thaibeachlovers
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So what? If it's too sleazy and dirty for them there will always be a new crop. Or so the Thais think and why shouldn't they?
The crop may have gone from high yield to low yield
now days.
its a bit like the pie is the same but the filling is diluted.
Are you talking about the buyers, or the sellers ?
Both.
Low grade Chinese tourists, ( little money to spend)
Way to many business selling the same things
Way to many business selling the same things
That is the Asian way. In Singapore when I was living there in the 70s ( so ages ago ) a big building called Chinatown had about 200 shops all next to each other selling sari cloth. Never could work out how the guys in the middle ever made any money.
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Talking of clueless visitors, the best example I ever saw was the farang woman that emerged from her hotel on 2nd Rd dressed up to the nines on the LAST day of Songkran thinking that none of the thousands of people throwing water around would target her. She walked off up the road only to return about 5 minutes later soaked through.
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Sorry mate lost in translation.
don't know what your on about
Pattaya was built on the sex trade.
May be you should have one less chang then.
Excuse me.
But my point is people come here for the sex trade
that's way they don't go to Spain !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Always have done always will.
despite how people want to dress it up.
Yes, many do, but thousands get fooled into thinking Pattaya is a family destination by the travel agent lies, and they didn't come for the sex trade. So my point still stands that THOSE people could find a beach and a resort with a swimming pool in Spain.
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Don't get taken in by real estate agents. They get 50% commission and have minimum prices such as 10k a month, etc.. Ridiculous. A Thai fan room should go for 2-3k a month and is fine if you get a good breeze. I would open the door and windows and have a big fan blowing all day to keep the humidity down. Most of the landlords make most of their profits from the extortionate electric prices so by renting a fan room you pay much less.
2-3 thousand a month!!!!!!! What would that be for then? I paid 5 just off Buakhao, but it was a decent room, not something only large enough for a bed. I did see some places for less than 5, but I wouldn't stay in them.
Absolutely no need to go near a real estate agent. Deal directly with the owner.
Yes, electricity is expensive due to overcharging by landlord/ lady.
No, no need for AC.
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You obviously haven't read all my posts over many threads , but never mind. I LOVE Central malls - most excellent places for burdwatching. I'd be happy with it in Naklua, I'd be delighted with it in Jomptien, I'd even be ecstatic about it in Sri Ratcha if they built that jolly old monorail they keep muttering about. Even if they built it on Sukhumvit I'd be OK with it. No, it's just being built on Beach Rd that I don't like. It was built in an attempt to appeal to a different demographic of tourist, but all that has happened is that the new tourists never came and the mongers left- lose lose for Pattaya, or rather the people that work there.
Yes, you are absolutely correct - I don't follow you around from thread to thread and reply based on what you think I should have read in other threads. I haven't even read all your posts here. I make my replies based on what is said in the post I'm replying to, but never mind...
My comment about you not liking Central Festival was about Central Festival in Pattaya, not Central Malls in general. You made that quite clear in a number of previous posts that I DID read.
Personally I much prefer Central Festival than Central World.
Not sure if you are deliberately misinterpreting what I say or not, but...........
I didn't expect you to follow me around reading what I say. I only made the comment as I have only said I want Central Festival to be elsewhere, not that I dislike/ hate it itself. If I did that I wouldn't go in it, but I do. If it wasn't where it is, I'd go to use it somewhere else.
Agree it's better than Central World, but I'm sure you do know that Central World wasn't always a Central, and was built to be the premier mall in Bkk for the elites.
To the guy that constantly complains that my posts are boring- solution simple, put me on ignore and you never need to read anything I write again. Perhaps that is too easy though
.If you're complaining about another poster, please do it in a separate reply to him. I have no issue with your postings.
I do think you're going on about the location of Central far too much though. You have repeated that enough times for me to remember well your feelings about the location. The developers of a major hotel/mall complex are after return on investment, they are not part of a city's future expansion plans. You may be aware too that whenever there are special events, these are usually located at the center of beach road, right in front of Central Mall. They couldn't have found a better location. Before Central Mall opened, business was too focused on the southern end of Beach Road near Walking Street and the area where the mall is now was a back water. Now it's one of the main areas of the city.
Apologies about including reference to a different poster in reply to you, but TV is now so slow here, that it would take over 5 minutes to reply to you and then wait for the page to load again so I could reply to him, so just trying to save a few minutes of my life for something more interesting than waiting for TV's software to process every change I make.
As for return on investment, the non food shops don't seem to be doing too well on that. Loads of people looking and eating, but sod all buying the overpriced clothes on display.
You may be aware too that whenever there are special events, these are usually located at the center of beach road, right in front of Central Mall.
Hmmmmm. They have been having special events ( that I attended in person ) in that area since long before Central was a glimmer in a property developer's eye. Perhaps that was why they built it there, rather than elsewhere.
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Australia is a country that can walk and chew gum at the same time. No need to penalise the worse off in society when there are a bunch of things we can do elsewhere first.
Thanks samran for posting this data...What are we talking about numbers wise here? Isn't it circa:
Couples: $2700 per month
Singles: $1800 per month
On top of that - pensioners card discounts, medicare, cheap presciptions.
This is my take on the Situation.
The difference between Couples and Singles is too big a gap, the way i see it...Now...If one of the couple on $2700 per month dies for unforeseeable circumstances, and the other Partner still surviving is reduced by around $900 per month to $1800...They are in one hell of a hole. because the debts (living) still go on...Sure...people may say, you just adjust, but that stress on old people, can be horrific. They feel completely lost....
One of the greatest pleasures i get is, when i visit some people I know in this situation, is to drop off a tray of meat, when i visit them.
Could you imagine trying to make ends meet on $1800 per month? in Aus...Thats around $450 per week...You can spend that just on paying rates, power, and every other thing thats got to be paid....discounts and all....So wheres the food money coming from?...without even mentioning any kind of luxury.
The basic entitlement, at least in my opinion should be raised by at least $100 per week, to even come close to a bit of dignity in their last few years...Take it out of the Refugee or Dole Bludgers fund, to make it possible....But do it, wouldnt you agree?
About Pensioners... who play the pokies to pass the time, sometimes on a daily basis, DONT play dollar machines....They usually play the one cent ones and are excited when they win $5 and bust out on a Coffee and piece of cake...When they win $20 jackpots, that is taken home for food in the pantry....
Look after people who haven't been as fortunate, for what ever reason, as some.. they sure could use our support....
The main issue is the revenue base as been eroded away. During the mining boom successive governemts gave away massive tax breaks to win votes. Didn't matter until the boom went bust and more recent govenments found that without mining royalties from $200/t iron ore and $150/t thermal coal, what was left wasn't enough to cover ongoing expected liabilities.
Superannuatiom loopholes need to be closed, the deisel fuel rebate needs to be wound back. Getting rid of the 30% free money the government gives to private health issuers so we get hit with crappy out of pocket expenses when we use the private instead of the excellent public system needs to go. And yes, we need to put the GST on more things.
GST needs to be increased on luxuries, not the commonplace used by low income people. 50% GST on luxury yachts, holiday homes over 1 million $ etc perhaps?
I'd also like to see a flat tax that increases by 10% for each million income, with NO loopholes, so the rich can't employ an army of accountants to avoid paying tax, as they do. Be a lot of unemployed accountants, but then they might have to find out what the world of the average bloke is like.
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What are we talking about numbers wise here? Isn't it circa:
Couples: $2700 per month
Singles: $1800 per month
On top of that - pensioners card discounts, medicare, cheap presciptions.
All depends on other factors as to whether any amount of money is enough though.
In NZ, rents are being driven so high that anyone on a fixed income is having to pay so much in rent that they have too little to pay for food, etc.
My pension is under $300 a week, but average rents for a one bedroom flat exceed $300 a week. Rent top up is capped at $100. How the frack can I rent a place and still eat, go to the dentist, drive a car on what the government deems to be all that I am worth?
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Sorry mate lost in translation.
don't know what your on about
Pattaya was built on the sex trade.
I was talking about tourists staying at hotels with swimming pools. Don't know why you think I was on about the sex trade, and people don't stay in hotels with swimming pools because they think every sun lounger comes with a free bargirl.
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You obviously haven't read all my posts over many threads , but never mind. I LOVE Central malls - most excellent places for burdwatching. I'd be happy with it in Naklua, I'd be delighted with it in Jomptien, I'd even be ecstatic about it in Sri Ratcha if they built that jolly old monorail they keep muttering about. Even if they built it on Sukhumvit I'd be OK with it. No, it's just being built on Beach Rd that I don't like. It was built in an attempt to appeal to a different demographic of tourist, but all that has happened is that the new tourists never came and the mongers left- lose lose for Pattaya, or rather the people that work there.
Yes, you are absolutely correct - I don't follow you around from thread to thread and reply based on what you think I should have read in other threads. I haven't even read all your posts here. I make my replies based on what is said in the post I'm replying to, but never mind...
My comment about you not liking Central Festival was about Central Festival in Pattaya, not Central Malls in general. You made that quite clear in a number of previous posts that I DID read.
Personally I much prefer Central Festival than Central World.
Not sure if you are deliberately misinterpreting what I say or not, but...........
I didn't expect you to follow me around reading what I say. I only made the comment as I have only said I want Central Festival to be elsewhere, not that I dislike/ hate it itself. If I did that I wouldn't go in it, but I do. If it wasn't where it is, I'd go to use it somewhere else.
Agree it's better than Central World, but I'm sure you do know that Central World wasn't always a Central, and was built to be the premier mall in Bkk for the elites.
To the guy that constantly complains that my posts are boring- solution simple, put me on ignore and you never need to read anything I write again. Perhaps that is too easy though
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Maybe it has something to do what this town was built on.
Absolutely not. Go to Hua Hin or any of the islands and all the expensive hotels have pools, despite being right by the sea. Even Chiang Mai is full of hotel pools. No you know what of any consequence in those places.
Are you referring to me ?
I was replying to you. "You know what" refers to "what this town was built on".
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You sure about that or are you just guessing ?
There is a second one, that I assume is also still there, but it is between soi 7 and 8.
So yes I'm pretty sure that there has always been only 1 between where Central now is and Walking street.
I'm pretty sure I said Central ROAD, not Central FESTIVAL.
Ok, you win, there were always only 2 gogo's and they are still there. Hey wait, that mean you lose.
I said "Beach Rd was basically a barbeer/ gogo strip from Central Rd to what is now Walking Street- no flash hotels and no condos."
Where do I say that the gogos have gone?
Many of the barbeers between Soi 8 and Yamato have gone though. Central and probably the condo next to it saw a lot of them off, at both ends.
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I don't get the swimming pool obsession myself, but it's real enough. I know someone that would only stay in an hotel with a pool, and most tourists seem to spend a very long time lying beside it. Crazy, barking world we live in, pay lots of money to sit by a pool thousands of miles away, when could go to Spain, if in Europe, or Florida if in the US.
Maybe it has something to do what this town was built on.
Absolutely not. Go to Hua Hin or any of the islands and all the expensive hotels have pools, despite being right by the sea. Even Chiang Mai is full of hotel pools. No you know what of any consequence in those places.
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The only gogo that has ever been on beach road is still there.
You sure about that or are you just guessing ?
There is a second one, that I assume is also still there, but it is between soi 7 and 8.
So yes I'm pretty sure that there has always been only 1 between where Central now is and Walking street.
I'm pretty sure I said Central ROAD, not Central FESTIVAL.
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So Pattaya is getting much beter then????
Yes!
What's the worst that can happen? Unprofitable businesses close down and we have less shops, restaurants and bars.
less shops, restaurants and bars
Yes, yes ,yes
I dream of a Pattaya like it was way back when I first arrived. No doubt many on here would say it was "dead" back then, as hardly any condos, no horrid high rise in front of the lookout, no decrepit marina, no broken parking building on the Bali Hi park ( actually no Bali Hi at all ), no Central/ Hilton ( hurrah ), a pleasant walkway with shade and seats, half the present day traffic, the only malls were Central near Soi 1, Mikes and Royal Garden, which had movies at 50 baht.
Restaurants were dirt cheap, hotels were 300 baht, and Walking Street was just a street.
As they had just sorted out the sewage, no smells.
Beach Rd was basically a barbeer/ gogo strip from Central Rd to what is now Walking Street- no flash hotels and no condos.
Paradise.
I know you don't like Central Festival Mall, but despite dropping tourist numbers to the area, it's not going anywhere. It will stand the test of time. I was up in Bangkok at Central World a few days ago, and it also didn't seem busy and even quieter than Central Mall in Pattaya, but it's also there to stay. I just don't know how some of the shops manage to survive year after year. Zen and Paragon Department stores are a mystery to me - how do these overpriced stores stay afloat. No one seems to be buying anything and they have hundreds of staff just standing there doing nothing. Other shops at Siam Paragon were totally deserted - on the weekend even.
You obviously haven't read all my posts over many threads , but never mind. I LOVE Central malls - most excellent places for burdwatching. I'd be happy with it in Naklua, I'd be delighted with it in Jomptien, I'd even be ecstatic about it in Sri Ratcha if they built that jolly old monorail they keep muttering about. Even if they built it on Sukhumvit I'd be OK with it. No, it's just being built on Beach Rd that I don't like. It was built in an attempt to appeal to a different demographic of tourist, but all that has happened is that the new tourists never came and the mongers left- lose lose for Pattaya, or rather the people that work there.
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Talk about Japan. Yes, Japan's GDP per person has not shrunk since 1990, but everybody in economics knows that Japan has practically been in recession since 1990. The Nikkei Dow Jones Index is still far lower today than what it was at it's peak in the late 1980s !
And from wikipedia, "The Japanese population is rapidly aging as a result of a post–World War II baby boom followed by a decrease in birth rates. In 2012, about 24.1 percent of the population was over 65, and the proportion is projected to rise to almost 40 percent by 2050". And also "Japan's population is expected to drop to 95 million by 2050;[166][171] demographers and government planners are currently in a heated debate over how to cope with this problem".
Basically, Japan has got problems, and no, there will not be an increase in the number of Japanese tourists in London and Paris (and indeed, in Thailand too). That's because there's less and less Japanese as time goes by.
That map that has been put up. Who are "Stratfor Global Inteeligence" ??
Some of the views, regarding the 16 nations who are going to replace China, are absurd ! Yes, Mexico, does have a bright future. They might as well scrap the Mexico-USA border because it's becoming irrelevant. America needs new and 'competitively priced' labour, yes, it makes sense to draft in the Mexicans. The other nations in the Americas on that map, there populations are far too small to have an impact on world trade (America and the EU's imports).
Africa ? They didn't mention South Africa and Nigeria, the two biggest economies in Africa. And those two countries are unfortunately still massively reliant on their exports of natural resources to generate very mdest economic growth. Nobody reckons that Ethiopia and Tanzania will be exporting flat-screen televisions to the EU and America in the future !
The Asian nations ? Cambodia and Laos have insignicant population sizes, and are Vietnam's exports of manufactured goods growing faster than China's growth ?? Burma is a closed nation, the junta there is not actually interested in opening up Burma to trade and tourism, they've been in charge for decades.
Indonesa and the Phillippines lack the infra-strucure needed. They've simply not expanded their manufacturing bases for decades, why have belief that they will replace China when it comes to exporting a mountain of cheap goods to China ? What's going to happen in the next two decades that will be going to expand their manufacturing bases, bearing in mind that it hasn't happened so far ?
It would be easier to consider that the EU will be re-building it's factories in Poland and Romania (and Bulgaria) and trying to make it's own goods rather than import from China. But this scenario does look pretty unlikely !!
Why is a declining Japanese population a problem? They've invested heavily into robots. Automation will take care of much of the worker demand. All across the world, automation is going to leave legions of people unemployed and unemployable. And there will be less stress on the environment (unlike polluted, dangerous, filthy China) with fewer people. Japan looks like the future to me. Population ponzi schemes are a road to disaster.
Japan's population decline is a problem. In the future, maybe over half of all people in Japan will be over 65 and retired. Any society will have problems if this happens. Not enough young people working to pay for pensions (today's pensioners get their pensions from today's tax payers, future pensioners need future workers to pay tax for their pensions), and not enough young people to work in care homes and hospitals for old people.
Also, some Japanese are stressed about their population declining. It's not nice to know that your country's population is continiously falling. There's the mad theory that says, one day in the future, there won't be any Japanese left on planet earth. It's crazy, yes, but in theory, it might happen. You can have a big pile of cash, if a tiny bit goes everyday, yes, it will disappear to nothing.
Japan can import new foreign workers, but they won't. They're too racist to draft in foreigners. Note that America imports Mexicans, and the EU drafts in Africans and Asians. That thing about Muslims going to Germany, yes, Germany wants new workers.
Back to China. Yes, China is dirty and polluted, well yes, somebody on planet earth has to produce steel and other products. Manufactured goods need to be made somewhere. America and the EU don't actually want factories polluting America and the EU. I can't see new factories being built in Africa to replace the Chinese ones. Africa has always exported it's natural resources to make money. Nigeria and South Africa are the biggest African economies, they rely on exporting natural resources and not manufactured goods. The attempt to massively expand the manufacturing sector in Nigeria and South Africa has unfortunately not worked.
If Japan won't import workers to pay tax then they deserve everything they are going to get.
not enough young people to work in care homes and hospitals for old people.
If you'd ever had anything to do with looking after old people you'd know why young people won't do that. Underpaid and treated like rubbish- only the desperate will look after the aged.
Of course, once automation really kicks in, young people won't get any real work, so the aged care industry will get all the desperate workers they need.
Anyway, they will just build robots to do everything- that is the future.
Countries that won't make it attractive for post 65 years olds to work are stupid. 65 is only late middle age now, not on death's door like 100 years ago. I won't work in a paid job because they make no concessions for me to do so, and I'd rather be poor and happy than working for a bad boss ( most of my bosses, and I've had a lot, were rubbish ) and unhappy.
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This is news? LOL.
The crash is no more unexpected than the tide coming in.
The 1% make the market go up, so the mugs rush in and buy, then they make it go down, so that they can clean up and get even richer.
Till the mugs wise up and stop playing the 1% 's game it will always be so.
To Publicus, Singapore was virtually a one party state, and it was brilliant in the 70s. Haven't lived there since then so can't comment on the present, but it seems to be doing OK. It's countries with too many parties that seem to be doing badly- can't get anything done.
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IMHO, Islam, as a religion, is simply a couple of hundred years behind the mainstream religions, and as such, is mimicking the atrocities committed throughout recorded history.... By Christianity and pagan religions
I'm not sure were the thread picked up on sacrifice, but this poor woman was not sacrificed, she was murdered, for having a different belief to the son, as has been the case with so many unfortunates, especially since the rise of ISIS.
But if we are to talk of sacrifice to a religion, I believe that the dishonor of histories worst sacrifice goes to the Catholic Church, when Simon de montfort's army, attacked the city of beziers, which supported a mixture of "true" Christians and cathars ( who were also Christians, just following a different drummer).
At that time, the city was of an equivalent size to London...., and every man woman and child was killed ( just putting it in perspective)
When asked by a soldier, who should be spared, as it was seemingly impossible to tell the difference between cathars and " true Christians, the armies priest responded with that infamous saying " kill them all, and let God sort them out" ( some 40,000 souls sacrificed, I believe)
Then came the inquisitions, and in that period, all, including children were encouraged to report transgressions by family, friends and neighbors
A heretic was sentenced to death most horrible... Famously the head of the order of solomans temple ( Knights Templar), who were undoubtedly Christian, self charged with protecting pilgrims to the holy land.
The inquisitors, over many years, murdered their own... Or sacrificed them, if you will, in the most inhumane of ways.... And if you weren't a Christian, you were killed anyway
This is were Islam is at the moment... Hence my comment about Islam being a couple of hundred years behind mainstream religions of today.
So.... For them, this type of thing is normal... For the more progressive person, it is horrendous... But it is their belief, and they have the right to their religion, and I believe that enlightened societies protect the rights of individuals to follow whatever faith they wish to follow.
Am I saying it's right... Hell no... Religion in any form is unacceptable to me, and I believe it is for the uneducated... Violence in the name of religion is appalling.
That said, Religion has undoubtedly had its place in history, as law makers and enforcers of law... But in modern times, we have parliaments and police forces etc, so religions are antiquated.
We simply have to wait for Islam to evolve into a benevolent organization... Unfortunately this may take a hundred years, and during this time, we have to develop counter measures to protect ourselves.
Considering Islam hasn't changed in 1500 years, I find it surprising you think it will be reformed in the next century. You also might consider Islam's first external policies were about conquering and forcing non believers into submission whereas Christians made policy about caring for widows and orphans. Hardly a parallel path. What people did with Christianity after the Romans got hold of it, is just another story of corruption, which is human nature unfortunately. Things have improved since the inquisition. But to corrupt Islam, you would have to make it more tolerant.
You seem to know little about Islam. Charity is one of the pillars of Islam ( caring for widows and orphans ).
The insane scum that believe in terrorism are no more Muslim than the Inquisitors were Christian.
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I have read those reviews as well. It would seem that many tourists never return because the beach is so polluted, in fact it seems the main complaint. Im surprized (not) that this isnt being taken seriously by local business. Wouldnt expect city hall to care but surely the beach hotels would do something to protect their futures. As an aside, at low tide on the beach opposite the Hilton you can stand in the warm slimy water that is the overflow from the Hiltons toilets and restaurants, but they are one place thats doing well so I guess they dont care either.
Why would the beach hotel managements care? The more outside the gates is offputting, the less likely the guests are to leave the grounds, thus eating at the hotel restaurants, shopping in the hotel arcade. They all provide a swimming pool, so no need to go to the beach anyway.
There is obviously a never ending supply of gullible western tourists that do no more research on Pattaya than look at the pictures in a travel brochure.
The beach polluted, LOL. Compared to the years of the great stink some 30 odd years ago, the sea now is pristine.
I was just posting the views of many people that have posted their reviews on websites, they wont be returning, might be a never ending supply but is it enough to fill the hotels, doesnt seem to be this year and can only get worse. Pattaya is a long way to travel for a hotel with a swimming pool.
I don't get the swimming pool obsession myself, but it's real enough. I know someone that would only stay in an hotel with a pool, and most tourists seem to spend a very long time lying beside it. Crazy, barking world we live in, pay lots of money to sit by a pool thousands of miles away, when could go to Spain, if in Europe, or Florida if in the US.
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So Pattaya is getting much beter then????
Yes!
What's the worst that can happen? Unprofitable businesses close down and we have less shops, restaurants and bars.
less shops, restaurants and bars
Yes, yes ,yes
I dream of a Pattaya like it was way back when I first arrived. No doubt many on here would say it was "dead" back then, as hardly any condos, no horrid high rise in front of the lookout, no decrepit marina, no broken parking building on the Bali Hi park ( actually no Bali Hi at all ), no Central/ Hilton ( hurrah ), a pleasant walkway with shade and seats, half the present day traffic, the only malls were Central near Soi 1, Mikes and Royal Garden, which had movies at 50 baht.
Restaurants were dirt cheap, hotels were 300 baht, and Walking Street was just a street.
As they had just sorted out the sewage, no smells.
Beach Rd was basically a barbeer/ gogo strip from Central Rd to what is now Walking Street- no flash hotels and no condos.
Paradise.
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This OP's premise is the apology requested by CAIR CAIR is the facade of islamic jihad/Lawfare Jihad in America
CAIR is not an "advocacy group" (not in the manner this deceitful byline suggests). CAIR is a front group with the express goal of sedition- the overthrow of the United States of America. 1. CAIR is an unindicted co-conspirator in terrorism- FBI. 2. CAIR just lost a lawsuit (most points) because an employee exposed CAIR and co wrote a book called "Muslim Mafia." CAIR asserts mercenary motives of the employee should stop book publishing. The courts ruled that such a motive, if true, does not immunize CAIR from the points raised in the book- it is a "Muslim Mafia," (my emphasis). 3. Other nations have recognized and banned CAIR as an extension of the Muslim Brotherhood's Civilization Jihad. 4. CAIR and the MB are uniquely aided and abetted by the Obama administration (this is beyond dispute), to include lifting travel restrictions on MB terrorists et al to enter the US unhindered, appointing Muslim Brotherhood member to the highest levels of Homeland Security.
Paying attention to the invention and development of this issue reveals all one needs to know about the mechanics of the Muslim Mafia in America. They consistently use the power of foreign monies to leverage enemies in protracted court battles to a) silence opposition to their Civilization Jihad, B ) force compliance or capitulation on islamic accommodations, and C) use legal mechanics to force "discovery" of their enemies knowledge/documents. (In fact, this last point was the singular reason CAIR had their arse handed to them in the courts for repeatedly refusing themselves to comply with discovery as they attempted to sue/Lawfare the authors of the book, "Muslim Mafia."
Americans/UK and Europeans had better wake up: CAIR/Muslim Brotherhood are not your friends and are certainly not "advocates" for anything wholesome and American/British/Western/Enlightened/Modern/Liberal. How foolish can one possibly be? These are not "advocacy" groups, not for any end you want your children inheriting. The Muslim Brotherhood is not to Islam what the Illuminati is to the NWO theorists- the Muslim Brotherhood is an overt (and covert) organization with the avowed goal of islamically globalizing the world and restoring the Kaliphah. No secrets here, only self delusion and self dhimmitude.
Understand the network and where CAIR fits into this longstanding seditious plan to overthrow America. It is a bold as it is repulsive.
http://www.discoverthenetworks.org/printgroupProfile.asp?grpid=6176
http://www.clarionproject.org/Muslim_Brotherhood_Explanatory_Memorandum#
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2014/11/17/us-group-cair-added-to-terror-list-by-united-arab-emirates.html
http://www.investigativeproject.org/1854/doj-cairs-unindicted-co-conspirator-status-legit#
By legal definition, what you have said is hate speech. Incomprehensibly hypocritical from someone who just a few days ago alleged that only the Left uses illogical, fallacious and emotional language against their political foes. You long list of websites does not include http://www.anti-cair-net.org Why not? Is that too obviously a nexus of recognisable hate speech.
1. CAIR is an unindicted co-conspirator in terrorism. Clearly you have no evidence except slander otherwise they would be indicted. CAIR is an entity which is not responsible for the actions of individual members or associates, only for what the governing body does in its name. You should either present evidence of the involvement of CAIR in terrorism or withdraw the slander.
2. CAIR tried to suppress a 'tell all' book by a disgruntled former associate and lost the court case. The fact that CAIR was not successful in suppressing the book does not immediately validate the entire contents of that book. The attempt of suppression is no different from other organisations that want to manage their brand and the fact that they lost is a victory for the courts and free speech in America. However you use this as a vindication of the term Muslim Mafia. What does this mean? Well clearly you are making implications but with no substance. Perhaps you might provide the definition of Muslim Mafia used by the author of the said book so that people can determine the context for such incendiary speech?
3. Which nations have banned CAIR and for what reason under what laws? Do you mean Israel? Why should anyone just take what you are saying at face value?
4. Neither CAIR or the Muslim Brotherhood of Egypt has been classified as a terrorist organisation by anyone apart from Ted Cruz and his sort of 'people'. Why should there be travel restrictions? Why should not the US administration be in dialogue with the muslim brotherhood? It is called diplomacy. They did, after all, win an election in Egypt. So we come once more to your tautology. I say CAIR is a terrorist organisation. Consequently Obama supports terrorism because he engaged with CAIR etc etc.
You construct elaborate arguments based on what you call self evidentiary positions and regard anything contrary to this as fallacious. Muslims are citizens of the United States. They have the same protections as all other citizens. They may organise advocacy groups. They may engage in political speech and political protest. They may even bear arms if they pass the background checks. People involved in hate speech against any group attempt to de-legitimize such groups as a way to strip them of lawful protections. There is nothing new about this. However, counter-intuitively, history has demonstrated that positive outcomes can be derived from allowing dissent, from engaging with opponents and antagonists in productive ways and demonstrating respect to all persons. Your way leads to conflict, I am afraid. People who engage in hate speech, generally out of fear, end up producing the outcomes which they fear the most. It seems it doesn't matter how highly educated a person is or how articulate they are in their expression, if they have no intrinsic respect for others, then their analysis and conclusions will always be flawed.
If you want to experience real hatred, go to Saudi and preach Christianity in a public place.
The woman the OP is about was practicing silent hate ( speech ) against Trump by protesting in the middle of his supporters, and hoping to get abused to use against him.
Anyway, hateful or not, it's legal to say it in the US.
Trump does not owe that stirrer an apology. He may not even have known it was happening- how many people were there?
That woman was lucky to be able to walk out, and had she not been removed might have been taken out on a stetcher.
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Actually, plenty of people would like to live in central Pattaya, including my partner and me. VT6 and Northshore have been successful. We lived in Pratamnack and we lived in Jomtien. Both are fine, I think, for part-timers. We live here year-round and driving into Pattaya 3 and 4 times a week to do things just got to be too much with the traffic. So we moved into town and like it. (You can live in Pattaya and actually not set foot in a bar.)
On other matters, yes a 22 sqm condo is indeed small but I would have loved a tiny getaway place like that at the beach when I was working in USA. Couldn't afford it--but lots of BKK residents can and they have probably been the main buyers. For example, we met a Thai female BKK college professor who bought one of the 22sqm units and she comes on weekends and goes back Monday mornings. It's not always just about farangs.
Now, that guy isn't STILL counting the lights on to determine the well-being of a condo is he? So, 8 lights on at the rear--uhh, those are the ones facing east with no seaview that are going to be the last to sell. Instead, why doesn't he count the number of balconies with underwear drying? That would be about as scientific. I think 80% sold in a difficult market is a good track record for a condo open only a few months. Many other condos, like VT7 open 5 years now and the back wings almost empty, would like that sales rate.
That's fine, as long as you don't then complain that there are hookers with old men in the street.
However, perhaps you can explain the attraction of living right in Pattaya UNLESS you want to set foot in the bars? Given the many other places to live near Pattaya with less traffic problems and access to everything that Pattaya offers, why?
Surely it's not for the beach!
I just don't get it.
If you don't want the bars, wouldn't Jomptien be a far better option? The beach is way superior, and they have a walkway along it too. PLEASE explain. What is in Pattaya that doesn't involve bars, but is better than Jomptien?
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No way its dead,big big bar up for rent Soy Boocow 100 baht a day, stock included,3 year deferment on rent,now it is overly expensive I know 25 baht a day might get someone biting
Is it my eyesight or did somebody really have a banner printed that big & managed to misspell "Baht" as "Bath"!!!
Congrats to your eyesight!I have seen it spelt that way many times, and often heard it pronounced at 'Bat'.
All using the same spell(mis)checker
And the irony behind: "bat" would be the correct spelling following their "official" rules and fits for non-English speakers.
But again they adjusted it for the English speakers.
Don't want their money to be pronounced like a flying mammal
Never mind the flying things, what about the pronunciation of khrap?
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No way its dead,big big bar up for rent Soy Boocow 100 baht a day, stock included,3 year deferment on rent,now it is overly expensive I know 25 baht a day might get someone biting
Is it my eyesight or did somebody really have a banner printed that big & managed to misspell "Baht" as "Bath"!!!
Hmmmmm. I guess you haven't been in Thailand very long. It used to be spelled like that a lot, back in the day.
BTW, there is no "correct" way to spell Thai words in English as there is no direct equivalence between Thai and English alphabets.
Hence different variations in spelling of many words, if you look.
One-third of Australian pensioners live in poverty: OECD report
in World News - Discussion
Where overseas would they relocate? Every western country is in the crapper because all those "investors" exported the industry to China and other low wage countries where they can exploit the workers already.
If they want to live in terminally polluted China, well good riddance.