves voted for, following the democratically provided instruction of the people who elected them, the people who pay their salaries, the people they serve. 

14 hours ago, welovesundaysatspace said:

Brilliant. You should apply those ingenious tactics to your personal life as well: “No, I will not pay the remaining six months of my gym contract. I want to leave now and honoring contracts hurts my sovereignty. I might pay if you give me free access to your facilities for another three years though, and, of course, you would have to prove that you’re being audited by a Swiss audit firm. Not sure what that has to do with my gym contract, but my Führer told me I should say it.”

 

If I left my gym contract early (let's say for example the management committee were charging me more than other members and then giving them my money, were corrupt and the president was often drunk) I would pay until the end of the current period.

If I was asked to pay 3-4-5 times my annual subscription simply to leave, for nothing in return except a promise then I would not pay. If they said I couldn't join another gym until they agreed a solution to some massively exaggerated problem with the entrance to next door, I would tell them to go forth and multiply. I would walk away and pay nothing. As the UK will do in October.

1 hour ago, Chomper Higgot said:

For challenging the suggestion that Parliament should be suspended?!

 

Away with this idle and mindless stroll into tyranny.

 

No.

For his constant attempts to thwart Brexit at every turn. Making up the rules as he goes along and ignoring the advice of the official guardians of the rules of procedure. For ignoring precedent. The speaker should be impartial and he clearly is not. He should be removed with immediate effect.

42 minutes ago, Benroon said:

As if the UK credibility crash isn't bad enough we would have Esther McVey walking into top level international meetings with THAT accent - no chance !

 

The bill for interpreters would go through the roof !!

She looks a lot better than Merkel though!

PS, if as your Avatar suggests you are from Wolverhampton, criticizing other people's accents might not be a great idea ????????.

22 minutes ago, sawadee1947 said:

That is a very strange view of reality. If UK want to trade with EU after Brexit and had not pay the bills .......what do you think EU's reaction would be???? 

Welcome UK? 

UK needs EU but not really vice versa. 

I think we can live without haggis. 

But can you live without wine, fruits and cars? Sure, there are always horse carts available, back to medieval times if you are lucky. 

The EU is not the only place that makes cars, wine and fruit. Japan has been known to make a few decent cars, as does S.Korea (who we just agreed a trade deal with). Australian makes fantastic wine, as does Chile, the US etc.

If the EU wishes to punish the UK, they will be cutting off their nose to spite their face, the German auto industry for example does not need British consumers to stop buying their cars. I highly doubt Southern Europe wishes to lose their tourists. The best thing would be for the EU to stop trying to punish the UK and sign a free trade deal, let's hope common sense prevails.

1 hour ago, Baerboxer said:

 

Having seen the wonderful job being done on Brexit, are you supremely confident that the UK can negotiate fantastic trade deals with all the countries you name, plus others?

 

Are you aware how long it takes to conclude the average trade deal?

Just lined one up with South Korea.

https://www.bbc.com/news/business-48577667

If there is good will on both sides we can do them fairly quickly. Of course, the one with the EU will take decades because "good will" and "EU" rarely end up in the same sentence.

15 hours ago, kingdong said:

perhaps berko should just do his job,remain impartial,and mind his own buisness.

Exactly. Berco is a disgrace, he's not even bothering to pretend he's impartial any more. He needs removing. 

Unfortunately for this "French source", french sources do not decide this. If push comes to shove the international court of justice will decide. This will take many, many years and most likely will result in the UK being liable for a fraction of the 39 billion, paid over many years, completely messing up the EU's budgeting process.

I bet they're starting to wish they'd given an inch in negotiations. Time limiting the backstop would have prevented all of this but they wanted to have their cake and eat it. They wanted to tie the UK in via the backstop (enabling them to blackmail us in future negotiations) while taking 39 Billion for nothing. Sorry Mr Barnier, you got greedy and now you will pay the price. 

Who predicted this? Sounds like the sort of doomsday nonsense Mark Carney or George Osbourne would come out with. I wonder if this will happen before or after the 800,000 job losses, the emergency budget, the 30% drop in house prices etc.

Once the sore losers stop blocking Brexit and we see that the sky didn't fall, the pound will start making gains.

6 hours ago, Baerboxer said:

Boris talking is load of bllcks as usual.

 

He knows very well the next PM cannot make that decision and implement it unilaterally.

 

If people thought May didn't have support in parliament wait and see what happens if this moron gets the job.

 

He will finish off the dying Tory party and let in the loony likely ruinous commie Corbyn and the delightful Diane!

It's already been voted through parliament and written into legislation. It's called article 50.

If a hard Leaver who believes in No Deal gets the PM job, the only thing "Remainer" Tories can do to try to stop No Deal is bring down their own government. That risks destroying the Conservative party, electing Corbyn (Marxist) or Farage (hard Brexiteer) and them losing their own seats and most likely their political careers. They might want a deal but not enough to risk that, they're far too self serving. 

The likes of Philip Hammond are bluffing and really should keep their mouths shut. No Deal is on like Donkey Kong.

Outrageous comment from Trump. 

Khan isn't a stone cold loser. He's a lukewarm, tepid loser.

This is just a publicity stunt from some bitter Remoaners, the anti-democrats who cannot accept defeat with maturity and grace.

The message was "We send the EU 350 million a week". That is true. It is also true that they send 100 million back. 

Was it misleading? Yeah, maybe. But then the Remainer statements that we'd lose over 500,000 job losses on a vote to leave was also misleading. The claim we'd have an emergency budget on a vote to leave was also misleading. Theresa May saying over 100 times that we'd leave on 29 March was also misleading. In fact, all of Project Fear was misleading. So if this is the precedent I guess we'll be seeing a lot of Remainers in court for the nonsense they were spouting in the build up to the referendum.