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On 2/28/2018 at 11:37 AM, Oziex1 said:
Sort the economy and get people real jobs, should have an impact on the situation.
Sure about that?
Prostitution in NZ is legal and they apparently have no trouble getting women to do it there. Not exactly a country known for poverty.
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On 2/28/2018 at 11:36 AM, Thaidream said:
The difference between the Foreign sex scene and the Thai sex scene is that the Thai Scene is much more discrete. Most foreigners would not know where to find the Thai sex scene unless they have lived in Thailand a long time or can speak and understand Thai and visit those areas. I once went with my step son to a Thai only restaurant in a remote border village. The names of the available ladies and prices were imprinted on the 'menu'.
The Phuket and Pattaya sex scene for foreigners is very unregulated; in your face; and allowed to move around mostly at will. These are the images that the World sees of Thailand.. The GoGo scene; the scantily clad lasses out front; the beer bar crowd etc. They need to enforce some zoning so the not interested in sex tourist trade does not clash with the mongers -It appears North Pattaya is mostly being developed that way and as bar rental-lease renewal prices rise- relocation or closure takes place and a natural culling occurs. I would expect more relocation towards Jomtien just as relocation in Bangkok is moving more towards mid Sukhumvit with the eventual closure of Nana Plaza and possibly Cowboy.
They need to enforce some zoning so the not interested in sex tourist trade does not clash with the mongers
Why?
There is nothing in Pattaya that the "not interested in sex" tourist can not find elsewhere. They should go other places and leave Pattaya alone.
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On 2/28/2018 at 11:28 AM, smotherb said:
While I am not privy to the statistics; I do know I first came to Pattaya in 1967, while stationed in Vietnam. I was not alone and Pattaya was still in its infancy. However, I think we all fool ourselves claiming any Westerner created sex entertainment areas in Thailand.
In 1967 was it notorious among US troops in Vietnam as a place to go for fun? I can find no evidence now, that it was.
In fact, there is very little about the early days of Pattaya, other than it was a beach with a fishing village till about the late 60s.
The internet does NOT have the answer to everything.
I'd certainly be interested if someone started a thread that was actually there then.
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On 2/28/2018 at 11:28 AM, kevozman1 said:
Please.. whilst I don't agree with people who grossly exaggerate the sex tourism figures in regards to GDP, if there is one place where the shit would hit the fan after a serious crackdown on prostitution, then it is certainly Pattaya. I certainly would not want to be around to see the aftermath.
I disagree. The scene is but a pale resemblance of what it once was when it was a large component of a small town. Now, it is a business struggling to fill too many bars while the girls are going on line.
It could become something like Hua Hin with a very small scene and it would not be as severe as you think for the larger city that has a very small area actively involved in the night life.
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On 2/28/2018 at 12:01 PM, Thaidream said:
Actually- most of the bars and GoGo clubs are supplied with girls by agents and recruiters.
You really need to PROVE that statement, as I do not believe that is true.
Girls go to work in a farang bar where they have a friend or relative, or they just turn up and look around for a place to work in.
Sometimes a girl from the village that is already working in a bar may go home and tell them about it, and other girls may follow them back.
If the girls were "supplied" to a particular bar or gogo they would be contracted to that bar, and they aren't. They can leave and go work somewhere else if they want.
You are, IMO, talking about the agents that place girls overseas, which is nothing to do with this thread.
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On 2/28/2018 at 11:39 AM, Kimber said:
She (and the others) is quite open about how she enjoys sex with farang guys,
But but but, the wowsers will never accept that a Thai woman can possibly enjoy sex "for money". In their made up minds it's just something horrible they do to put food in the mouths of their starving children.
Problem is they confuse western women with Thais.
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On 2/28/2018 at 11:27 AM, spidermike007 said:
Wait a minute. You have 100 bottles on this list, ranging from 1200 baht to 10,000 baht per bottle, and NOBODY who works here knows anything about the wine? Are you serious? We all just looked at each other, and got up and walked out.
Which, if all wine drinking tourists did, would soon end the tax. That they don't says more about them than the Thais.
On 2/28/2018 at 11:27 AM, spidermike007 said:There are countless things the government could be doing, if they wanted to attract the high quality tourists.
IMO every "high quality" tourist could vanish from Thai shores and it would make almost zero difference to the vast majority of Thais. It would however, upset the multi national hotel chains, till they reoriented to a different market. The 4 5* hotels with a 5 minute walk of me in Chiang Mai cater mainly to the Chinese bus tours.
Plenty of places in LOS cater for the "people with money" ( which I prefer to call "high quality" tourists, as IMO they are anything but "high quality" even if they have loadsacash and think they are special ), but one has to look for them. There is no need for the government to be jumping in, as governments never do anything well. Best left to private enterprise.
The one thing they have done that probably works is the "elite visa".
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On 2/28/2018 at 11:04 AM, NanLaew said:
Pattaya was not "created as an r&r zone for the US". The overwhelming majority of US military that came to Thailand for R&R during the American War never left Bangkok.
I think the Germans can lay claim to 'discovering' Pattaya before anyone's war was over.
I actually visited a GI R & R bar in Bkk, and even I was shocked at the place. In those days there were pimps. The scene now is far better.
However, I do think troops on R & R stayed in Pattaya. The ones that didn't were those stationed at U Tapao, which some have claimed happened. They apparently had their own bar complex by the base.
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On 2/28/2018 at 10:42 AM, Thaidream said:
It will never be ended but it could be controlled. Bangkok is more or less controlled in which certain areas are available to foreigners for their 'entertainment'. It is less obvious on the streets and much of the night 'trade' has been moved off Sukhumvit to the side streets.
Pattaya is very uncontrolled and in your face. The trade needs to be controlled so both mongers and families can enjoy a trip there (not to mentioning cleaning up the beach and sea).
Places like Walking Street and Soi 6 and 8 need to have a viable police presence and a sign placed at the end of the Soi indicating one is entering an 'entertainment zone so families can avoid the scene.
Control would bring more families into these places and provide more opportunities for employment in more stable occupations for ladies or near ladies. In addition- the police would be in a better position to respond to bar fights; overcharging; theft etc. if they limited any expansion to defined areas .
IMHO the General was mostly upset over the fact that Thailand and prostitution was mentioned in the same breath by a government official of another country causing Thailand to allegedly 'lose face'.
Why should Pattaya do anything to become a "family" destination? It was a boy's fun place long before the first western family ever turned up. Families have hundreds of other, less fun places to have their holidays. There is NOTHING about Pattaya that would attract families- disgusting beach with toxic water, broken infrastructure, unsafe traffic, crime etc etc etc. The ONLY reason that families come there is because dishonest travel agents portray the place as being something it's not, and large multinational corporations built resorts there.
Families shouldn't be allowed to go to Pattaya, not the other way around.
BTW, if anyone that passes Soi 6 from either end can't work out what it is, they must be incredibly stupid.
Bangkok is more or less controlled in which certain areas are available to foreigners for their 'entertainment'. It is less obvious on the streets and much of the night 'trade' has been moved off Sukhumvit to the side streets.
I have to assume you haven't been in Bkk very long then. In the 90s there was no "trade" on Sukhumvit, and it was possible to pass by Soi 4 and not even know Nana Plaza was there. The ''trade" only moved to Sukhumvit after the government made the bars close earlier. I think that was a Thaksin initiative.
Soooo, in the complete opposite of what you claim, the "trade" is MORE obvious NOW than it used to be last century.
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On 2/28/2018 at 10:34 AM, lkv said:
I am still young (sort of, mid 30s), and the last thing I'd do is find the love of my life in a bar (with the staff). The lower the quality, the more financially oriented it becomes.
When you say "please hand the money" you kind of sound like them :) Kind of, because they don't say please. :)
That's your prerogative, but what is wrong with those that do look for the love of their life in a bar doing so?
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12 hours ago, kevozman1 said:
Assumptions and wrong on both counts i'm afraid.
Even forgetting the bars/gogo bars (that still dominate many centrally placed sois around the city) it's hard to ignore the mile long line of hookers along beach road at night and the multiple large soapies on Second Road.
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Other than a few rather sad gogos on Soi 6/7/8 and Yamato/ Post Office/ Boystown area, the only gogo of significance is Tahitian Queen that is not in Walking St area or LK Metro. Hardly "dominating" but even if they were, so what? Is that a problem?
Last time I looked there were 2 soapies on Second, and almost opposite each other. Hardly an overabundance, and even if there were, so what? Would that be a problem?
Hookers on Beach, yes, but spread out and hardly any north of Central Rd. Not exactly a "problem" for any that are not interested.
I fail to see why bars are so unsettling given it's a party town, and people know that before they set foot in the place. It's like being critical that Las Vegas has casinos and gambling.
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On 2/28/2018 at 10:33 AM, AsianAtHeart said:
There are perhaps a few here on TV who have more experience with Thailand. I've only been around the country for more than a couple decades. Of course, while post count might be an indicator of one's loquaciousness, it does nothing to indicate one's experience. If it's any help to your understanding of my perspective, I am conversationally fluent in Thai and am literate in the language. It's good you prefaced your statement with "apparent." Not all things, however, are as they appear on the surface.
Eliminating prostitution will not happen if the modus operandi is to simply shut down the brothels. The economic forces underpinning the problem must be resolved. I remember the day in Thailand when a farm laborer would work over 10 hours in the sun for 100 baht per day. Last I heard, I think the minimum is nearer to 250-300 baht per day for such workers. But if this is insufficient to feed, clothe, and educate the family, much less pay for extras like medical care, the temptation to sacrifice one's own good for the good of the family increases.
Many years ago I attended the funeral in northern Thailand of a nine-year-old boy whose mother had given him HIV at his birth. She had already preceded him in death. Is it necessary to say how she acquired it?
Well done for replying.
Of course, while post count might be an indicator of one's loquaciousness, it does nothing to indicate one's experience. I've only been around the country for more than a couple decades.
Well if length of experience of LOS is of significance ( I don't think it is ), I've been involved with LOS for over 4 decades.
However, it is possible to remain in LOS for far longer than 20 years and know nothing about the scene other than what one reads in the media, which almost never tells the truth about it. The agenda is obvious.
Soooooo, what qualifies you to speak authoritatively about it?
It does puzzle me though that one with so few posts would seize on this as something to get involved in when LOS has so many problems of far greater import than a few girls/ boys having it off with farangs for some cash. How about getting involved with the exploitation of sweat shop workers, child exploitation ( not sexual ), forced sex in brothels that are NOT for farangs, poor educational standards, abused maids, corruption and if nothing else the plight of those farm labourers you are concerned about. In the larger picture, a few girls using their only asset to get more money than they could in a sweat shop is insignificant, yet to many, it assumes a far greater importance than it should.
Eliminating prostitution will not happen if the modus operandi is to simply shut down the brothels.
No disagreement there, but brothels play NO part of the farang scene. I would point out that I know next to nothing about the THAI scene, not being a user of that scene.
It could be that you are referring to the Thai scene, rather than the farang scene, but that is not a subject about which many on here can speak authoritatively, and so, as far as I'm concerned this thread is about the farang scene. Of course, others can address that scene if they wish.
But if this is insufficient to feed, clothe, and educate the family, much less pay for extras like medical care, the temptation to sacrifice one's own good for the good of the family increases.
Worth mentioning that there are many millions of adult Thai women that never get involved with the scene, either Thai or farang, no matter how dire their circumstances. The number that do is not great, proportionate to population, despite the more lurid accusations by the British gutter press.
I attended the funeral in northern Thailand of a nine-year-old boy whose mother had given him HIV at his birth. She had already preceded him in death. Is it necessary to say how she acquired it?
Actually yes. That proves nothing about prostitution as you don't say if she was a prostitute or not, and if she was, did she work with farangs or Thais?
Without knowing the facts, I can say it was probably from a Thai.
A guy called Meechai carried out a campaign to encourage Thais to use condoms to combat the spread of HIV. She almost certainly knew about condoms.
To continue would be pure speculation.
BTW, an unintended consequence of eliminating prostitution for farangs ( it's never going to happen for Thais ) would be a severe downturn in the number of farangs marrying Thai farm girls with a consequent severe reduction in the amount of money going to poor farming villages.
PS. If the scene in Pattaya the last time I went to stay in Pattaya is indicative, the scene is dying anyway, with bored bargirls too busy with their machine to tout for customers, high prices and increasing pressure from the authorities driving away customers.
Where the scene is functioning well though, is on line, and good luck to the government on stopping that, short of arresting any farang with a Thai girl in the street on suspicion of doing something enjoyable.
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1 minute ago, MaeJoMTB said:
Can't agree,
Did all the same stuff for my inlaws back in the UK, after 30 years, I was just something to be scraped off their shoes.
There is absolutely no point in being nice to a girls parents, just because you enjoy shagging her.
Their feeling for you will be ZERO when their daughter wants rid.
I don't even attempt to communicate with any of my wife's relatives, just put my headphones on or go out.
LOL. My western partner's hideous step mother made no secret of her dislike for me even at the start. Have to say her father and mother were OK, though her mother moved to Australia as soon as we moved in together ( so much for motherly love ), and her Brit stepfather was brilliant, despite being a tosser when he got drunk.
Funny thing, life. I had a few girlfriends where I liked their parents or flatmates more than them, in the end.
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20 hours ago, possum1931 said:
I am not trying to get at you, but is it not a bit stupid to pay a sin sot in the first place, it is a Thai custom, not yours.
If it keeps the old trout happy, why not? I even wai'd my MIL to keep the sour faced hag from grumpy land sweet. Of course there was no way she was keeping it.
I think that was the last time she acknowledged my existence.
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Having thought about it a bit, I'd say the motive for some farangs buying the family houses and stuff is because they think it will earn them brownie points and some gratitude.
Unfortunately for many, their Thais are probably like my ex family and don't possess a gratitude gene.
I can only imagine how many farangs have stood in shock and horror mumbling about how they bought the once beloved all that stuff, so why is she kicking them out; why are they not grateful?
IMO it's precisely because the farang bought all that stuff, and they don't need to keep some sucker they didn't even like much around any longer.
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19 hours ago, tweedledee2 said:
My wife and I have been married for 4 years and I have bought my MIL 3 items and she never asked for.any of them. She had an old refrigerator and if you opened the door to far, the top hinge pin would come out and the door would fall off. One Saturday, I was at Tesco and they were having a weekend appliance sell. I bought a Panasonic refrigerator and arranged delivery for the following Monday. Well Sunday afternoon, the MIL called my wife and was excited and in tears because Tesco had just delivered it. Then one time when we went to visit, the FIL was trying to make 1 good fan from parts from a second. So the next week I bought a Sharp floor fan and took it to her. I couldn't understand much of what she was saying but her smile I'll never forget. Last Summer, I bought a 32" Sharp TV to replace the 20" she had. I took it to her home set it up and left, while she was visiting a neighbor. Didn't need to see her face to know she would be happy and thankful.
Hmmmm, my ex family got 4 fridges out of me, 3 fans, 2 shower heaters, AC, a flat screen tv and a dvd player. Not only did they not smile in happiness and gratitude at their good fortune, they threw me out of the house at the first opportunity, and never let me go back to get my stuff. Some people are sunshine, and some are robbing scumbags.
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20 hours ago, johnmcc6 said:
I replaced a second hand tin shed for a proper kitchen and will soon do a bathroom make over. Why? Because I can. They have never asked a thing from me. They also returned sin sot money. Trying to live at their age with no water pressure and a bucket is not on. It's all under the heading of family.
There is absolutely nothing wrong with making life a bit more comfortable for the rellies. Building houses for them does not come in that category.
I rewired two of the rellies houses and put a shower heater in the bathroom, but that was no biggie financially wise and gave me something to do.
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10 minutes ago, MaeJoMTB said:
Never met a Thai girl that had family land any place I'd consider visiting.
My wife has plenty of family land, all in backwood rural shit-holes.
Now, her friend has 100rai of chanoted debt free land behind MaeJo uni ........ but is so ugly ..... no way!
My wife had land in the village and the family house was debt free. The area was beautiful. I could have lived there happily for the rest of my life except her horrid family also lived there. In every scene of perfection there is something to stuff it up.
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22 hours ago, wombat said:
you have two choices, the old dear live with you or not.
pick your option depending on how you have been 'groomed'When my MIL had the opportunity to come live with us, she didn't want to. Whether that was because she disliked me as much as I dislike her I'll never know.
I only offered because she wasn't much longer for that reincarnation, and it would have been better all round if my wife hadn't needed to go look after her in the village all the time.
As for the OP, I have to agree with the poster that said "stupidity".
Funny how sons in law are not known for building MILs houses back where ever they came from.
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On 2/27/2018 at 7:01 AM, Gecko123 said:
I'm surprised that you aren't aware of any underlying tensions between foreign women and guys with younger Thai wives.
That puts me in mind of the time I went on a tour to Kanchanaburi with my very much older than she looked Thai GF ( mother of 2 ), and had to put up with daggers coming at me from a pair of middle aged Australian women on the bus.
At the end they made a great show of saying goodbye to every other ( western ) person on the tour but deliberately ignoring me.
There was a time in my life I might have felt embarrassed by their obvious disapproval, but by then I just had to control my internal mirth at them.
BTW, it was 20 years ago, so I wasn't even that much older that her.
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On 2/26/2018 at 10:31 PM, Tapster said:
The dynamic has very simply been that a group of 'Western' men with Thai wives/partners act like a group of Western men who are drinking on their own. It is rare that the Thai partners are brought fully into the conversation and often there ends up being a group of Thai women talking together, and a group of Western men having a few beers together. The role of a Western woman in this is fraught. Does she try to join the Thai women or does she stay with the guys. In the first case her lack of Thai and their lack of English usually make for an interesting exchange but nothing to base a friendship on. In the second case, she's obviously not 'one of the lads' so often feels like a fifth wheel.
Interesting on many levels.
I don't think it is just farang men with Thai wives that split into men and women groups- a universal response, IMO.
However, I don't know why a group of male friends would want women they don't know or care about trying to join in.
Also, Thai women would have nothing in common with a group of farang men, IMO. I never found Thai women's conversation to be of interest as I'm not excessively interested in food.
A western woman in the anticipated situation of being the only western woman would be advised to do what I did when my wife went out socialising and do something else. She probably, even if she speaks conversational Thai, has nothing in common with them other than genitalia, and no group of men wishing to talk about "guy stuff" wants a solo female ( unless they all know her well and she is able to speak "guy talk" ) cramping the conversation.
I guess I was lucky back home when I was younger and I fell in with a group of men and women that had a lot in common, and were able to all socialise together, but they all grew up together, and I was fortunate in being invited into the group.
I can't imagine I'd find any such equivalent in LOS.
Frankly, I was quite at ease with not going out with my wife to her social functions, which invariably involved large amounts of alcohol, and music played far too loudly. As for a group of western men, while I would not reject the opportunity to join a group of like minded males, I have no desire to frequent expats clubs, though I did try, just in case.
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Entertaining thread.
Probably don't have a service for the same reason I can't find tinned spaghetti in Thailand- TiT.
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On 2/23/2018 at 12:04 PM, overherebc said:
Seems things are going OTT in UK nowadays. I could see the point of all that for a non UK person but for smeone born and raised there seems too much.
Next will be a police report from anywhere if you go on a 6 month holiday.
I disagree. Taxi drivers are in a position to behave badly and should have a clean record to do the job, just like children's nurses, police and teachers should.
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12 hours ago, tonbridgebrit said:
Interesting comments.
Okay, why do people have something against Xi ? Is it because we reckon that he is going to harm the people of China ? Or, is it because we reckon he might harm people who are outside of China ? As in, he might harm us ??
Doesn't matter what Xi is like now, if he is in power indefinitely he will, IMO, become corrupt. Should be term limits on ALL politicians.
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PM Prayut urges all parties concerned to help solve prostitution problem
in Thailand News
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They could close every farang bar in LOS and it won't make any difference. Mongers will just arrange a lady for fun before arriving by using the internet.