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hi steveb :

have done the regular pharma products for "prostate shrinking" and found the side effects unacceptable.

the worst: loss of libido ! just too scary ! -- so tried many "herbal supps" and found one that's doing the job.

google: "Prostate Magic" manuf.: Golden Dog inc. Carson City, Nevada and talk to Plato Rosinke.

( if this info is not allowed - mod. pls delete ) then you can PM me.

I am using 2 caps AM bef. bfst and 2 caps PM bef. sleepng. also learn about prostate massage/milking from

Martin Stonehaven ( from U.K. ) - this combination has helped me alot. Check also your "blood sugar" and

if its high and you have to urinate more than 2 times nightly - better take care of this also.

PM me for capsules I am taking for lowering blood sugar & dietary regiments. Good luck.

ps: whatever you decide : NO SURGERY , you'll be incontinent (using diapers) for the rest of your life !

plus : for sure IMPOTENT !

Not quite true I had my prostate removed I am continent (not used any protection after one week) and yes while I am impotent at 65 it is not that big a problem and I do not suffer from any sexual problems

There is no doubt if your hire a Thai builder from a village, you will get it done cheaper.

But has he built quality houses for farangs before, have you seen any of them & spoken to those guys?

For 10,000 bht sqm, your going to get very cheap quality, to get any thing decent your looking at 13,000 bht sqm ++. But that wont be top quality either.

Although what your building does sounds like something very simple

I use to work in the construction industry in Pattaya until quite recently, so i am very well aware of building costs, & quality around here.

I can't speak for prices in Chang Mai though.

For house only I am paying 10,000B sq mtr not including kitchen and hot water if required grade "A" finish as many electrical points that I want and earthed the builder as done everything that I have required and changed things that I have not been happy with I pay on work completed the only real problem I have is that he is slow I see 2 farang houses that he built before I decided to use him

err 300kbht is £6000, shipping is £600, cost of units max £900, (but that price is retail from a mate) so you can see i hope why i asked the original question with regards to inport tax for a thai returning with personal effects

Micky

Are you quoting like for like kitchens what does the 300000B cover is it just for units only if so it must be a very big kitchen or very expensive one I have been quoted for a medium sized kitchen 380000B but that included everything Hob, Sink, Granite, Lights, Extractor fan and fitting and that was from an expensive store it was also for solid oak doors

My lady many years ago sold her house and land but kept the blue book which meant that she kept the address (so I am told) now that I have brought her some land and building a house on it she says that she can use her old address for the new house

Even if you can read the title deed its only as good as when it was issued.

Only the land office can confirm the current details (including encumbrances) for a title.

Beyond that you may also wish to satisfy yourself as to what land the title precisely relates to.

Also you may wish to investigate what restrictions on use there may be on that plot which may not apply to even its very next neighbour.

Etc., etc., etc.

The scale of what dilligence you feel is 'due' is entirely up to you.

However sub divisions into 10 or more plots sometimes require more hoops to be jumped through which may apply even where the other split to 9 was in the past so this may be an additional issue.

I am going to have to gamble a bit because the deeds are in the hands of the bank so I am going to have lend the sister the money to get them released as for splitting the plot up I have no intention of doing this I am more incline to bring the 9 plots into 1 again there are only 2 children involved so if I can sort them out into 2 plots that will be OK for us

Sounds like the land you already have is full chanote, but we arent talking about what you have, we are talking about what you intend to buy.

What title deeds does the land you intend to buy have?

Do you know what Sor Por Kor 4-01 is?

Do you know what Nor Sor 3 is?

How do you know the land you are about to buy has no restrictions on it?

Why would you want to buy land the family already own?

The answer to most of your questions are I do not know

The story is the father owned the land 11 Rai he split it up into 4 plots with 1 Rai left over and gave 1 plot each to his daughters the plot we have now was sold by 1 of his daughter and split up by the new owner his daughter in the next plot to us is in money problems since her husband was disabled by an accident so to get out of debt she offered the land to us the bank has the deeds at the moment so I cannot see them all the plots are marked up and has numbered disc on it I was guessing that the plot that we are on was OK to be split up and the original 11 Rai of land was split up so it would be OK to spilt the new plot up but I will see

I want to buy the land so that we can leave some land for our children

I am also buying 1 Rai from the Father which is next to the land that we are buying and has no money owed on it so I should be able to see the deeds on his land which might give me an idea of what deeds the plot I am buying has because they were all split up at the same time

I must add that it is not for a lot of money and I have taken note of a recommendation of a poster here about not investing any more than I can afford to lose

Before persuing any further, I would check to see what type of title deed this land has, and what is written on the back of the title deed.

Why what do I have to worry about I have the title deeds to my plot which had already been split up into 8 smaller plots by the last owner which means that I have 9 deeds all have a red phoenix on the top to add a bit more detail both plots were brought at the same time by the family 14 years ago (guessing what the deeds say ) but my present plot was sold about 5 years ago and we purchased it 18 months ago can you tell me what I have to be careful about

Very easy.

Get the plot 'cut' at the Land Office. If it's not chanote title, may as well get it upgraded at the same time. They'll send surveyors out to mark the new boundaries, and the LO will (eventually!) create 2 new title deeds, one for your bit, and a new one for the remaining bit. There wil be fees etc involved, but not important of you want the land.

Thanks for the help any idea how long this will take yes I know TIT but are we talking weeks, months or years

Part of the plot next to ours is for sale the owner wants to keep half a Rai of a two and half Rai plot what would the procedure be to buying this land

Hi Sheryl

Did you have any luck with the granite shop it seems like I might need some myself my builder seems to think that having the house front finished in granite could be a good idea until he finds out the price but I will need some for the tops in the bathrooms anyway Colin

Thanks Sheryl. Since he's one of the providers that my BCBS insurance will pay for, I will pay him a visit.

Maybe I'll see ya around PB some day, look for the old guy on a blue Vespa.

Ahh anonther TV member in Prachinburi! I think that brings us to a grand total of...three???

I'm the middle aged lady in the beat up old white Sunny Nissan, often with a Chihuahua in tow.

Be there soon if the builder ever finishes the house he as finally started to move himself after he was told that I was thinking of stopping the build and staying in Pattaya

Sheryl not sure that I have found the answer to the electrician problem yet they do have a strange way of working (or not working which ever the case)

On Suwannason Road (33), about 2km's before the Prachinburi turnoff after coming out of Nakon Nayok on the RHS (Pak Phli), there is a shop that sells many types of stone, including granite, of varying qualities.

Easy to see as you are driving past.

I have bought off them on many occasions, they will come and do all the installation for you as well.

Google map.Here.

Great! Thanks as I would have tried in the other direction on 33 first. Saves me some useless driving!

Offset, thanks too. Sounds like your house construction is proceeding on lines similar to what I experienced. My contractor and I were n ot on speaking terms by the end.

It is not that bad time scale is not that important to me I will not be moving till March/April and I am paying him in arrears so I really am not to worried I was implying that understanding each other causes a problem when I got him to understand what I was trying to ask he gave me some directions which I think were the one already posted

I have not forgot about the electrician we have only got as far as the first fixings (fixing conduit and back plates) but the biulding is suposed to be finished in January we will see (I do not think so) but I must add anything that I did not like he has changed without any problems and one of them was major and not his fault

Just carried out a quick search on the Internet and came up with this one which I have been told is about 60kms away but I guess it depends where you are in Prachinburi

KHAOYAI - THACHANG MARBLE CO., LTD.

215 MOO 12, MOOSI, PAKCHONG, NAKORNRATCHASIMA 30310

Tel. 044361088 044365364

Fax 044365363

Hi Sheryl

I am hoping to see my builder tomorrow I will try to ask him if I can get him to understand the difference between granite and floor tiles and he turns up I think he will he wants some money

Ok thanks will check them out.

When checking them out try and go for one with big wheels it will help with the bad surfaces I brought one with small wheels and it is a bit of a pain but still usable

"I cannot understand where you are coming from 'very certain circumstances'"...

Rather than reading my post, you should have read the entire thread. Too, you've asked questions that aren't related to the discussion at hand. My use of the phrase was based on an incredibly uninformed post by someone else. He commented that prostate cancer only kills in "very certain circumstances". That's true: it only kills in the specific circumstance when someone dies. Extending that faulty line of reasoning, it would be safe to say: "don't worry breast cancer only kills those who die from breast cancer, don't worry pneumonia only kills those who die from pneumonia..."

The poster also mentioned that prostate was no big deal, because other things kill more people. Can you imagine this guy as an emergency room doctor? A guy comes in with a gunshot wound to the chest, and he'll tell the person, "Hey don't worry. More people die of heart disease than gunshot wounds to the chest."

Sorry my mistake yes I had read all the thread as it developed but that comment was made over a week ago and my memory is not as good as it used to be it might have been better for me if you had quoted the full post and not just put the comments in quotes

"Prostrate cancer is not life threatening, only in very certain circumstances,"

Sure, in the "very certain circumstance" that it kills. Approximately 40K men die in the US, every year, due to prostate cancer. That's a similar number to women that die of breast cancer. So, is breast cancer life-threatening? "Hey, only in very certain circumstances!"

Approximately 40K people are killed in the US, every year, due to road accidents.

So does that means that over twice as many men die of Prostate cancer as are killed on the road (just presuming that 50% of deaths are male and not counting children) is that number unimportant I suppose it is if you are not one of the ones killed

I cannot understand where you are coming from "very certain circumstances" normally means that they have not been tested early enough to get a cure PC is cure-able in most circumstances if found early but how do you do that other than having a PSA (not perfect by any means but at this time it is the only test) how many men would die of PC if there was no PSA testing done I guess I could of been one of them and still could be but I have a better chance now than if I had done nothing

You mentioned Breast Cancer how many ladies go for test and find no problems and how many the test shows something abnormal and they have a biopsy that comes back clear of cancer (more than you would think) but I do not see anywhere that says for ladies not to be screened

I said before that if you do not want to know do not have a PSA test taken but leave the option open to those that do

I do not think it is one of the biggest killers in the UK, i may be wrong, try smoke related deceases, yet nothing is said . there is more publicity from road deaths.

Sorry I missed the word cancer from my last post you are correct about smoking related death these are higher than PC which came second in cancer deaths with around 10200 deaths in the male population in 2007 you are also correct about road deaths there were a total 2964 deaths of all genders in 2007

.... The latest study to note that use of the prostate-specific antigen (PSA) test may be prompting men to get treatment that may not be effective or even necessary was published in the current issue of the Journal of the National Cancer Institute. The results support those of two previous studies from 2008. It seems that although high levels of PSA revealed on the blood screen can indicate the presence of prostate cancer, the test is not effective in predicting if treatment will be helpful. .....

That's what I read, too.

Anything to get you in there and run up a tab -- like a go-go bar in Nana Plaza.........

That is a bit flippant about one of the biggest killers of men in the UK until they find a better way of finding out if you have PC what should you do ignore it and hope that you are one of the men that do not get PC 1 in 6 men in the USA will get PC I will ask the question is it better to be over treated than under treated and do not forget no man is forced into having a PSA test done

Sheryl When I spoke to Dr Virol I got the impression that he only does Open surgery it was him that put me onto Dr Sittiporn Srinualad who carries out Both laparoscopic and robotic the only place that DR Sittiporn mentioned that he could do Robotics was at the Siriraj Hospital (Bumrungrad does not have a robotics machine) Laparoscopic he said he could do at the Bumrungrad and the estimates that I quoted earlier were given at the beginning of July I think Bayboys friend is looking at Robotic it is sold that it can help the nerve sparing because the magnification is far greater than the other two operations and it can also see round corners so to speak

Tolley There is a great debate in the USA (a lot of people say that it is being lead by the insurance companies to save money) about PSA readings the suggestion is that the PSA readings cannot tell you what grade cancer you have it can only tell that you might have cancer which requires a biopsy or two but my opinion is that I would rather have a couple of biopsies and be told that I most probably do not have cancer than not have a biopsy and be dead because when I had a biopsy it was to late I follow on a forum in the USA of which there are some men on there that have PC that are in there early 40s one man if I remember correctly is 37 you try telling them that they should not of had a PSA reading

Normally the dealer charges a deposit on the number plate to make sure it is returned and it can take upto 6 weeks to get it changed

Sorry for the delay in replying to various posters.

My Danish friend has been on holiday in Indonesia and I could only make contact with him yesterday.

Sheryl. yes another name for this operation is "nerve-sparing". It is a new procedure and has had success. The nerves surrounding the prostate are not cut as the prostate is removed, and so the patient MAY have a future sex life. Following the operation potency could be fully restored within 2 years. Also the patient may have to use "Vigara" to help achieve erections.The procedure is recomended for younger male patients.Older men would have difficulty in regaining potency.

LaoPo and Jackneilone. Being a new procedure and costly, the operation is not covered under Danish welfare/ insurance. One has to pay in full to have it done. In Denmark there is only one Doctor doing this, that he is aware of. It is at a private hospital in Jutland. The same Doctor also does this operation in London. Current cost a min. US$ 20,000. So my friend was interested to know if he could get it done here at a cheaper price.

Trust this clears your queries,

Thanks for your replies.

BAYBOY

I do not know where he got his info from but I think you will find that all doctors try for a "nerve sparing" operation or at least I hope they do there are a lot of people that have had their prostate removed and have their nerve spared and still have ED problems and there are some of us that have lost one nerve bundle and have no problem with ED I was OK for ED and Incontinence 3 months after my Open operation (which I lost one nerve bundle) and have been for a couple of months

I gave the rough prices of the only 3 operations carried out for prostatectomy that I have heard about in an earlier reply there are other procedures for treating prostate cancer but they are not surgery as such

If this is a new surgery I do not think that it is even carried out in the USA so I do not think that it would be done in Thailand I was not offered it in July before my operation

I was given an estimate for Open Prostatectomy from Dr Viroj at Bumrungrad of between 360000B and 38000B but it ended at 420000 due to the fact that I am a bleeder and extra blood and a Hematologist was on stand by during the operation never heard of 'Potency keeping binoculars operation' so I cannot help with that a Laperostomy (spelling) can be done at Bumrungrad but Dr Viroy does not do them the only hospital that does the Robotic Prostatectomy is the Siriraj Hospital I was told and the estimate I was given verbally was about 450000B

The best source for personal questions concerning medical policies is direct with the Broker you are using. If for some reason you are thinking of going direct, may we suggest you use the services of a Broker as they can help in many ways and cost no more.

As a Thai Visa member you can use the services of the Thai Visa Broker for impartial advice and help, please go Here

Well um..ive been trying to get hold of my broker (thaivisa insurance) to enquire if this clause is the norm or not but im not getting any feedback atm.

Has anyone heard of this kind of clause?

I need to get a check up before im covered for breast/cervix disease? This is normal?

Plus, im surprised that ALL conditions relating to the thyroid will not be covered. Of course i understand they dont wish to cover for pre-existing conditions, but it seems a bit extreme? Particularly when ive been stable for so long (with paperwork that can prove that).

Sorry, i havent had personal health care before, so this is all new to me. Advice is appreciated. Thanks.

Normally pre-existing conditions are not covered that includes anything related to that condition you could always ask if the year that you have been OK can be included in the 2 year waiting period and also ask if you will be covered then even though you are taking a hormone supplements (and get it in writing) my lady had to have a Mammogram and Pap smear test before they would cover her she is over 40 years of age so I guess that is normal I ended up dealing with LMG direct (I had other problems myself) at least that way you will know exactly what they want then I went back to the broker to take out the policy I also have another policy and that has the same 2 year waiting period

Make sure what you are getting before you take out the policy

I was at Bumrungrad yesterday Doctors fee 500B plus 150B about the same price as BPH