mokwit

The numbers of Afro Caribbean immigrants were not that large compared to the mass immigration starting in the Blair years.

Mass uncontrolled immigration from disparate cultures that changed our culture started with the Blair years. This is what we object to, not people from different countries being amongst us. Yes we had Irish and Afro Caribbean Immigration and Indian/Bangladeshi/Pakistani, before that huguenots and there were always some people from the four corners of the then Empire.

Obviously not a revisionist one, which will be the only ones available soon.

Absolute rubbish. It was not multicultural, we had a number of similar ethnic groups that melded into a homogeneous culture. Take a look at the names of the crews of an Elizabethan ship for example - all identifiably English names. If we start history from the Blair years with its MASS immigration, maybe, prior to that there were Bangladeshi communities in the East End and primarily Pakistani in northern towns who were brought in after WW2 in the hope of keeping the textile industry competitive, but we were NOT multicultural. Just another revisionist lie of the Left.

This applies to Harehill and Whitechapel too? According to 2tierKier this is not the case, absolute <deleted> crickets from him when his Muslim voter base was rioting.

It is because of attitudes like this that we have the problem.

Sounds a bit Soviet. first we are told that prisoners including grooming gang members are being released early because of overcrowding, but then we find there is a surplus of prison places when desired. the REAL thing here is that Nobody has been tried, found guilty or sentenced yet, kinda makes you concerned about justice if they are already reserving prison spaces. So they caused a confrontation that required police intervention but of course this was done peacefully by the Left but thuggism on the other side [sarcasm] Is this the same Cooper who held up a #refugeeswelcome sign - might that not have done something to encourage the boats?

Here we have the Od Thermae syndrome. Standing there looking at the people around you and thinking what dregs of humanity they are without realising you are appearing in other people look around as the dregs of humanity, somehow people hang around in bars in Pattaya and Bangkok but somehow they themselves are like a white lotus coming forth pure and white from filth as per the Bhuddist image. Not calling people who go to bars filth, but you know the point I am making.

No I don't, and especially not with 2tierKier in charge - or at least carrying out policy. If there is one person who would throw gasoline on the fire it is him, as he has effectively already shown. Again, check out the type of people posting on X/twitter under hashtag #rightwingthugs who are offended by his profiling. You responded to my point about how background doesn't entirely eliminate the possibility. My point is that In isolation I would say that with that background that it would be very unlikely that he was a Islamic extremist, but once you add in the factor of a knife attack that resembles Islamic extremist attacks you cannot be so sure. The point I am making is with that factored in you cannot definitively claim that he could not possibly be an Islamic extremist JUST because of his background. It may be NOTHING to do with any kind of religion or doctrine and we may never know, it could genuinely be mental illness, but who normally does this kind of frenzied knife attack? CoE? Roman Catholics? Buddhists? Hindus - I am not sure we can name many perpetrator from these religious groups of this type of frenzied knife attacks but there are multiple instances from one particular group, aren't there?. Against that backdrop it is not unreasonable to not immediately eliminate this as a motive.

Good point, they use handed down tactics all the time, but when it is their own they can't see it, the case in point them not understanding that the media shows you what it wants to see, hence our bafflement with this tired and tedious posting of links to "trusted" sources.

I meant individual members, meaning not you and me, but people can judge for themselves.

Who normally does this kind of frenzied knife attack? CoE? Roman Catholics? Buddhists? Hindus - I am not sure we can name many perpetrator from these religious groups of this type of frenzied knife attacks but there are multiple instances from one particular group, arent't there?. So how is this my deeply ingrained bias when the FACTS are clear? i think it is YOUR bias that has been put in plain sight.

Considering how Lefties are the majority on here a response count doesn't really mean anything, it just probably means there are more Lefties than normal people on this board thread. I am sure your fellow lefties will rally round and give your post a positive response.

In isolation I would say that with that background that it would be very unlikely that he was a Islamic extremist, but once you add in the factor of a knife attack that resembles Islamic extremist attacks you cannot be so sure. The point I am making is with that factored in you cannot definitively claim that he could not possibly be an Islamic extremist because of his background.

Speaking of this as a general principle* our resident Lefties are completely unable to grasp this, not only do they not understand how propaganda works they do not even know it is propaganda. *we can't rule out in this case that MAYBE there actually is not very much to see.

Re: 'Unfortunately precedent has been set that in order for people to be listened to and get what they want then rioting is the way as was demonstrated in the BLM riots and the Harehills riots more recently.' I don't see that as 'excusing and justifying' rioting at all, let alone a 'prime example' I see it as condemnation of governments and authorities who flat out refuse to listen to the population and for example their displeasure at what is being unwelcome forced upon them, or Government inaction. I am unable to understand how you came to the interpretation that you did that he was 'excusing and justifying these riots' unless looking through a very biased and jaundiced lens. Perhaps we should let the board judge for itself.

I stated: 'it could be that there is no evidence whatsoever of an Islamic extremist motive', however, It is not an unreasonable to not yet rule out an Islamic motive when there have been so many random knife attacks on people by Islamic extremists. It seems the Police have not ruled out terrorism as a motive yet or there would be a statement to this effect wouldn't there? (against a background of releasing a 17 year olds non Islamic name to quell speculation). Got it?, the Police have obviously not yet ruled out terrorist - normally they are very quick to claim no terrorist motive when they can. The BBC are stating 'The 17-year-old, who was born to Rwandan parents in Cardiff and moved to the Southport area in 2013, has no known links to Islam.',. While it may be true that none are known, it is a little too early to state that until we have PROACTIVE confirmation from the police that there was no terrorist motive bearing in mind the similarity with other terrorist attacks. A silence on this issue will not quell suspicions, in fact it would likely flame them. Re: 'Circular logic and baseless arguments are you thing I see'. Perhaps you can give the board some examples of how 'baseless' and 'circular', it is after all the rest of the board NOT YOU that I post with in mind, lest others on the board think you are unable to/just employing tactics. You would be surprised at the friendly interactions I have with Muslims, a Muslim is someone born into the Muslim faith and I certainly do not automatically ascribe Islamic extremism or Islamism to them. We do however have interpretations of the Quran and Hadithes that some within Islam undeniably interpret as a call to violent Jihad.

oh, an insult. Are you a bot or a human who just got turned chipped? I used to see this term hurled around in the comments section of The Guardian where the Left exercised the license to hate that has been given them Please explain the term 'swivelled eyed loon'. What is 'swivel eyed' alluding to - is this condition found only on people to the right of the divide? If so one assumes it can't be some kind of medical disorder ? As for Cardiff, British Citizen, brought up Christian, this would be to deny that there are any British born adult converts to Islam. It seems that a far greater percentage of these people are Islamic extremists.

Really, as a stickler for everything being supported by links lease show who the people were who were 'excusing and justifying these riots' and how they were unequivocally 'excusing and justifying these riots'. Saying 'same people' indicates you must have specific identifiable examples of these people. Provide examples. I'm waiting.

The Judge has stated that the purpose was to stop speculation - the suspect not having an Islamic name allowed the release of the name to serve a purpose. His motive was clearly pragmatism over principle and while it could be that there is no evidence whatsoever of an Islamic extremist motive, if there was it would be pragmatic (and also disingenuous) to withhold that information. Against a backdrop of the authorities repeatedly downplaying Islamic extremist motives or not naming suspects or referring to immigrants (not apply in this case) as a local man or by the name of the town in which he lived, such a suspicion is not unreasonable. So, I just don't feel we can be '100% sure that if motivation identified it will be reported'. In fact rather, it would be expected that if there was NO evidence of Islamic involvement that would have been reported, although I think it is a fair assumption that it may be too early following his arrest to unequivocally state that there was no Islamic extremist motive.

It's probably because they/we wouldn't have though it was necessary to come out and publicly condemn riots as obviously normal people condemn riots, rather that we/they would have though it unnecessary as most normal people condemn riots, clearly we/they don't all understand the extent to which you have us 'boxed and labelled', if we don't support mass immigration etc then we are obviously supporters of riots according to the 'one size fits all' template that the Left and you and the cadre of hard core Lefties on this board apply. An alternative explanation might be that they are holding back for 2tierKier to condemn riots, he condemned one that suited his political purposes but did not condemn 2 others, namely Harehill and Whitechapel, Were the people orchestrating these riots not thugs? If they are thugs then we have to surely NAME what kind of thugs they are, if we are calling other thugs 'right wing thugs'. All this would require just a bit too much machinations and backfklips/fancy footwork, wouldn't it, as the hypocrisy is glaring.. I am for one AMAZED that the Prime Minister did not condemn these riots - why? Were they somehow a different kind of riot, were the cars set on fore with stage fire?

It is not us who are the brain dead, we argue our points, it is the people who just smear and never engage in debate because they can't who are clearly the intellectually challenged ones. Your post proves this, just an insult. That's it. Just another typical Leftie name calling. Feel free to counter my point above, if you can. Explain the basis for 'lowlifes'. Define 'lowlife 'What is your supporting arguments for this? Do you have any idea how pathetic you come across as to a normal person?

I always include the TM30 even though I have never seen it specified as a requirement for postal notification because they might change the rule between me posting and them receiving it/it might be processed by an IO who invents their own rules.

There's a hashtag trending on x/twitter called #farrightthugsunite our resident political commissars should get on over there and see what kind of people they are.

Comedy has defined limits and if a comedian oversteps them it doesn't sit well with the audience, unfortunately there is now a "opinion corridor" that the Left tries to force on the population. Yes it has a name because it is a tactic and tactics have names.