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"hiding the body for personal reasons."

Welcome to Bizarro world.

You'd expect the prosecution to test his personal reasons in court. Sorry I forgot TIT!

Do you really expect Indian tourists to be licensed?

If they cannot understand the safety brief then the rental company shouldn't let them out. However, TIT rules.

I have a beautiful young Isaan girl. If she asks for money she is usually content with a very small sum.

She tells me she loves me nearly every day; sometimes its because I have bought her something nice, but often it's just the simple things that trigger it, like a nighttime hug or pushing her on a swing.

Jennifer will be 5 in 10 days time. The detractors on here forget that an Isaan relationship is multidimensional

I hope you are her dad.

Below the belt!

Ballot boxes are always better than Bolshies or Black Shirts.

I thought g/box or tail rotor drive shaft, but the Mrs said Thai news reports mid air explosion. So if these reports are correct then maybe high tension wires or ordinance going off are among the many possibilities.

In cases like this I'd say time will tell, but incidentally I went to a Huey crash site in Surin months after it went in and I couldn't believe the stuff not collected for the crash investigators, so I have little faith in their investigators.

I'm surprised that Thailand has a statute of limitations for murder. Most countries do not, although in Japan it was 15 years, recently changed to 25 years.

How insane! Murder should never have any limitations, it's a capital crime and perpetrators of such should be hunted down no matter how long it takes to bring them to justice.

I also find it hard to believe that the insurance company failed to have a post mortem on her first husband, especially as the insurance was so recently taken out.

It is difficult and an honor to be a soldier for your own government. I salute their heroism ONLY.

Coincidentally, I am just reading the book Das Boot about a German submarine,. It is based on the true experience of one of the crew. It states that out of 40,000 German submariners, 30,000 did not survive. They apparently didn't think much of the maniac who led them into that war either. The British film "We dive at dawn" gives a stiff upper lip interpretation of submariners and in both the German and the British versions the horror of the threat of being sunk and running out of oxygen is vividly apparent. Anyone serving in submarines deserves being branded a hero whichever side he is fighting for. My father served on a Destroyer in the Atlantic during WW2 and he was one of the unsung heroes who was dragged into a conflict that most of them did not want.

In recent times my pal was on Conqueror and was attacked several times before getting the Belgrano, brave men all. The call of ones country to serve is strong even when others think the politic is wrong.

Heroism is justifiably apt.

There is no doubt that those U-boat crews were brave men. However, its hard to find empathy with an aggressor who's aim was to sink unarmed merchantmen (so many of them neutral), no matter how many submariners were lost or how incompetent their captain.

So we kicked the confession out of them, which they have incidentally re canted but we are still going to prosecute because of the perfect case we have against them. Can you say oxymoron? ??

Issued from a bunch of morons?

I am married to a thailady from Isaan.....I am a provider to the Isaan-region.....I have spent bog Money for many years, but...

will I get something back from Thailand ???? No....absolutely not !! Please give me a lengthy VISA without hassle....give me the right to own laand in my very own name.....PLEASE !!!

But we do have one year extensions or Multo O visas. Why do you want to own some farm land that has no much value or the family would not sell it. Important is for every Dollar you invest in Isaan you invest a Dollar in your name, be it a car, condo or whatsoever. We still can stuck a lot of money overseas.

I have 350,000 US$ stucked overseas which is only accessible to me. Even if I allowed to own land it wouldn't make a difference as I keep those funds offshore.

Its the governments lack of appreciation in making us jump through hoops every time that bugs so many foreigners.

Do they know that the EU is boycotting Russia?

More like Russia is boycotting EU products.

The US and EU sanctions have forced Russia to look around the world for a solution and Thailand have seen an opportunity to make some dosh. I hope the US and EU point out to Thailand that they are supporting a bunch of murdering bastards!

So by your standards, it is one country of murdering bastards sending to another.

Yes.

Very interesting.

These figures are huge!

I wonder what Isaan would be like without all this funding from Farangs?

Same, same, but different.'

During the world-wide colonial period, the foreign presence was also claimed to be so beneficial to those having their economies exploited. Later accounting of the impact on those populations and their economies wasn't quite as rosy as once proclaimed ... except for the haul made by those who were doing the exploiting. Most of the "beneficiaries" of that period have never recovered.

“History Would be Something Extraordinary, if Only it Were True” –Tolstoy

The Brits may well be guilty of milking under developed countries, but their legacy was always a decent infrastructure (railway, roads, pluming that actually worked and an agricultural system); it only takes someone like Robert Mugabe to <deleted> it up!

"He said that case needed to have substantial evidence as it is closely watched by people around the world."

more substantial than a dna match and confession?!

is that evidence not rock solid anymore then?

No, not when a couple of outside forces are going to sift through the bullshit from the RTP. They had a star witness who retracts, They had a sollicitor, they didn't have a sollicitor. They confessed, they retract. They were tortured and forced to do a re-enactment, There DNA wasn't a match, now it is. The bar boss got away from an island even though the island was locked down by the RTP, the island was never locked down by the RTP. A suspect does a runner and has not given DNA when DNA from a close blood relative will give a high percentage lead towards him. The RTP have a perfect case, no they don't; now its thrown back as imperfect. The PM thinks it's a great job, other world leaders do not, so he acuses tourists of improper dress and getting the poor Thai boys horny. No matter, the Thais never give a shit about anyone else anyway. QED, the poor sods are guilty.

'The police chief of Pha Ngan insisted there were no beatings and that the suspects had been represented by lawyers in accordance with Criminal Procedural Law"

So is he saying that there were lawyers present during the interrogation, because the National Police Chief said a while back that they didn't have lawyers at the interrogation because they never asked for lawyers. So once again conflicting qoutes from different police chiefs. You would think by now that these idiots could at least agree on some part of the lies they are telling.

Any defence barrister worth his salt must be licking their lips for this one! Oh sorry; I forgot this is Thailand, it's the needle for these poor boys!!

just one thing needs to be done otherwise it will not make any difference if the UK police are here or not

Number 1 - The UK police need to take their own DNA samples of the suspects to match it with the DNA found on the bodies which the UK police has.

Simple...and the uk police should be able to do this. They should also make a formal request to be able to do this...if refused then you know 100% that something is wrong. In the uk in DNA checks can be requested and independently done by any party if they request so. So stop them doing this would be sure sign of a cover up.

The tests here were not done independently.....the results were done independently but the samples came from the Thai police....plenty of time to frame, falsify evidence. The whole process needs to be done independently, simple as that.

That wont work if the bodies were sanitized before repatriation.

Anybody know for sure why this case is getting so much attention? The fact that the PM Cameron requested personally makes me that the victim's family must be very connected politically. I have never seen a murder of a farang get this much focus. But it does sound like the court case is pretty set in stone and they don't even say if any new evidence can be brought to the court by these investigators... Also thinking that maybe these investigators are already here secretly, not yet revealing themselves to the authority.

Well connected, really. They are not. The UK are responding to an outcry from social media.

Just imagine that if the British have DNA from ALL the relevant parties, and I believe they do, wait until after the "Trial" verdict.

The two Burmese are convicted....24 hours later the British reveal their findings! WAM BAM!!

I suspect that the bodies were thoroughly washed and cleaned out after the Thai's had taken their samples to deter any analysis back in the UK.

Where are the pics of their tortured bodies ?

The Burmese embassy officials confirmed the bruising on the two men was evidence of torture. I can't see how the Thai police would want pics to get out, can you?

I just talked with friend in USA who happens to be travel agent. She says arranged to rent house boat in Koh Tao. I suggested she hire some body guards. When I mentioned Koh Tao, she said "Where those two Burmese killed those British?". I proceeded to give her thumbnail of this sham. It seems to confirm once more that Americans don't really care about international news unless it has direct impact on USA. I asked if she could cancel that reservation. I don't want one satang going to that place until they come clean about this whole mess.

Keep the pressure on, then double it.

I once asked a collage lecturer from the mid west why americans paid little attention to the rest of the world, he replied "if you think thats bad I work in California and they pay no attention to anything outside their state!"

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He looks conscious in the photos.

True, you can actually hear him mumbling something as well.

IF, I had looked that old at age 50, I would have been tempted as well.

Insensitive or what? Not everyone's a George Clooney look alike! This poor chap needs help and understanding not derision,

In the full TIME article re CCTV: but is circumstantial at best.

In the USA, there have been murder convictions based upon circumstantial evidence when the body of the 'murder' victim has never been recovered.

Yes but slightly different circumstances... Those investigations probably were not shrouded in negligence, bribery, lying by officials, torture and incompetence

That this one is is only speculation. That will up to a judge. A Thai judge. In Thailand. Where a crime occurred in Thailand. Not in UK. Not in Myanmar. Thailand. Under Criminal Procedure Code of Thailand.

Torture aint speculation according to the Burmese officials!

The tax is reasonable. The largesse with which it is spent and the amount of corruption involved, is not.

At the higher end of the scale, aircraft carriers and submarine pens without submarines, at the lower end of the scale, three sets of traffic lights installed in my small village which have been flashing red lights only, since two weeks after they were installed more than a year ago.

The theory is good, the implementation is likely to simply mean more wasted money and more skim off the top. In other words, a bigger cess pool.

You own a small village! Taxman will love you!!

So much for a couple of guys in another thread giving kudos to the Thai police for shooting a guy in the hip, unlike police in "another country."

I hope the girl didn't get it in the spine to wind up paralyzed.

The guy got it where police are trained to shoot - at the largest target called the "center of mass" which is the torso. I don't know how the guy survived multiple shots to the upper body, although I recall a guy taking 17 shots and living because every shot missed a vital spot.

But with all of the main veins and arteries not to mention the heart, if this guy lives he got really lucky. The vagus nerve is the main highway of life, passing signals from the brain to the heart and other vital organs. Break the connection and the guy is gone.

So much for someone with such vast knowledge of the body's physiology being unable to read properly. The police didn't shoot them.

Maybe, maybe not. Men in brown can change pretty quick into men in black around these parts!

Would there not be some incentive for an officer to just falsely accuse a motorist of attempted bribe?

But seriously, 50 Baht? Thats actually insulting.

A quid's still a quid once they run out of money and the incentive is removed.