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Full article at: https://www.car250.com/bev-2024-02-sale.html

Below Trading Economics stats website shows a pretty flat 10 year "trend" for new car sales in Thailand....just a very slight downward trend. Now there are big year-to-year spikes & dips caused by various factors as typical for many stats on whatever a person is tracking like the stock markets...but the trend long term trend so far has been pretty flat. Me thinks with population having peaked a few years ago and now on a downward trend and more & more people moving to cities where rapid transit/buses/taxis/etc., is more available reducing the need for a private car that vehicle "sales in Thailand" has probably already peaked. Now if Thailand turns into a vehicle production hub it may end-up producing/exporting more vehicles in the coming years but I don't think "sales within Thailand" will make any major, long term trend upward. Now, I do expect EVs to continue to take a bigger slice of the total vehicles sales/production pie consisting of all types of power vehicles, but the pie will not get any larger on a long term basis. https://tradingeconomics.com/thailand/total-vehicle-sales

Don't understand your response. The chart shows 302 Seals registered in Feb.

And here's the model breakout of the 1,068 BYD's registered in Feb.

I couldn't say....but below is the model breakout of the 670 Tesla's registered in Feb.

Looks like Thailand New Vehicle "Registrations" for Feb 2024 took a dive from Jan 2024. According to data released this morning on the DLT Statistics webpage Feb 2024 registrations in the RY1 category (private passenger vehicles carrying 7 or less...ICEV, EV, etc) 47,063 new vehicles were registered of which 3,529 being EVs.....this compared to 65,067 in Jan 2024 of which 13,314 being EVs. Yeap, total new RY1 registrations from Jan to Feb dropping from 65,067 to 47,063 which is a 28% drop. And of within that total number EV registrations dropping from 13,314 to 3,529 which is a 73% drop. HOWEVER, BUT, I expect the big EV registrations drop is predominantly due to the the government's EV Subsidy Program 3.0 ending 31 Dec 2023 which required sales made by 31 Dec 2023 to complete the registration process by 31 Jan 2024 in order to receive the higher subsidy amount. So, Jan EV sales/registrations are surely distorted by the more generous EV 3.0 subsidy program ending and being replaced by the less generous EV 3.5 program. That is, a big push to get EVs sales "registered" by 31 Jan 2024 which effectively sapped registrations from near future months Examples of total sales by some of the EV and ICEV manufacturers follow: EV Manf Jan 2024 Feb 2024 BYD 7,806 1,068 NETA 2,013 216 ORA 333 87 Tesla 52 670 Now above was EV manufacturers, but the below ICEV manufacturers registrations fell also. ICEV Manf Jan 2024 Feb 2024 Honda 11,073 9,616 Isuzu 6,904 5,178 Toyota 20,338 16,562 Also keep in mind that vehicles sales in China/Thailand generally dip in the very first part of the year....been a trend for years. Will be interesting to see how EV sales fair over the coming months under the new EV 3.5 subsidy program and frequently occurring big price cuts/promotions. These price cuts are probably going to make many people setback for a while to see how far the prices go down....nothing more dis-satisfying that buying a car this month only to see it new price drop by a big amount the following month under a new promotion.

But on a serious note regarding how much energy "regen" braking can return to a battery/extend an EV range, below is a snapshot from a Youtube video where a guy calculates how much energy his BYD Atto 3 recovers from regen braking. He came up with a figure of 25% based on his driving in Australia....he indicated he does a lot of stop & go driving....probably similar to my driving here in the greater Bangkok area....the land of stop & go driving. A link to his 4 minute video along with a snapshot of the calculation page walks a person thru the calculation. I did the same calculation for my Atto 3 this morning by plugging in an OBD2 adapter to get the "Accumulated Discharge Energy" number....other required numbers such as kilometers driven and energy consumption per 100Km is available right in the EV's Infortainment New Energy menu where key consumption data is displayed. Anyway, I have driven the Atto 8,735Km and it shows 12.6Km is consumed per 100Km. That means it consumes 0.126Kw per each kilometer. - So, 0.161 X 8735 = approx 1101KWH - OBD2 Accumulated Discharge Energy number of 1531KWH - This is a difference of 430KWH (i.e., 1531 - 1101 = 430KWH - 430 divided by 1531 = 28% of energy discharged came from regen braking. Link to below video (around 4 minutes long).....shows the method of regen braking calculation

What wasn't addressed in the U9 range was the impact of its super "regen braking." My super computer (a Commodore 64 loaded-up with all known mathematical formulas) confirmed the U9 is "almost" a perpetual motion machine. Although at top speed of 300KmH the battery is drained fast once the regen braking kicks in (i.e., drifting for miles & miles after reaching 300KmH) all that kinetic energy converted back to electrical energy allows the battery to recover 97% of discharged energy....that is, the battery gets almost fully recharged. The U9 is ready to repeat its burst of speed-up, drifting, & regen braking over-and-over. My super computer projects the U9 could circle the Earth eight times before that repeated 3% overall energy loss would completely drain the battery. Awesome range with regen braking. And I agree with mistral53 that the U9 interior is a bad (ugly) design IMO....I thought that even before he posted....but maybe that design is to help protect the passengers during reentry (i.e., regen braking). 😄😉😊

Car sales in China are typically weak the first few months of each year....usually take a big dip in sales....been going on for a long time. I guess people don't want to buy cars just before/during Chinese New Year. https://www.ceicdata.com/en/indicator/china/motor-vehicles-sales

From looking at the projected specs in the article (link at bottom) there is no dual motor/AWD. Same traction battery size...same motor/torque......just minor changes like a slightly larger Infortainment display, some new cosmetic/color options, etc. With the same battery and motor sizes as the current Extended Range Atto which has 480Km NEDC range since the mid year model is being called Performance 480 I'm assuming the range will still be 480Km. And assuming the Bt100K cash back program is still around the price would be Bt100K cheaper than the current Extended Range (60KWH battery) Atto. Seems to be pretty much a visit to the beauty shop for some slightly differently makeup and hair color which is nice....but still basically the same lady underneath the paint. And regarding the new exterior color of Black, in my opinion black don't usually look that great on many small to mid size vehicles like the Atto....but will have to wait and see what it actually looks like. Now in my opinon on many full size vehicles/SUVs/sedans black looks great...heck, that's why the the wife and I bought a black Fortuner....and if I had bought a Seal instead of an Atto we would have surely got the Seal in black. But color preference for cars, houses, clothes, etc., is a highly personal thing and varies greatly among individuals. More color choices the better as that means more people can get exactly the color they really wanted....and I expect BYD is coming out with a black Atto since many people have asked for a black color. Give the people what they want. https://autolifethailand.tv/byd-atto-3-my2024-cosmos-black-dark-blue-hong-kong/

Another Update After More Atto Driving: - This was 243Km worth of driving in the greater Bangkok area and a couple bordering provinces....city and highway driving with the bulk being highway driving in the 70-90KmH ballpark. All driving in ECO mode...A/C at 22C...two people in the car. At 45% charge remaining I had gone 243Km and the display said I had 217Km range remaining which equates to a total range of 460Km. Now when I use another method to estimate total range like I did in my earlier post/range testing where I use the charge percentage to extrapolate/ratio the range the total range would be 442Km. So, for my most recent driving the total range is in the 460Km to 442Km ballpark which is very similar to the 473Km to 464Kn range estimate in my earlier reported driving test. The Atto is now being charged back to 100% for at least several hundred kilometers worth of traveling this coming weekend. Yea, my Atto with my driving style seems to be able to reach/exceed its WLTP range rating of 420Km...but not the NEDC range rating of 480Km. But if it was limited to city driving in the 30-50Kmh ballpark where most EVs are the most fuel efficient with no A/C it probably would get/exceed a 480Km range just like BYD advertises. But who wants to drive around with the A/C turned off in 35-40C weather other than maybe someone with horns, red flesh, and a pointed tale.

Star Visa is one of only four "certified agencies (CA)" in Thailand that BoI has certified (i.e., blessed) to facilitate LTR applications. So maybe being a BoI CA gets Star's foot in the door at Chiang Mai immigration offices for LTR purposes...don't know...just guessing.

This guy must be driving downhill all the time. My 2009 Fortuner 3.0L diesel gets 10.4Km/liter based on my combined city and highway driving....I was getting 10.4Km/L when it was new and many years later in 2024 it still gets 10.4Km. But hey, maybe the 2.8L is a lot more fuel efficient than the older 3.0L diesel engine.

@ExpatOilWorker Thanks for the report. But all the fancy charts in the report don't look nearly as good as my personal spreadsheet where I compare my Atto and Fortuner in terms of fuel efficiency/cost to drive per Km....partial snapshot below.

Don't really know...somewhere south of 400km I'm sure. Couldn't maintain 120kmh from Bangkok to HuaHin due to road conditions, speed limits, etc., at any time during the day or night. Plus I wouldn't enjoy the speeding tickets via mail about a month later. The Atto cruises at 120km smoother and quieter than the Fortuner. The chart is skimpy on background info...got a web link that provide such?

EPA range fuel efficiency applies to vehicles sold in the U.S...it's a tougher range test standard compared to WLTP, CLTP, NEHC, etc., whether testing an EV or ICEV. Getting a Thailand BYD dealership to change the vehicles software to readout in WLTP vs NEDC I'm sure would be an easy firmware/software update especially since BYD sells vehicles in many countries that use the WLTP standard. But I'm surprised they would do it since BYD vehicles sold in Thailand receive Thai govt approval for import based on NEDC standards. See below FAQ snapshot from Rever Automotive website who is the official importer/distributor of BYD vehicles into Thailand (they are basically Headquarters BYD in Thailand). The FAQ says "no-can-do" a NEDC to WLTP change for BYD vehicles sold in Thailand...but actually they could if they wanted to...it's more like a "no-will-do." But hey, This Is Thailand and money can change black to white, white to black, and maybe NEDC to WLTP. Additionally, I would think BYD Thailand would be very reluctant to change the displayed range from NEDC to WLTP as it may make the "next" owner of that BYD vehicle wonder why he can never get the "advertised" max range reading after charting to 100%....make him think the car has a problem....maybe start bad-mouthing the BYD car on social media, etc. Now, if/when BYD starts using the WLTP standard on the paperwork it submits to the Thai govt to get import/sale approval then I could see BYD willing to do a firmware update to have the display show WLTP vs NEDC. Heck, maybe someday an OTA will arrive that will allow a person to change an infotainment system setting to display in NEDC or WLTP. Kinda like how you can currently change in the Atto from Standard to Dynamic range mode, Standard to High regen braking, ECO-Normal-Sport power mode, etc. Seems this would still allow BYD to comply with the govt paperwork it got approved and also satisfy those vehicle owners that want to use a WLTP range estimation....but I expect there are probably legal landmines and additional costs that might not make that appealing to BYD. https://www.reverautomotive.com/en/faq

Yea....sounds right per Km based on typical electric fuel efficiency of different EVs. Thailand residential "standard" rates (I.e., non-TOU) are approx Bt5/KWH total....DC Fast Charger rates are approx Bt7.5KWH (or higher) during Peak Hours or approx 50% higher than the residential standard rates. Of course how costs would work per Km would vary from EV to EV, whether or not a person has TOU setup, when he charges, driving environment, etc. Your estimate per Km sounds right to me.

CLTC range applies to vehicles sold "in China". BYD models like the Seal, Atto, Dolphin sold in Thailand display in NEDC range.

Did some googling...apparently a common method to rate data center IT capacity is power consumption. https://datacenterhawk.com/resources/hawkpodcast/how-to-measure-the-data-center-market-data-center-fundamentals Measuring Data Center Market Supply Let's map this to the data center industry. On the supply side of the data center market, the lemonade stands are data centers. The family that runs one or more lemonade stands are data center providers or operators. Instead of selling lemonade, data center providers sell capacity. Instead of measuring in cups, the primary measure of capacity is electricity consumption, specifically kilowatts (kW) and megawatts (MW).

You can get vehicle registration stats at the Thailand DLT website...but you'll need to be proficient in Thai to accomplish a stats query and read the provided spreadsheets. This is where these different websites/news articles pull their registration stats. https://web.dlt.go.th/statistics/

When the blue book is issued it has the license plate number right on the front....done deal. Whether the individual wants to go to the dealership and turn in his red tags in order to get his blue book and white plates is up to him (and how hard the dealership pushes him to come pickup the blue book/white plates so the dealership can get the red tags back). But as far as the govt is concerned the sale/registration is complete I've heard some people really drag their feet in going back to the dealer to pickup the blue book/white plates as they want to drive around with red tags as long as the can---it's a face thing. But the sale/registration is complete

No...the sales numbers I and most others gave earlier are government "registrations" as stated at the beginning of the articles. Repeat, registrations completed by the Dept of Land Transport (DLT)...vehicle sale & ownership transfer completed....vehicle blue book issued. Now if an article said "bookings" like from an auto show, well, that just means people have only made reservations/deposits for a new vehicle....how many result in final sale "and registration" is another story...but I expect the great majority of people who book a new vehicle continue on to complete ownership (I..e., govt registration). Take another look at above articles/stats....you'll see most are talking "registrations."

Here in the greater Bangkok area EVs are becoming as thick as fleas on a soi dog....you see them all over the roads. In this or similar topic EV threads I mentioned a couple of times on my Bangkok moobaan soi of 10 houses how 3 of the 10 home have EVs parked in their carports....me with my BYD Atto, another home with an Atto, and a home with a Telsa Model Y....all bought during the last half of 2023. And on another soi in my moobaan only about 50 meters from my soi two homes have got EVs over the last month....a BYD Atto and a GWM Good cat. Walk over to the next soi and a guy got a Porche Taycon about two months ago. And as I drive in and out of my large gated moobaan of hundreds of homes I'm always passing my other EVs within the moobaan. My moobaan consists of all standalone homes mostly owned by mid to high income Thais.

Yea...for the "last several months" EV sales accounted for 20 to 25% of total vehicle sales in Thailand. End of 2023 sales spike no doubt...will be interesting to see how EV sales hold up in 2024 especially as a percentage of total vehicles sales. I fully expect the EV sales to be very healthy with the continuing price cutting and more people slowly coming over to the EV side...losing their fear(s) of EVs. https://autolifethailand.tv/ev-bev-register-thailand-sep-2023/ Total vehicle registrations for the 100% electric vehicle group (BEV: Battery Electric Vehicle) in December 2023 totaled 9,258 vehicles (representing 25.34% of total vehicle registrations in Thailand, RY.1, totaling 36,531 vehicles). https://autolifethailand.tv/register-ev-bev-thailand-Jan-2024/ Breaking the highest record! Total registrations for 100% electric trains in Thailand in January 2024 totaled 13,653 vehicles, a proportion of 20.5% of the total of 65,067 new cars, RY.1, nationwide.

There are social media stories with pictures/docs out there in internet land talking Atto battery replacement cost in the Bt700K to $900K ballpark...cost to replace the battery after a wreck. The stories seem to be from about this time last year. https://blink-drive.com/index.php/2023/03/03/byd-battery-replacment/ https://www.sanook.com/auto/86639/