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Only if you remit your German pension to Thailand. Possibly you have no choice and need to bring that pension income into Thailand ASAP for living expenses. But if you have a lot of pre 1-Jan-2024 income/savings, you could bring that savings money into Thailand instead. That is exempt tax. Only when the amount of pre-1-Jan-2024 money runs out will you then need to bring that post 31-Dec-2023 German pension into Thailand, and yes, at that time, you may be required to pay Thai tax on it.

From that link I note: "Patcha explained that some expats were not required to obtain a Thai tax identification number or fill in a tax return. These were foreigners present in Thailand for less than 180 days in the calendar year 2024, those who had not transmitted cash from abroad, those who had transferred only income they had earned up to 31 December 2023 and holders of the 10-year Long Term Residence (LTR) Visa." ... That supports the view of some that associated foreugn income for those quoted cases that the income ftom those cases are not assessable and are nominally not to be used as justification for a tax ID. .. I speculate here that perhaps this may still be under discussion internal to the Thai RD.

That pretty much rules out the WGC for you then, as it requires a $500K US$ equiv investment in Thailand That is part of the point of setting up an offshore company located in a legal tax haven. Dependent on where one resides, income from such a LEGAL offshore company might be taxable, or might not be taxable. If on an LTR-WP, or LTR-WGC, or LTR-WFTP visa, not taxable. But if not on those Thai visas, then if a Thai tax resident would likely need to pay Thai tax from the offshore company income (that you pay yourself) which is remitted to Thailand. There would likely also be no DTA (Double Tax Agreement) for such a case. For the year during the setup of the company (and associated 1st year of dividend payments) prior to going for an LTR-visa, I assume one would stay in no country long enough to be a tax resident. And then when a Thai tax resident the Thai LTR-WP visa would help one legally optimise/minimize their tax situation. Indeed - but a lot of what we read about in the press were in essence cases of illegal tax avoidance schemes using an offshore company. There are perfectly legal ways to use such an offshore company, dependent on the laws of the country where one resides. ie follow the laws of the country where one resides. If you are age 50 or older, and if you can provide a formal tracking of regular income (via your own company) then the LTR-Wealthy Pensioner may be the best visa for you. Edit : and if you are not 50 ... then simply travel ,and spend no more than 5 months in each country. My experience (in my 70s) is it is far easier to travel when one is in their 30s and 40s than it is when in one's 70s. .

Any chance to setup a small company where you are the only employee (ie both CEO and Treasurer and Secretary). Then hold an annual meeting in which you declare a dividend will be provided to the only employee (you). Document this officially in the annual meeting minutes. Pay yourself regularly (every month) the dividend amount, depositing it in your bank account. Your company can obtain this amount of money for the dividend payment by an appropriate conversion of part of your crypto currency to cash for the monthly dividend. Likely you would need ?? one year record of the regular dividend deposits into your foreign bank account, which, together with the annual meeting minutes, possibly could satisfy BoI ? I am just speculating. I know a few decades ago I once had a BVI (British Virgin Islands) company and a requirement to keep that company (in addition to the small annual fee) was I had to have an official meeting every year, with official minutes of the meeting, and send those minutes to the organization which setup various BVI companies (such as mine). ... So this IS all above board and legitimate if done properly (ie done legally) - paying taxes if and where required, of course (and don't pay where not required).

That will be interesting if such were to transpire (and the $80k minimum lowered for LTR-WP). I went the $40k US$ equivalent income + investment (in Thailand route) using my Thailand condo purchase + 2-million Thai Baht in Thai government bonds to meet the $250K US$ equivalent investment requirement. However for my year-2028 reproof of finances point, I have already started the restructuring of my finances to reach the higher $80K US$ equiv income (so that I don't need to repurchase another 2-million THB in Thai government bonds). I will watch this with interest, although likely by the time such is announced, I will have already financially restructured. The restructuring is no big deal - other than takes a small amount of effort to change how funds are setup. Precision is needed of course when dealing with money, so I do need to be careful when doing such.

I believe the easing you are thinking of is for the Wealthy Global Citizen, which is a different category from the Wealthy Pensioner category. I don't believe that there was any change to the Wealthy Pensioner category. There has been a lot of speculation on this topic, and time will likely tell whose speculation is closest to the truth. My speculation is for the LTR WP, WGC, and WFTP ( ?) Visas that all foreign sourced income remitted to Thailand will be tax free in Thailand regardless as to which year the income earned.

Yes, agree. One approach could be to come to Thailand in 2025 with type-O visa (or visa exempt and apply for a type-O). Open a Thai bank account. For that first year be certain to spend less than 180 days in Thailand (such that one is a non-resident for tax purposes for that 1st year). But as a non-resident in 2025 bring a lot of money into Thailand from one's year 2025 income (as much as possible). It won't be taxable in Thailand as a non-resident to Thailand. And then in 2026 to 2029 (or later) if one then spends >180 days in Thailand, only bring in money saved from before 1-Jan-2024. That should legally minimize one's tax exposure to Thailand for a number of years (if one has lots of savings from before 1-Jan-2024). Of course one will still pay VAT on all Thailand purchases.

Some time back (6 months ago or so ?? ) I purchased a very small mutual fund via Kaskikorn Bank. They had me fill in some form that reminded me of a W8BEN (intend I think to satisfy USA requirements) ... It may have been a W8BEN. I can't recall offhand. Its not a big thing for me as do try my best to follow tax regulations (and I also try my best to legally manage my taxation exposure).

Yes for certain, From an LTR-WP visa holder's perspective, its a great visa.

Where is 'here' ? Definitely not in Phuket where both rents and property prices have skyrocketed. I believe it all depends on location.

Thailand is not that desperate yet IMHO. I don't know the actual statistics, but I wager the majority of the unsold condos are Thai freehold. If I am correct, and if Thailand really wanted to help sell unsold condos, they would change the condo foreign freehold ratio, allowing foreigners to own more than only 49% of the units. Say increase it to 60% max. They could at the same time add a clause that the 'combined vote ratio' of foreign freehold units is not exceed 49%. Which would mean in an annual meeting, a foreigner's vote would count a bit less than that of a Thai person. While that sounds ugly, in my experience the majority of those who actually show up and vote at a condo Annual General Meeting (AGM) tend to be foreigners (although that may only be the case for the high end luxury condo market). However while there has been some talk, I would also wager there will be no change to the allowed foreign-freehold ratio.

Its right on the main LTR Visa page of BoI : https://ltr.boi.go.th/ Keep an eye on the 'boxes' on the right of that page that slide in and out. What you might also find of interest is user Pib's speculation on this, having tracked the statistics since LTR vis inception (I believe) :

The LTR Wealthy Pensioner is thou, still the largest LTR visa category (as of end-Nov-2024), with 30.1% of LTR Visa Qualifications approve being of the LTR Wealthy Pensioner category. .

i suspect you can change during the process. Further, i suspect BoI may even communicate back to you of a potential issue with your passport expiry date, and request that you renew such. Again , a phone call to BoI might help you come up with the optimal way forward.

If it were me, I would apply now for LTR visa. In parallel work now to renew health insurance for 1-more year and get required health insurance documentation/letter. Again, I hope someone chimes in and copies text of letter (from health insurance company) that worked for them. You can then send that text to health insurance company (after agreeing for continued coverage to April-2026) and provide that to BOI. Surely you can start that health insurance detail now. Ideally you wish to obtain LTR visa BEFORE May-2025, where if you have all else sorted this month or by February-2025, that should IMHO be doable. Also , I think some nationalities, if requested, will allow one to obtain a passport renewal as much as 1-year before expiry. You could check with your local consulate/embassy, and ask them if such is possible (be certain to explain to them why you need such early).

One further thought (and my apologies if you already considered this and it was rejected), ... is there any chance (assuming you wish to keep your current health insurance provider) that you may wish to contact your health insurance provider now, and see if they are willing to extend your health insurance now for the following year, (to bring it to April-2026)? And another thought, it is quite possible that BoI will want proof of your health insurance that is not in a form that your health insurance provider will nominally provide. I encountered that, and I gave up with trying to use my health insurance company as proof, and I went the $100k US$ equivalent in a savings account. .... I learned subsequently that some were able to tell their health insurance company precisely what was needed to be stated (in a one page letter) and that sufficed to satisfy BoI. I don't know the exact content of the Health Insurance company letter that worked - and my hope is that some day some who went this route will copy and paste the relevant text from such a successful health insurance letter, and post it here. This could be relevant for me also, in 2028, when I go for my 5-year re-proof of finances/insurance for my LTR-WP visa.

Further to your point (to which I agree), BoI also setup the LTR-WP requirements such that if one did not want to show all their income (to meet the $80k US$ equiv) to meet the annual requirement, instead one could show only $40K US$ annual income equivalent instead, together with a $250K US$ equiv investment in Thailand (where the past purchase of one's Thailand condo met that criteria - as long as one still owned the condo).

I recommend you phone BoI and ask. My speculation is that such will be an issue, and it may add a few extra months to your application approval time, while BoI wait for you to renew your health insurance for another year. .

Yes - that is true for some rental car companies in my experience. A couple of years ago, in Northern Ireland, I showed up at the rental car company to pick up my rental car. I passed them my Wise debit card and they immediately handed it back, and stated I needed to pass them a credit card instead (they would not accept a debit card). (Then it was a mad scramble to dig out a credit card and further try to remember my credit card transaction 'authorization' code).

Yes. Phone call is best. I also sent an email (before phoning) and I also received no email reply. But a phone call worked.

Initially when I was on a Type-OA visa in Phuket, I used Bangkok Bank for my 800k proof. My recollection is it would take a week to get the twelve month statement (together with accompanying letter). The very day I received notice from Bangkok Bank that the statement/letter were available, I would rush to the Bank, pick up both (and have my Bank Book updated) and then rush to Phuket immigration to apply for my extension. This was often difficult as it might be the afternoon when I found out the statement was ready to pickup. In those days, I recall Phuket immigration would accept one day old paperwork. I believe that has changed now and they want same day. So I switched to Kasikorn bank for my 800k proof. In that case I would show up at Kasikorn about 5-minutes before they opened in the morning and withdraw a trivial amount from the ATM outside the bank. When the bank doors opened, I would go inside the bank and within 10 minutes or so obtain the annual statement, the certifying letter, and get my bank book updated (with the day's ATM transaction showing, and all balance figures matched). Then I rushed off to Phuket immigration as it was still early in the morning. There are photocopy facilities for a trivial cost at Phuket immigration. Still, I found the precise timing needed every year a bit of a pain, which was part of the motivating factor for me to go for the LTR visa.

One good thing about BoI is they have personnel who speak English and who can and who are agreeable to answering questions. So you could also phone BoI and ask them this very question, before you spend any time doing the application for the LTR visa. For example, I applied for the LTR-WP visa when it was still relatively new ... At that time, on this forum, there was debate whether only a new condo purchase could be acceptable for the $250k investment in Thailand, or whether an older condo purchase (from 7 years prior) would be acceptable for $250k investment. There we some on this forum strongly claiming a previous condo purchase would not be accepted - and some saying the opposite. ... You know what its like. ... The typical Asian Forum Now debate. < sigh > So my wife and I simply phoned BoI and obtained the direct answer from them. Hence for your question, if unclear, don't hesitate to phone BoI.

Could be for Switzerland. I applied such a qualification in my post that there could be other pension incomes. However not every country is like the Swiss. I lived in Europe for 20 years and I note the pension is fairly low for many countries.

I agree the # of LTR WGC applicants are low. But I interpret the BoI website different than yourself. Looking at the 30-November-2024 statistic reported by BoI, they report 5,775 applicants (visa qualifications approve) for the LTR visa across all categories. They also report 229 applies for the LTR WGC. Note that 229 out of 5,775 is 4%. That same mathematics applies for the other categories. So i don't think the 4% represents the LTR-WGC approval rate. Rather it indicates 4% is the relative % of WGC compared to other categories. ... Frankly, those BoI statistics are IMHO a bit difficult to decipher.

i would agree with the term "common" ... but having typed that, such while 'common', is still I believe far above the average European's pension. For example this article : https://www.etk.fi/en/work-and-pensions-abroad/international-comparisons/pensioners-income-level-internationally/average-pensions-in-europe/ Granted that article is +3 years old, ... but even after 3 years (if one adds inflation increases), even the best average pension is likely far below 70,000 euros/year. However likely some of the retirees have more income than just "old age pension" . And of course the LTR-WP is called 'wealthy pensioner' , I guess, for a reason. Still, I can't help but think 70,000 euros/year in Europe is far above the average pension. In 2021 for Swiss it was 2,225 euro/month (according to the link I provided) which is only 26,700 euros/year. So I assume the average Swiss pensioner then also gets substantial retirement income from sources other than just the 'old age pension' ? I am most curious to learn how this LTR-WGC will turn out.