JonnyF

1 hour ago, Baerboxer said:

 

Hmmm. We don't have any trade agreements outside the EU. They will need to be set up along with any tariff agreements. Not something that happens overnight - usually takes years to negotiate and agree. Similarly we don't have any supply chains set up, which again don't happen overnight.

 

Please don't spout WTO like that stupid parrot Farage. The EU is a member, the UK not. Joining and being able to trade on WTO terms isn't something that happens quickly either. 

 

The current government have demonstrated over and over they don't give a toss about the people, the truth or doing what's best for the country. They'll make sure they're ok along with their families. Wait for -some <deleted>-Tory to mention rationing, austerity, Victorian spirit etc etc.

Are you suggesting that we will be unable to purchase anything from any foreign countries on 1st November because we don't have a trade deal?

18 minutes ago, juice777 said:

It said warehouses are full it doesn't say full with food dose it.

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It's predominantly food and medicine (which in case you aren't aware is also available from outside the EU and there is nothing stopping us buying it from there if the EU want to mess us about).

On the one hand Remainers say we have no space in warehouses because we stockpiled when we thought we were leaving in March, and on the other hand we haven't got any food. What do you think we were stockpiling in March? Father Christmas outfits?

I heard one Remainer complaining that we have too much lamb to export so we'll have to slaughter them. Another one was saying we won't be able to import enough lamb. Hmmm, I think I may have a cunning solution here that involves consuming local produce.

My opinion? In the short term a few items may cost a little bit more, a very small amount of items might not be available or different brands of the same item might be on the shelves instead. Within 6 months everyone will be wondering what the fuss was all about. Within 2 years we will start to see tangible benefits including lower prices as we sign trade deals around the world.

If the EU is still pouting that we left their special club then you'll be seeing more Hondas, Subaru, Toyotas, Lexus, Chevrolet, Hyundai, Kia's, Nissan etc. on British roads and a lot less Citroen, Seat, BMW, Renault, Mercedes. A lot more products from Commonwealth countries, Asia and the US. Australian and South African wines. Local craft beers. South American products. It could be a cultural awakening for British consumers. Of course, if the EU wakes up and grows up and signs a trade deal they might not lose too much of than 68 Billion pound trade surplus. Up to them.

15 minutes ago, OJAS said:

Yep, all too reminiscent of the hysterical "Millennium Bug" scaremongering that was being whipped up 20 years ago, I think. Those of us with sufficiently long memories can well recall what happened (or rather didn't) at the stroke of midnight on 31st December 1999/1st January 2000.

I was a developer for a software house that developed ERP systems at that time. There was a lot of work that went into ensuring that there were relatively few issues with our systems but it was ultimately successful.

Your analogy is a good one though, it's a lot like Brexit. The issues are real and need to be addressed but they are being hugely exaggerated by some people. If correct planning and preparation is done there will be very few serious issues.

The main difference between the two is that everyone was on the same side preparing for the "millennium bug" whereas with Brexit we have the EU trying to screw us over and Remainers hoping we fail so they can say I told You So. However, it is the Leavers with the courage and conviction to make this work despite all the negativity, scheming and fearmongering of Remainers. 

1 hour ago, AlexRich said:

Heard it all before. Since the referendum the Brexiteer predictions on here have been consistently wrong. Recently recall an argument with one about how it was impossible, by law, not to leave on 31 March 2019 ... and how his superior knowledge and legal understanding trumped mine. Not a sound from him since. 

 

If you believe that a government that will soon lose its majority (due to defections) can by pass parliament and engineer “no deal” good luck ... but you’ll look pretty foolish when it doesn’t happen. 

Nothing to engineer. It's already in legislation. The difference now is that the weak, mealy mouthed, duplicitous disaster that was Theresa May has gone so there is nobody left to ask for an extension.

The losers are running out of options and will have to accept the democratic will of the people sooner or later. 

By the way, all talk of a 'deal' referred to a trade deal until Theresa tried to lock us in for several more years and changed the meaning of a 'deal' to mean a withdrawal deal. The EU seriously expect us to pay 39 Billion to lock ourselves into the customs union indefinitely? Yeah OK Mr Barnier, that sounds great. Don't call us, we'll call you.

1 hour ago, alanrchase said:

If this was happening in Asia, Brits would all be having a laugh at the antics of "third world politics".

True.

Thankfully it's temporary as we have solid systems in place. At the next General Election all these Remainers in Leave seats who are trying to overturn the referendum result will be on the scrap heap. Their political careers finished. If they don't believe in politicians listening to the electorate then SE Asia might be a good place for them.

Why would Johnson deliberately set an election date in October before we've left? All he has to do is set an election date for mid November. We'll be out by then so there will be no point voting for the Lib Dems, no point voting for the Brexit party and no point voting for Corbyn who has shown himself to be devoid of the stones to get anything done or even to form a position. 

Nope, this one's a non starter. Time for the losers to try and find another way to overturn the democratic vote. Maybe Dominic Grieve can go back to his plan of blocking the tax payers money being spent on education and housing for the poorest in society in the event of no deal. That will really help the country... 

10 hours ago, oldhippy said:

If only the European electorate were given the opportunety to vote: Keep the British on board OR kick them out.

 

I don't think there would have been a narrow margin in the results of that vote.

 

The European electorate given the opportunity to vote on anything meaningful? ???? I think you're massively overestimating the levels of democracy in the EU.

Von Der Leyen will decide. She was 'elected' after days of horse trading resulted in a classic German/French stitch up in the darkened, grubby, smoke filled back rooms of Brussels during which they ensured their chosen individual (an easily manipulated puppet) was the only candidate for the position. This is democracy, EU style.

7 minutes ago, 7by7 said:

 Under May's deal we would have left the jurisdiction of the ECJ by December 2020.

 

The UK government controls fishing access to the UK's territorial waters, not the EU.

 

Whether the EU would allow a soft border between a member state and a non-member is open to question; some say yes, most say no.

 

Yes, the EU could do a deal which benefits both sides; have offered one in fact. Want one, in fact.

 

It is those Brexiteers who want no deal who are doing the nose cutting; the UK's nose that is!

But under No deal we get all those things (except a trade deal) immediately. Why pay 39 Billion to wait for them and risk (100-1 on) the EU not letting us out of the backstop?

Some say yes, some say no to a soft border? Well Barnier and Junker said no hard border, Varadkar says no to a hard border, Johnson says no to a hard border, so please remind me who is insisting on it.

We can do the trade deal after we've left (the WA doesn't include a trade deal anyway) since it will be much easier to negotiate a deal when the EU doesn't have us handcuffed by the backstop. Why would the EU do a trade deal with us when they can unilaterally decide to keep us locked into the customs union by saying there's still issues with the Irish border? That was the whole point of exaggerating the border issue. Macron even openly threatened to use the backstop to blackmail us on fishing rights. Good faith?

There are very few benefits and loads of huge drawbacks with the WA from the UK point of view (it's massively geared towards benefiting the EU and the EU only) which is why the UK has finally grown a pair and said Thanks, but no Thanks.

20 minutes ago, Mavideol said:

would you be so kind to provide supporting data for such a non sense comment, you really think the EU would allow a no hard border with the UK, if that is/was the case why all the fuss

Now you have seen the handful of posts directly beneath yours confirming that the EU has confirmed there will be no hard border, I would like to ask you the same question.

Why all the fuss?

Could it possibly be that the EU has attempted to create a problem that doesn't really exist in order to lock the UK into the customs union indefinitely via the backstop? Surely our good friends and partners would never do such a thing. After all, they've acted in such good faith throughout the negotiations, right? 

11 minutes ago, 7by7 said:

 

You are merely repeating what I said, with a few misconceptions thrown in. Misconceptions which have been covered and proven to be just that time after time in various topics.

 

It is not a question of nose cutting; it is a question of coming up with a deal which is accepted by both parties.

 

May negotiated such a deal, only Rees-Mogg blocked it for his own purposes. Had he put county before personal ambition then we would have left the EU last March.

 

As for the trade surplus; I think the UK will be more effected by losing 13% of our market (Welsh sheep farmers 98% of theirs!) than the EU will be by losing 3 to 4 % of theirs!

 

What misconceptions? Please let me know which part of what I said is untrue?

As for the 13% the UK will lose compared to 3-4% of the EU, basically, you are saying the EU is prepared to hurt themselves based on the premise that the UK will hurt more, when in fact they could do a trade deal that benefits both sides. That is the very definition of cutting your nose off to spite your face.

4 minutes ago, Mavideol said:

please, please do and when the NI start the bombings don't come back crying the blues

Why would there be bombings when the UK, The ROI and the EU have all said there would be no hard border? 

Frankly I am growing tired of Remainers using the threat of violence to try and overturn the result of the democratic vote.

24 minutes ago, 7by7 said:

The EU doesn't have to do anything, doesn't have to give us anything. The UK has decided to leave, all the EU legally must do is let us. Anything else is negotiable. 

Equally, we don't have to give the EU anything, we just leave. No hard border, no 39 Billion, no more ECJ jurisdiction, no more access to UK fishing waters, no more 8.9 Billion pounds a year net contribution to support the EU's failing economic model.

All that is ultimately left on 1st November is a 64 Billion pound trade surplus that the EU has with the UK. I'd be looking for a trade deal to protect that if I was in the EU. The only question is how much of their nose are they prepared to cut off to spite their face. 

Funny how they couldn't find they cash until they were shamed on Facebook a couple of weeks ago.

Now as if by magic, 42 million Baht appears complete with a celebrity to hand it over like someone just won the top prize on "If the Price is Right". 

What a family.