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Impossible to enforce. So, what is Thailand going to do? Say a person transfers over 25K USD from a savings acct a person has had for many years accumulating income say from income sources exempt under DTA such as U.S. govt Social Security/military retirement pension payments....the revenue dept is not going attempt to tax that. What are they going to do?...start immediately deducting a tax from any foriegn SWIFT/Wise type transfer arriving a Thai bank acct?...I don't think so.

However this new rule works out or possibly just disappears as resistance grows against it the Thai revenue dept is not going to be looking back in time like 2, 3, 5 years, etc. If the new rule does go into affect 1 Jan 2024 then they would only be looking from that date forward...and as said earlier on income, interest, dividends earned since 1 Jan 2024 (not before that) if not already shielded by a DTA.

Money you simply transfer is not taxable now or possibly under this new tax rule beginning 1 Jan 2024..it's interest and dividends you earn from assets like say 5% interest on a 250K savings acct.

Immigration offices are part of the Royal Thai Police organizational structure and do not issue Yellow Books. It's district offices where Thais go to get/renew their Thai ID cards, Thais/foreigners go to register a marriage, and people go to do a variety of other official administrative type things is where a Yellow Book and the associated foreigner Pink ID card are issued. These offices are called Provincial/Dictrict Office of Administration under the Interior Ministry.

Today I visited the BoI LTR section and also the BoI immigration who are across from each other on the 18th floor at Chamchuri Square. I first went into the BoI LTR section to ask if the 1 year address report can be done online or via mail. At this point I'm dealing with young reps who basically initially meet people visiting the BoI LTR section and do their best to provide answers. After about a 10 minute discussion the result boiled down that the report must be done in person or by some one you designate (regardless of where you live in Thailand). No online or mail. OK this is inline with what BoI told me several months in some back and forth emails which I posted earlier in this thread. Note: later in my story as I ask the question again to some different folks I get a different answer much more to my liking. Read on. So now I go across the hall to Immigration to get a Certificate of Residence (CR) since I buying a new car....this was my primary reason in going to BoI Immigration today. Here's how it went: when I first walked into Immigration's doors I saw the place was packed....95% of the waiting/queue area filled with bodies, but at that same instant I noticed all the immigration officers counters were manned but no customers standing in front of any of the counters....I wondered if something was going on. Anyway, the immigration rep that meets you at the entrance asked what I needed....I said I'm here for a CR and I have a LTR visa. When the immigration rep heard me say I have an LTR visa, he said Oh (like it had a special meaning...or maybe I reading too much into it) and then he immediately lead me over to the immigration information counter where I told the officer at that counter what I needed and I asked how long to get one...the officer said one hour with a Bt500 fee. The officer looked at the form I had completed (a form that Cheang Wattana supposedly uses) and said at BoI immigration they use a slightly different form....I filled out their form which is 95% identical to the CW form. The officer then directs me over to counter 8 I think it was. I walk directly to counter #8 and the officer checks my forms...the officer wants the form I had just competed, copies of key passport pages like the first page and page showing my visa, and my latest 1 year address report. The officer then asked for Bt500 which I paid and then directed me over to counter #10 that is the counter that actually issues the CR. Now this # 10 counter officer also wanted a copy of my latest TM30 which I had a copy of. The officer then said the CR would be ready in 1 hour. I come back in 50 minutes and it's indeed ready....CR in hand. During this whole process I was never issued a queue ticket....it was like I was being Fast Tracked or maybe I just got lucky. I then asked the counter #10 rep the 1 year address reporting question to see what answer I might get...she just directed me back to the main information desk (but she went also) where I talked to an immigration officer who confirmed with another officer that "Yes, you can do the 1 year report by mail to them....use the address on the SMART visa website." But no online capability at this time to do a 1 year address report. That was good to hear. OK, with the conflicting answers regarding the 1 year address from the BoI LTR side and the Immigration side I go back to BoI to ask the 1 year report again. Initially talked to the young rep again and explained the conflicting answers. He asked me to set down and he get a senior BoI LTR rep to come talk to me about it. That rep arrived in a few minutes and said a person can do the 1 year report at their "local/nearby" immigration using the TM95 form (not the TM47) and immigration offices had been notified/asked to support...but he also kinda implied some immigration offices may not be up-to-speed on the issue and direct a LTR visa person back to BoI LTR immigration. And as mentioned above BoI immigration also said the report can be done my "mail" like described on the SMART visa website. And then I asked the rep about the recent tax news regarding Thailand now possibly taxing a person's home country income. He said the BoI has talked to the Revenue Dept about this and basically those with LTR visa are exempt....probably best said just reposting below snapshot from K2938's post from a few days ago. I'm now done...out of the building I go....got my CR and got some courtesy questions answered regarding the 1 year report and tax issues---of course subject to change. I got good support today at the BoI LTR Section and across the hall at Immigration. Cheers.

Yes, in the 183Wh/Kilometer number I used it includes charging losses according to the website were I got the data. https://ev-database.org/car/1782/BYD-ATTO-3#efficiency

I generally hang onto my cars a lot longer than the average person...like a Pontiac Firebird I owned for 24 years and only sold it because of moving overseas...and now my 15 years old Fortuner that I have no plans to sell. But I don't expect I will keep any BEV 15 or 24 years as the BEV operating system/whiz bang infotainment system would probably be considered ancient/caveman after 10 years. Heck, in 10 years maybe we'll have flying BEVs using Android 25. And maybe the traction battery SOH/range will be too low although supposedly there are BEV taxis using BYD batteries in China that have over 1.2M kilometers with SOH above 70% predominantly using high power DC Fast chargers. Yeap...keeping my fingers crossed my life cycle continues another 15 to 24 years (preferably longer).

I don't have any depreciation data on an Atto....and other than what my insurance company says my 15 year Fortuner is worth to them I don't have any other depreciation data.

Yea...when I first bought the Fortuner in 2009 over several months I did fuel efficiency tests...using actual kilometers driven divided by how many liters put in versus using what the vehicle estimates. Over 5 full tanks I got an average of 10.46Km/L....wrote it down in my owners manual. A few months ago after having the turbocharger core replaced I checked again and over 3 full tanks I got the 10.38Km/L. So, over 15 years the ol' Fortuner has remained steady in fuel usage. If I really tried to drive economically I can squeak out a little over 11Km/L....but it's no fun driving that way.

This morning I created a spreadsheet for myself comparing fuel costs/savings between my Toyota Fortuner 3.0L diesel engine vehicle and the BYD Atto 3 Extended Range EV I'm in the process of buying. I know, I know, some of you (or maybe all of you) are thinking it's just another one of those durn unrealistic fuel cost comparisons between ICE and EV vehicles....boring. But hey, here it is anyway! All the cost factors are "actual/real world" numbers with the exception of the "Atto 3 Kilometers per KWH" number as that number is a best estimate at this time. Cost factors like the "exact" cost of diesel fuel, the "exact" cost of each additional KWH of electricity used at my home to charge the EV, the "exact" kilometers per liter I get with my Fortuner over the last 15 years of driving, etc. Note: I've seen all kinds of "cost per KWH" amounts for home charging in various threads...Bt3.5, 4.5, 5.5, etc., and it's obviously some folks were only guessing as to how much they pay at home for each additional KWH they use and some of the estimates were probably only talking their "basic" rate and didn't include the Ft charge, meter fee, VAT, etc., that gets tacked onto the basic rate. The Bt5.45/KWH I used in the spreadsheet is exactly what I will pay (including all basic rate/Ft/Meter Fee/VAT) for each additional KWH I will use when home charging the EV. But the Atto Kilometers per KWH used is not exact (at this time it's just a best estimate) since I haven't had a chance to do a couple months of real world driving with it; instead, I must rely on testing under various driving conditions done by testing organizations. While the Atto 3 sales literature says it uses 149Wh/Km, in my calculation below to reach a 5.46 Kilometers per KWH I use 183Wh/Km as part of the underlying formula to reach that 5.46 Kilometers per KWH. Using the 183Wh vs 149Wh means I'm lowering the kilometers per KWH efficiency by approx. 24%....or said another way from 6.71 kilometers per KWH based on BYD sales literature to probably a more realistic 5.46. For now I'm using 183Wh based on testing results posted at this webpage: https://ev-database.org/car/1782/BYD-ATTO-3#efficiency. Now none of the testing results at that webpage reflect driving in hot tropical weather but in cold & mild weather conditions. Take a look at the webpage and you'll see what I mean. You'll see from the spreadsheet below my fuel (diesel or electricity) savings should be approx 65%. Or said another way this particular cost analysis shows my fuel cost for the Atto will be exactly 1 baht for each kilometer vs 2.88 baht for the Fortuner. 1,000km in the Fortuner costs Bt2,889 for fuel....in the Atto Bt997. I even included a summary of savings over various kilometers driven like the 160,000Km covering the Atto warranty period and 315,000Km my Fortuner currently has under its odometer. Note: I set the spreadsheet to round to 2 decimal points for display purposes even although the underlying formulas go beyond 2 decimal points in some cases...just wanted as much accuracy as possible. Fuel Cost Comparison between a Fortuner and Atto

In my above post I talked how the wife and I decided on going with a "white" Atto 3 primarily because she didn't really like the red (which I liked), but we were both fine with white or green and ended-up agreeing on white. Well, since booking the white Atto 3 last week with delivery occurring later this week some events occurred that changed our color preference. Factors like seeing all 5 Atto colors on the road/in parking lots around Bangkok vs just at a dealership......the wife having more time to think privately about colors....the wife's 90 year Mom recommending we get a "purple" Atto instead of a white (now Atto's don't come in purple but Mom was basically hinting to the wife to go with a bright color instead of white).....a few days ago seeing a red Atto in the underground parking lot at a Central mall in a charging stall (it looked great in the low light)....and this morning another event occurred that caused us to switch from white to red. This morning we got a call from the dealership asking that I bring in my passport, Yellow Book, and Pink ID card (no need for an Residency Certificate since I have a Yellow Book/Pink ID card) so BYD admin could start preparing the formal registration/ownership paperwork for this week's delivery. When we arrived the dealership on this bright & sunny morning a red Atto was parked right outside the showroom doors....it didn't belong to the dealership but to a customer who just happened to be visiting the dealership for some reason. That red Atto looked great in the bright sunshine!...it caught (no, grabbed) both the wife's attention and mine. Neither the wife or I said anything to each other for about 30 seconds as we both looked at the red Atto. And then out of the blue the wife said she wants to change colors. She said while white would still be fine she now definitely preferred the red after events over the last week with this morning's red Atto being put right in front of us...she truly preferred red now. And we both agreed the gods must have placed that red Atto right in front of this morning as a sign we should go with red instead of white.....it was just "meant to be." So, we told the dealership we want to change from white to red....the dealership didn't have any problem in doing the color change other than delivery will now tentatively be about two weeks from now vs later this week if we had stayed with a white Atto. Yeap, happily the wife did a Dr. Jekyll and Mr. Hyde regarding color preference. ????

Ain't that the truth in terms of lower income folks probably being the most impacted by the EV motorcycle subsidy going bye-bye under government's tentative/draft EV3.5 subsidy program. And when a person converts that Bt18K subsidy to a "percentage" of price reduction say for the Sofia model shown above (far left) that Bt18K subsidy reduces the normal price of Bt47,900 down to Bt28,640 which equates to a 40% price reduction!

Below is some more news crossfeed on the government's EV subsidy/tax program such as comparing the "current" EV3.0 Subsidy Package with the "draft/tentative" successor EV3.5 Subsidy Package which is still under discussion between the govt and EV manufacturers...still pending approval from the new government. From comparing the EV3.0 and EV3.5 charts below the major changes I noticed are: 1. The cash subsidy amount is reduced on cars and pickup trucks and is eliminated for motorcycles. Like for example the subsidy on the BYD Atto 3 I'm in the process of buying would drop from Bt150K to Bt100K. 2. The traction battery size trigger levels to get a cash subsidy changes. For certain vehicles a larger battery would be needed (which increases the price of the vehicle) to get the higher cash subsidy. Example: "if", repeat, if a person was buying a car under the EV3.0 it would only need a traction battery size of at least 30KWH to get the higher cash subsidy but under EV3.5 the battery size would need to be at least 50KWH to get the higher subsidy amount, otherwise, they get the lower subsidy amount. Like someone interested in the Neta V EV (a very popular EV in Thailand) which comes with a 40.7KWH battery under the current EV3.0 it would get the higher subsidiary but under the proposed EV3.5 it would get the lower subsidy amount. 3. Motorcycles are not included in EV3.5....the cash subsidy and excise tax reduction go bye-bye. The Nation 7 July 2023 news article https://www.nationthailand.com/business/automobile/40029153 Headlight Magazine 24 Aug 2023 news article. Full news article that contained below charts....the news article is in Thai but translates well. https://www.headlightmag.com/2023-08-24-ev-subsidy-package-draft/

Regarding the current 2% "excise tax on BEVs (down from 8%) during my car shopping between MG and BYD I took pictures of the info sheet stuck to the MG ZS EV and BYD Atto 3 vehicle windows....see below. At the very bottom in the right hand corner of each sheet where the total price is listed you'll see a "2%" in parenthesis. The means the price includes a 2% Excise tax. For MG ZS EV F For BYD Atto 3

Good luck in trying to decide....the Bt150K subsidiary is definitely nice which on a Bt1M vehicle represents a 15% price discount. From my googling this subsidiary pot of money originally started off with around Bt2.9 billion and is close to depletion but supposedly the govt agency running the subsidiary program wants to top it up again with another approx 2.9 billion if the new govt supports. And I'm sure the vehicle manufacturers are pressing the new govt to keep the subsidiary going for as long as possible. And BEVs still have the "Excise" Tax reduction from 8% to 2% which is suppose to continue/is locked in for a couple more years. This BEV excise tax reduction of 6% is worth Bt60K on a Bt1M vehicle. So, between the BEV excise tax reduction and BEV subsidiary it makes a BEV cost 21% less than around a year ago.

I may do that...I have RCBO/ELCB installed for my two shower water heaters. But from the YouTube videos I think the BYD charger installers install a mini breaker box with RCBO/ELCB capability next to the charger.

Yea...I agree....I have a couple of 32A spares on-hand but will probably have to buy (or the installers buy) a 40A Square D breaker which should only cost a couple hundred baht. My main box is a Schneider Square D box with Square D breakers like shown below.

I have just figured out that the 16 of 16 breakers should "not" be an issue because 7 of the 16 breakers are dedicated to my 7 wall air conditioners in my house. No, I don't use 7 A/Cs frequently....I only use one 24/7 and another one at night only....the other 5 A/Cs are rarely used. Each one of the A/Cs is on a 20A breaker/dedicated circuit but none of the A/Cs individually pull anything close to 20A....far less. So, what I'm going to tell the BYD charger installers if the "your box is full" issue comes up is to connect the circuit/wire for breaker #11 which is a small bedroom A/C pulling a max of 5A to breaker #10 which is another small A/C in an adjoining room which also pulls a max of 5A. I have confirmed this individual/total amperage pull since I installed a voltmeter and ammeter into my main box years ago to make is easy to see voltage/amps being used real time...and I also used a clamp-on ammeter to double check the amps draw. So, both A/Cs running at once (which would be rare) would pull a total max of 10A....only 50% of the max allowed on a 20A circuit/breaker. Now with the breaker #11 slot freed-up removing the current 20A breaker and replacing it with a 32 or 40A breaker to feed the 32A max charger with a new wire run (probably 4mm2 sized wire) should work fine. The only possible challenge then will be the actual wire run from the main breaker box thru a hard to get to concrete wall obstruction....but maybe that will be easy-peasy for these installers which have probably overcome much bigger install challenges. Yea...feeling better now that I should be able to free-up a main box breaker position if necessary for charger dedicated use. So, far I've had more concerned (some worry) with the wall charger install because so far the buying process of the car has been super easy....the BYD folks handling everything like I'm some VIP or something.

This morning when the wife and I drove to a mall about 15 minutes away here in Bangkok we noticed five Atto's and what was amazing each one was a different color that represented the five available colors for an Atto....red, white, blue, green, and gray.

It's just a way of emphasing how much the free maintenance is worth "if" it wasn't free.

That would denfiitely work. But no plans to move from the house we have owned for almost 16 years here in Bangkok. That type of connector would definitely work and it's the type of connector routinely seen in factories, warehouses, on the outside of buildings where mobile/moveable electrical equipment like electric fork lifts, portable/moveable machines, etc., are used.....just some type of equipment (usually high power) you want to be able to immediately unplug and move to another location and immediately plug-in again....no messing around with reconnecting wires with screws/nuts. But with above being said, if I was moving just unscrewing the three wires on the back of the charger wouldn't take but 5 minutes assuming I didn't forget to turn of the breaker feeding the charger and then electrocuted myself while disconnecting/unscrewing the three wires. ????

Yea...thanks. At the bottom are a couple of Youtube short videos showing the Duosida and Zhida wall chargers and associated circuit break/junction boxes which BYD has been using. At my house it's going to be interesting as to how hard (or not so hard) the install turns out to be since my main circuit breaker panel is full already (16 of 16 circuit breaker slots in use), running a new circuit to the box or an auxiliary/supplement breaker box they might have to install, drilling thru a concrete wall in a bad location, running the wire between the 2nd story concrete floor & sheetrock first floor ceiling, etc. No problem in have enough power as my house has a 100A single phase system and I typically on run 10A at any one time....but it can be higher for short period when using the clothes dryer which pulls 25A or shower water heater that also pulls 25A. Will have to wait and see what the installers say/recommend....but I'm just not going to let them do it the "easy" way if their easy way looks like crap after the install. I've seen a few wall charger installs in my moobaan where they ran electrical conduit all the way from the back of the house on the outside house walls to the front carport....it must have been a 25 meter run and with all the PVC conduit stuck on the outside walls....it didn't look to good in my opinion....but maybe for those houses it was simply the only way to do it. BYD said the installers will come around 3 days after I accept car so it will be around 30 Sep to the first few days of Oct before I find out just how hard (or easy) it will turn out to be....how much additional install cost "might" be required as every install is different since every install location will have different challenges. Yeap, after a concrete house is built doing certain major electrical or water pipe modifications can turn out to be a real challenge....I just hope it don't turn out to be a pain. I don't think it will be in my case "if", repeat, if a certain approx 5 meter run from the main circuit box inside the house thru a thick concrete wall and between the 2nd story floor and 1st floor ceiling turns out to be doable without too much effort....if that part of the electrical conduct run turns out to be doable then I figure the total length of the run will be about 10 meters (5 of the 10 meters in the carport area). But hey, the electrical installers may say "no can do"....have to do it a way which might not turn out to not be aesthetically pleasing to the discerning eye. But with the wall charger being an all important device to make EV use "a lot" easier, I'm definitely going to get it installed as I sure wouldn't want to use the "granny" charger all the time since I can use a granny charger immediately since the carport already has a 16A socket....but the wiring to that 16A socket is 2.5mm2 wire that is not big enough to handle a 7KW/32A wall charger. I shall overcome. Duosida charger Zhida Charger

@Debaurazl Outstanding report!!!....and Congrats!

Before I forget as mentioned in my earlier posts BYD provides a free 7KW Wall Charger to include installation.....they have the specific wall charger on display at dealerships and I'm "assuming" that will be the model installed at my house. I took a picture of the charger model identification plate and it's made by ZHIDA with a model number of: ZHIDA-DC1- C12E. I found it listed on Lazada for approx Bt12K.

Thanks. The wife and I agreed on White (or should I say Frost as BYD calls it). The Atto 3 comes in 5 colors....Solar (red), Lagoon (blue), Emerald (green), Graphite (gray), and Frost (white). Of course there an many variations of red, blue, green, gray and white. A person has to actually see the color on the vehicle with their own eyeballs vs a TV/computer/smartphone to see if they like the color on that vehicle....and of course some vehicles look good in a certain color while another make/model with the exact same color may not look good. At the dealership we used they had 4 of the 5 colors on their showroom floor and a red one in the garage area so we got to see all 5 colors up close, hands on. Funny thing about the "red" Atto 3 (or really any "red" make/model in Thailand) they might be hard to find because both the BYD dealership for the Atto 3 and two MG dealerships regarding the MG EZ EV said they don't sell that many vehicles in red. I can easily believe that because excluding taxis I guesstimate around 80-90% (or of the cars and pickup trucks in Thailand are either white, black, gray, or silver and then around 10% are red, blue, green, brown, pink, yellow, etc. The Thai wife has always told me that most Thai's don't like bright colors on vehicles for various reasons but prefer the conservative colors of white, black, gray, and silver. And boy, that is easily confirmed by just looking at the color of vehicles on Thai roads, parking lots, etc. Additionally, I haven't seen a red Atto 3 on the road yet but plenty of the other colors. Anyway, while I liked a red Atto the wife didn't want to have anything to do with red. She preferred the white or green and I also liked the white and green....but both of us agreed that between white and green we both preferred the white. So white it is...whoops, I mean Frost as it is a variation of white that does indeed look like Frost. This also means our black Fortuner will soon have a white younger sibling setting next to it in our carport. Colors and dealership locations can be found at the BYD Rever Automotive website as it appears Rever is official distributor of BYD vehicles in Thailand. https://www.reverautomotive.com/en By the way, the dealership called today....said our Atto 3 Extended Range will be delivered 27 Sep (next Wed)....we booked/made a deposit/ordered on 21 Sep. Don't know if it's inbound from China or already in Thailand somewhere. I sure hope my GoFundMe to help Pib buy a new car reaches Bt1.2M by next Wednesday morning. ???? Dealer also asked which insurance company we wanted (i.e., the free 1st class insurance for one year)....the 5 insurance company choices offered by BYD at this time are: Tipaya, Bangkok, LMG, KSK, or Navakit. I already have LMG insurance on my Fortuner...but I called my insurance broker I've use for many years to ask her recommendation since a broker deals with dozens of insurance companies....she recommended Bangkok Insurance in this case. So, I got back with the dealership saying I wanted Bangkok Insurance. Cheers. BYD Rever Dealer Locations https://www.reverautomotive.com/en/locator/dealer-station Atto 3 Colors https://www.reverautomotive.com/en/model/atto3/overview