1 minute ago, Lacessit said:

I'm wondering if shipping is similarly affected. Perhaps not.

There are presumably fixed overheads on aircraft that still have to be paid, and any aircraft bought on finance which is not in the air with 80% of the seats filled is a money pit.

Most shipping now is cargo related, so that should not be affected too much. If the world shipping industry goes bankrupt the world economy really is in trouble.

The good news is that there probably won't be the massive expansion of air travel that had been planned. Hopefully countries will be building better rail systems instead.

1 minute ago, ezzra said:

many business that were operating with hand to mouth revenue stream will, without support will have to go bust...

Hopefully the airline I flew to Cyprus with will be one of them. Worst airline I ever flew with, IMO.

1 minute ago, soalbundy said:

Oh dear, the UK may have to buy them from the EU, manufacturing inefficiencies showing up already, never mind, as yet there will be no customs snarl up

It's hard to remember that the industrial revolution started in Britain and Britain probably led the world in manufacturing till at least WW1. Seems they were so keen to destroy industry in Britain post WW2 that they can't really make much at all any more. Don't make their own cars, don't make ships, don't make planes without other countries helping. Rather sad, really.

8 hours ago, mauGR1 said:

Yes, overpopulation is a real problem, and the root of many other problems.

Actually it's not the virus who scares me, but what will be the reaction of billions of people to the huge economic crashes, which will be inevitable if this situation lasts for half a year ?

Agree 100%. all the restrictions may save many, but ruin the economies of the world to the extent that many more will be reduced to poverty, and then it'll really .

29 minutes ago, englishoak said:

They will cope because there is no option.

and people will have to accept that they may not get a ventilator because it's not possible. Check out what is happening in Italy.

24 minutes ago, englishoak said:

they can train students for a one task function easily enough and the thats all there is to it.

Hmmmmm. The ( nursing ) students might have other ideas about that. After all they should actually know something about what is involved. I'd be interested to know if they are trying to get retired nurses to be prepared to work in hospitals if it does go wrong, though many were so happy to get out of the NHS that they may be reluctant to go back.

6 hours ago, dunroaming said:

The economic fallout from this pandemic is going to be staggering.  

IMO think the depression but worse. At least during the depression most people kept working, but if it goes on like governments want, thousands of small businesses go broke, tourist industry goes down the tubes ( and that's everyone connected with tourism ) and millions stay at home, what will be left when it's all over? Seems to me the "cure" could be worse than the disease.

Apparently selection competitions are being cancelled, so how will they know who can go even if it's on?

2 minutes ago, sirineou said:

Anyone who does not think that experimental science with no immediate is important, should reconsider it next time he flips the switch to turn on the lights. Just because we do one, does not mean we should not do the other.  

 

  

I never said it was one or the other. They should do both.

17 minutes ago, mauGR1 said:

Tbh, i doubt things like corona can be prevented, moreover it's not impossible that it has been created on purpose.

I've been saying for ages that Gaia is going to do something about overpopulation, so, perhaps Gaia created Corona and Ebola and SARS and Swine flue etc etc etc.

4 minutes ago, Basil B said:

What a joke, do they realise just what is involved.

 

1st a design. then it is unlikely any company can make all the components, let alone medical grade, so this needs to be an open sources very basic, no frills design, with specialist companies tendering to make the components.

All the disposable components are made from plastic ie OIL, which the climate change people want to stop being pumped. Bet they change their minds now.

Much of the machines are also made from plastic, as are all syringes, IV components, instruments, etc. Hospitals use vast amounts of oil based items.

On 3/15/2020 at 11:50 PM, NCC1701A said:

as i was saying on another topic it is completely possible the next step here is Thai immigration will follow suit for Farangs with retirement extension of stay.

 

now that they see this they may copy the UK.   

I lived in an hotel room. How would I be expected to stay in it when no kitchen etc?

On 3/15/2020 at 11:39 PM, mixed said:

I am supposed to fly back to Australia for ten days tomorrow. Now I am being asked to self isolate for 2 weeks, which would be done at my parents house, they are both over 75. Then I don't know if I'll be allowed back into Thailand in 10 days, as it could have gotten crazy by then.

 

So I won't fly. The ticket was cheap, I don't think a refund or even change of date was allowed. Does anyone think I have a chance of getting anything back from the Qantas? It wouldn't have to be money, another flight on a different date would be fine.

They should give you back the tax, if nothing else.

41 minutes ago, sirineou said:

Sure all systems have faults, but the for profit system has the "by definition" fatal flaw.

There are some things that the for profit system does better given the incentive, and then there are others .................. Public health is not one to be left to human greed IMO.

The government should have a "Manhattan Project"  working on this continuously. SARS was not the last virus and I guarantee you, this one is not going to be the last one also. 

     Perhaps an International effort is requires, something similar to the Large Hadron Collider project. 

Good example. They'll spend untold on a machine that doesn't save a single life, but nothing on preventing things like Corona.

3 minutes ago, mauGR1 said:

ohh, you were talking about a movie..

I think not, i am not fond of movies, although occasionally i enjoy a good one. The Matrix was ok.

Google Men in Black+ belt of Orion

Just now, mauGR1 said:

uhm, not sure i can follow you there, but i think the same pattern we can see in the solar system mirrors the pattern of the whole universe.

"As above, as below".

You didn't see the movie, did you?

37 minutes ago, mauGR1 said:

In theory, the solar system is an atom, and every atom is a solar system, with little beings arguing about the existence of God.

and all the atoms are in a ball which is on the collar of a dog.

1 minute ago, Chazar said:

that wont go down well in the land of bs

That reminds me of when I told a ( western ) female friend that my Thai wife put my shoes on for me. She was so offended at me that I didn't tell her anything more about all the things a Thai wife does that make them so much better than a western model. Seemed a wise thing to do.

2 minutes ago, lovethai123 said:

Ok, thanks. Let me try. 

 

I am already fed up of my money going to raise kids who aren't mine. 

My first ( western ) partner managed to get me to support one of her children financially till I left her. I was really stupid back then, but I wasn't alone by any means. Western world is full of men supporting stepchildren.