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Just checked with the pump off and the air con and water heater on the voltage dropped to 186v with everything turned of I got 210v also I forgot to mention that we are at the end of the line as far as the supply is concerned

Your utility service is obviously not able to support the load at your house. Is 3-phase service available on the pole where you get your power from the utility, or close by? With 3-phase you could split up the separate loads.

No there is no 3 phase the nearest is about 1 kilometre away in a different direction from where my supply comes from which means there are no poles to support the cables

Just checked with the pump off and the air con and water heater on the voltage dropped to 186v with everything turned of I got 210v also I forgot to mention that we are at the end of the line as far as the supply is concerned

If your 10A air and 11A pump are pulling you down to 207V on a 100A supply you (or rather the supply company) have a problem.

Adding another 8kW (36A) is only going to compound the issues

Can you estimate how far you are from the supply transformer?

Time to talk to PEA.

Can you use the pump in the morning to even out the load?

Thanks for your help so far no I do not know where the transformer is at the moment we already use the pump mornings and evenings what I am most concerned about if like yesterday when I turned on the water the voltage dropped to 177v and that was after it cut out the pump so that was only the water heater and one air con unit I would hate to think what might happen if I also turned on the larger air con unit as well

I have a 30amp supply and the meter is in front of the house about 20 meters from the consumer board I cannot check from the meter because it has a seal on it the wires to the meter are each 35sq/mm

OK, check at your consumer unit then (or an outlet near it).

Is that a 30/100 supply you have? (says on the meter) or what is the rating of your incoming breaker?

35mm cable, do you know if it's copper or aluminium?

Rating of the water heater, air cons?

The water heater that is causing the problems is if I remember correctly 8 kw and the air con is 10 amp inverter the bore pump according to the control box draws 11amp at 200v with the bore pump and the air con running I am getting 207v at the meter I cannot see the end of the cables to see if it is copper or Ali is there any wording on the cable that would tell me what the cable is made of the meter states that it is 30/100amp I will have to wait till later to use the hot water heater to see how much it drops the voltage (need to water plants at the moment

It certainly looks like a supply issue. Are you checking the voltage where the supply enters the house? If you can access, also check the voltage at the meter.

What size meter do you have (5/15, 15/45, 30/100)?

How far from the meter is your house?

Can you check the size of the cables from your meter to the house.

I have a 30amp supply and the meter is in front of the house about 20 meters from the consumer board I cannot check from the meter because it has a seal on it the wires to the meter are each 35sq/mm

I have a bore hole pump connected to a control unit which keeps cutting out mostly in the evening I have done a couple of voltage checks and find the with the pump running I get about 210 volts to the supply connections but if I turn one of the air con units on it drops to 200v and if I run some hot water (kw heater) the voltage drops to 177v all the time the amps being drawn increase which cuts out the pump what I need to confirm is if it is a supply problem or an in house problem

On all three of my air con units the installer earth them separately with an earth stake one should be well earthed because they went through a water pipe when fitting the earthing stake

The obvious advantage of having an elevated water tank is that you have all that water in reserve for when the power drops. I have 2 tanks @1,500 lt ea and can get me thru a couple of days or more if necessary. You still need a pump of course and if want high pressure, valve it to pump or gravity.

Gravity is the most consistant power we have.....why not use it??

That was the idea of having a tank I have a 12000 ltr tank the idea was to be able to water the land incase of us having trouble with the pump it would give us time to have to old pump repaired or replaced it seems to defeat the object to have to have another pump but if I have to I will but I am trying to make sure there is no problem with the piping first there seems to be a lot of weight water to get very little pressure

What I still cannot understand is that in the UK there are not many houses with a tank 20 meters in the air and with the loft tanks you still get quite a good shower

Yes, you can still get a rain shower off an overhead tank as seen in video footage of field showers of Desert Storm. But those are 1-inch dia. pipe tap off from the overhead tanks.

Your shower heaters or bath mixers are tapping off at 1/2-inch dia. - a quarter of the flow volume.

But the pipe size in the UK 1/2 inch dia and no problem

In post #18 you said: My last house that was built in 1980 had a tank and a shower although the pressure was not the best it was OK in this house if we had of had a bath installed I think that I would of had to run the water for about 2 hrs to fill a bath

You are contradicting yourself here.

Just go and buy and install the aforementioned Mistubishi pump or similar and you'll be much happier.

Sorry when I said this house I meant the one in Thailand that I am having the problem within the UK I could fill a bath in about 5 mins

What I still cannot understand is that in the UK there are not many houses with a tank 20 meters in the air and with the loft tanks you still get quite a good shower

Yes, you can still get a rain shower off an overhead tank as seen in video footage of field showers of Desert Storm. But those are 1-inch dia. pipe tap off from the overhead tanks.

Your shower heaters or bath mixers are tapping off at 1/2-inch dia. - a quarter of the flow volume.

But the pipe size in the UK 1/2 inch dia and no problem

I think that you will find that in a lot of installations only the kitchen sink outside taps and the tank are feed by the rising main the rest of house is feed from the tank

No arguments, our 1920s house was tank storage for all cold water, but we had no shower. Our 80's vintage house had all the cold off the rising main and an on-demand gas heater, only tank was the header for the central heating.

My last house that was built in 1980 had a tank and a shower although the pressure was not the best it was OK in this house if we had of had a bath installed I think that I would of had to run the water for about 2 hrs to fill a bath

The water is pumped from a bore hole and the tank does fill OK What I still cannot understand is that in the UK there are not many houses with a tank 20 meters in the air and with the loft tanks you still get quite a good shower

UK showers are usually run straight off the rising main, if not they're pumped (Power Shower).

I think that you will find that in a lot of installations only the kitchen sink outside taps and the tank are feed by the rising main the rest of house is feed from the tank

Indirect cold water system. Water comes into house via rising main, is branched off to feed at least one tap (in this case the kitchen and outside tap. It also feeds the boiler next to the sink) and then continues to a storage tank in the loft. From here it is distributed to the other taps in the house. Overflow pipes are marked O. The position of stopcocks etc is marked on the diagram below which also shows the hot water path. taken from http://www.diydoctor.org.uk/projects/Cold%...r%20systems.htm

The problem is the local water pressure from the MWA isn't sufficient enough to fill the tank. 2-3 meters and their isn't enough pressure to fill the tank. At 5 meters not mentioning 20 meters you will need a pump to fill the tank. Most 100 - 150 watt motors only have a head pressure of about 11 meters.

The water is pumped from a bore hole and the tank does fill OK What I still cannot understand is that in the UK there are not many houses with a tank 20 meters in the air and with the loft tanks you still get quite a good shower

Thanks for your help so far but with the tank 5 meters height surely I should still get a good flow of water in one shower I have to run around to get wet and in the kitchen it takes a long time to fill the sink if I felt sure that there was not problem with the plumbing I would buy a pump

You will not be covered by the NHS

For "decent" pressure, buy an on-demand pump.

What is the best pump to buy and at what cost

I must explain we have a water tank at about 5 meters height and I thought that I should get a decent shower with that but the pressure in the house seems not to be as good as in the UK where the tanks used to be in the loft less than 2 meters above the shower height it is a new house build and I am worried that there is a problem with the pipework so if I fit a pump I could make any problems worse

20 meters gives you 2,0 bar. Normal on demand pressure pump is 2,0 -2,5 bar.

That seems very height in the UK most tanks are in the loft of the house and I seem to remember that I got a reasonable shower with that when I was there

On a single storey house what height should a water tank have to be to get good pressure of water for a decent shower

Just wondering - does the 'farang' doing voluntary work have a valid work-permit?

I would think so. If it is Barry Kenyon then he is the Honorary British Consul in Pattaya and has been for many years.

If it was the man I see on Monday it was not Barry Kenyon the man I see was very polite he took my paperwork out of my envelop checked it and gave me a number and then apologised for not putting it back they were very busy I have seen this farang nearly every time I have been to Immigration in the last 12 months

I think that what happened is this - you cannot get an extension of stay for any reason without holding a visa. You entered with 30 day visa exempt. Therefore, you needed a visa, and they have changed your arrival status from visa - free to non-immigrant O. Now you can legally seek an extension of stay ( within the last 30 days of your current permission).

You are lucky as I made the same enquiry at Jomtien Immigration Office and was told that it is only possible to convert from 30 day exempt entry to non-immigrant O at Bangkok Immigration.

I got an retirement extension from a tourist visa on one visit but it seems they are trying to confirm the permanent residence arrangements now because on my renewal I was asked for a copy of my rental agreement which I was not asked for when I first got my extension a TOT bill was enough then

Just an update I went today to collect my passport with an agreement after many problems getting one (tried to get the landlady to change the agreement to my name at the same time telling her that we were leaving at the end of next month) went to the table to collect my passport the lady that told me that I needed the agreement was busy on the floor sorting out her food she told another lady to give me my passport which she did and no mention of needing a copy of the agreement

I give them a phone bill. It works.

I gave them a phone bill but it did not work still asked for the rental agreement the phone bill was OK when I first got my extension last year

I went today and I have been asked to provide a copy of our rental agreement I might have a problem there because it is in my ladies name I might just take a chance and take my TOT bill with me as well that is in my name anybody have any other suggestions

passport, photo, fee of 1,900 baht, proof of income of at least 65,000 a month (embassy letter if from abroad, tax papers if from within Thailand) OR bankbook with at least 800,000 for 2 months and letter from the bank confirming that.

Might also need some proof of residence.

You can apply early, the extension will start from the date your current permission to stay ends. So you don't lose any days.

Thanks Mario do I need to copy anything and you do not mention any forms to fill in which I find unusual for Immigration

Need to get my retirement extension done can someone give me a list of requirement for Pattaya I did try to do a search but could not find anything about this although I know there is has been plenty said