thaibeachlovers

Where is Europe???

Being sensible and staying out of it. There are NO "good" sides. Any side they arm will turn against the west in the future, as they did in Afghanistan.

Bet the daft woman wishes she'd kept her big mouth shut now.

While I believe CC is indeed happening, I also believe that nothing that can be done by mankind will change it back to what it was 30 years ago, so why would I do anything?

For starters, there are twice as many people now as back then, all polluting away. That's not going to change so any politician that says it can be is doing what all politicians do best- lying.

Well done tbl you have made it to Stage 4.

The five stages of Climate Denial:

Stage 1: Deny the Problem Exists

Stage 2: Deny We're the Cause

Stage 2 Consensus Denial

Stage 3: Deny It's a Problem

Stage 4: Deny We can Solve It

Stage 5: It's too Late

Crikey, talk about being wilfully blind.

1. I said in the post THAT YOU QUOTED that I believe CC is happening.

2. I have said I don't know if we are or not. Not yet proven one way or another.

2. ( you made TWO twos )????????????

3. Never said it's not a problem.

4. I'm still waiting for someone to put forward an idea of how the problem can be solved- so far there is a resounding silence on solutions, other than "renewable energy" which only provides 10% of requirements and increased/ new taxes.

5. Better believe it. It was too late once world population passed 3 billion.

Prod, prod, prod. Poke and try to get a reaction so as to have an excuse to release deadly force again.

The UN really needs to do something about this rogue aggressive state.

I agree. If they'd stop stabbing Israeli citizens things would go better for them. As it is, the UN should run them back into the desert where they came from.

What are you on about? They are from Jerusalem where they have lived for centuries.

I know the people involved and it started when....wait for it.......a ladyboy stole the guys phone while trying to touch him up. The LB then handed the phone to a fat Thai lady, the Farang then confronted the lady and while attempting to get his phone back she started yelling etc, the guy got his phone back and the lady fell off the sidewalk on to the beach (might have been pushed) and all hell broke lose of course with the LB and the lady screaming causing every Thai in the vicinity to join in.

I now have 2 friends who have been the victims of attempted robbery by LBs in the past month or two. Before that none. Sign of the times maybe.

Sign of the times maybe.

LOL

Pattaya ladyboys were trying to pick my pocket as I was going back to hotel at dawn 20 years ago. I had to run to get past them.

Serious crime in Pattaya towards tourists started when Purachai cracked down on the farang bars and many Thais lost their income.

You didn't read another post of mine where I said what I do, and my suggestions.

Anyway, I don't think it can be changed, so I have no need to do anything, though I do, in fact try to cut down on pollution.

However, plenty of people on here saying that "something" must be done, but have no ideas, and I bet they still fly, drive fossil fuelled cars and use electricity generated by oil.

If one actually believes in the government bs, it behoves one to start taking action.

Yes,I also remember that one, you drive a small car.

Providing you're doing this for GW reasons, you're contradicting yourself.

I do ZERO for GW reasons. I drive a small car because large ones are wasteful of petrol for one person, and I do want to cut down on pollution. Desiring to reduce pollution is NOT the same as trying to reverse GW, which I believe is never going to be possible, if in fact it does happen, and the jury is out on that.

So my previous statement was correct, you do nothing.

While I believe CC is indeed happening, I also believe that nothing that can be done by mankind will change it back to what it was 30 years ago, so why would I do anything?

For starters, there are twice as many people now as back then, all polluting away. That's not going to change so any politician that says it can be is doing what all politicians do best- lying.

No one really cares how anyone spends 74K THB/month. No one really cares about how you allocate your funds to live. Choose a life and a lifestyle, and keep it to yourself. I hate to repeat myself, but no one really cares.

The cheap charlies seem to get wound up about this topic every time it comes up, so some obviously do care...

The only thing that gets me wound up is guys that like to boast how much money they can spend in a country where an average Thai earns between 9 and 15 thousand baht a month. Not cool.

There are a zillion factors. How old are you? married, kids, debt, parents, work, etc...........some people can't do the cubicle for 100-years, some can. some like organized chaos. some like to be different. some like to escape. some like change, most hate it. the normal progression is school, work, marriage, kids, house, and then retire. some here likely go to school, work, travel, get bored at work, work, travel, and end up in Thailand. Other factors are the economy and health. Sure, greece and italy and spain might be better, but not right now. they are disasters. and for me, a westerner, i want VERY different....not just a little different. sure, should have picked Africa or India or even Myanmar, but i guess i didn't want it that different. my family sold their home, my home growing up. i've lived in 10 different cities......my gut tells me where i like to live and who i want to be friends with.

And what, like Thailand isn't a "disaster" right now?

Strange question. Of course Thailand isn't a "disaster". It may have a few problems, but nothing it hasn't faced before and overcome.

Perhaps they could make credit less easy to obtain, so people didn't get into debt, but mostly the place is the same as 20 years ago, but with new cars and buildings. Roads are better though, but too many cars on them.

An unstable political system that has seen two or three military coups in the last decade (I've lost count) that is currently ruled by a military junta, restrictions on speech, assembly, and the press that are the hallmark of military governments, massive droughts throughout the country, an economy that has hit the skids, with agricultural crop prices from rice to rubber at decade long lows, exports down sharply, and a tourism sector that's floundering. Massive social, educational, and income inequities; as you mentioned, massive private consumer debt levels as well has rising public sector debt. A capitol city that was looted and burned by civil unrest only a couple years ago. Massive environmental degradation of beaches and forests; scandalous labour conditions, akin to slavery, in the ocean fishing industry, and human-trafficing and summegling rings when trade in human misery and death. Other that this, however, everything's fine...even the roads.

Perhaps you weren't around for the last financial crisis, but it was severe at the time. Good for expats though as the baht fell a lot. Never know it happened now though.

The damaged buildings in Bkk few years ago have all been repaired, never know it happened.

The tourist industry has got too big, too greedy and needs to be corrected by a downturn.

No drought up north. My wife is complaining of rain all the time.

The present government is far better than anything from Taksin on. Previous good government was Leekpai, and that was a very long time ago.

Way more than 3 coups since "democracy" was introduced to Thailand in the 30s.

Everything else you mention has been situation normal for many decades.

As I said before, nothing new and Thailand will survive.

Regardless of the scientists guesswork and the reports guestimates, it is up to politicians to implement any action. Given that ALL solutions require sacrifice on the part of the population, it is doubtful that any practical solution will be implemented any time soon.

I have no idea where I have 'invented an argument':

"....IPCC reports are not produced by scientists....."

I hate to break it to you but the IPCC has every type of scientist stacked to the rafters. They not only rely on peer reviewed scientific research and literature but due to the scientific credentials of the various Working Groups they can also accept non peer reviewed research and literature and this is because the IPCC peer review process is far more stringent and rigorous than the general peer review within the scientific community. The IPCC engages the leading minds in science from around the World. It is totally bizarre to suggest IPCC reports are not produced by scientists. The entire genesis of their reports is science and to achieve this the reviewers must be scientists with an absolute, indepth knowledge of the science.

".......IPCC personnel (the scientists) had finished the document 4 months earlier. Why the delay?........"

This is pretty straight forward. The IPCC releases a 'Draft Report' this is then published and ALL stakeholders are invited to review the Draft Report for errors and omissions. Their is a kind of IPCC hotline set up for people who wish to make 'reports'. The various Working Groups get busy as all reports must be investigated and either upheld or dismissed.

I can understand a scientist involved in this rigorous review and also the discussions on the requirement for the IPCC to communicate the mitigation advice to politicians. Most scientists I know have absolutely no interest in the politics on the science of GW / CC. "Leave me out of this political rubbish let me get back to doing science." Perfectly understandable.

"......IPCC reports are no more scientific than the IPCC is a scientific body; that is, the science and the politics are almost impossible to untangle....."

I would consider the IPCC has more peer review scientific 'firepower' than any scientific institution in the World. They have more than enough forensic Working Groups to untangle the science from the politics.

Politicians would prefer to ignore GW / CC because it effects their budget income streams and effects their major election campaign contributors would be more accurate.

For Obama to pontificate on GW/ CC while riding AF1 around the world is the height of hypocrisy and shame on him for doing so.

Stop pointing at others and take action yourself would be much better.

You didn't read another post of mine where I said what I do, and my suggestions.

Anyway, I don't think it can be changed, so I have no need to do anything, though I do, in fact try to cut down on pollution.

However, plenty of people on here saying that "something" must be done, but have no ideas, and I bet they still fly, drive fossil fuelled cars and use electricity generated by oil.

If one actually believes in the government bs, it behoves one to start taking action.

Yes,I also remember that one, you drive a small car.

Providing you're doing this for GW reasons, you're contradicting yourself.

I do ZERO for GW reasons. I drive a small car because large ones are wasteful of petrol for one person, and I do want to cut down on pollution. Desiring to reduce pollution is NOT the same as trying to reverse GW, which I believe is never going to be possible, if in fact it does happen, and the jury is out on that.

You are free to invent arguments about things I didn't say and then disagree with them. If that's what makes your day. I'm amazed you forgot to accuse me of being paid by Big Oil or having been brainwashed by Fox News.

Politicians like fighting climate change. It appeals to their egos. It casts them as heroes. It’s more gratifying and glamorous to rail against climate change than to spend one’s time balancing the budget or fixing the school system.

I have no idea where I have 'invented an argument':

"....IPCC reports are not produced by scientists....."

I hate to break it to you but the IPCC has every type of scientist stacked to the rafters. They not only rely on peer reviewed scientific research and literature but due to the scientific credentials of the various Working Groups they can also accept non peer reviewed research and literature and this is because the IPCC peer review process is far more stringent and rigorous than the general peer review within the scientific community. The IPCC engages the leading minds in science from around the World. It is totally bizarre to suggest IPCC reports are not produced by scientists. The entire genesis of their reports is science and to achieve this the reviewers must be scientists with an absolute, indepth knowledge of the science.

".......IPCC personnel (the scientists) had finished the document 4 months earlier. Why the delay?........"

This is pretty straight forward. The IPCC releases a 'Draft Report' this is then published and ALL stakeholders are invited to review the Draft Report for errors and omissions. Their is a kind of IPCC hotline set up for people who wish to make 'reports'. The various Working Groups get busy as all reports must be investigated and either upheld or dismissed.

I can understand a scientist involved in this rigorous review and also the discussions on the requirement for the IPCC to communicate the mitigation advice to politicians. Most scientists I know have absolutely no interest in the politics on the science of GW / CC. "Leave me out of this political rubbish let me get back to doing science." Perfectly understandable.

"......IPCC reports are no more scientific than the IPCC is a scientific body; that is, the science and the politics are almost impossible to untangle....."

I would consider the IPCC has more peer review scientific 'firepower' than any scientific institution in the World. They have more than enough forensic Working Groups to untangle the science from the politics.

Politicians would prefer to ignore GW / CC because it effects their budget income streams and effects their major election campaign contributors would be more accurate.

Regardless of the scientists guesswork and the reports guestimates, it is up to politicians to implement any action. Given that ALL solutions require sacrifice on the part of the population, it is doubtful that any practical solution will be implemented any time soon.

For Obama to pontificate on GW/ CC while riding AF1 around the world is the height of hypocrisy and shame on him for doing so.

Stop pointing at others and take action yourself would be much better.

You didn't read another post of mine where I said what I do, and my suggestions.

Anyway, I don't think it can be changed, so I have no need to do anything, though I do, in fact try to cut down on pollution.

However, plenty of people on here saying that "something" must be done, but have no ideas, and I bet they still fly, drive fossil fuelled cars and use electricity generated by oil.

If one actually believes in the government bs, it behoves one to start taking action.

My wife and presumably all her family believe in ghosts. Everyone had to sleep in the mother's house after she was burned to prevent her spirit inhabiting the house.

Did it help?

Must have. Her ghost isn't haunting the place.

Even telling "white" is something I just cannot bring myself to do - yet.

In LOS, I have discovered that there is a time & place for same.

I like that a lot.

You'd rather hurt someone than tell a white lie?

Is heterosexuality such a weak product that governments have to promote it with straight propaganda?

??????????

This thread is about making babies, not about sexuality. No government needs to encourage men and women to have sex together. Indeed, they spend much time and resources trying to stop people having sex.

IPCC reports are not produced by scientists, as a quick look at the IPCC's own process charts clearly demonstrates.

Take AR5, which was finally released in mid-2014. IPCC personnel (the scientists) had finished the document 4 months earlier. Why the delay? So that bureaucrats from over 100 countries could haggle for days over every line so that it reflects their own interests, as best as possible.

As an IPCC insider said (answering an internal IPCC survey):

IPCC reports are no more scientific than the IPCC is a scientific body; that is, the science and the politics are almost impossible to untangle.

An insight into the haggling process can be found at http://www.iisd.ca/vol12/enb12581e.html

You have published ONE singular comment from a unidentified person's feedback involved in the Panel's process and have used it to totally undermine the ENTIRE process of the IPCC. From this ONE SINGULAR comment your view is the process and the thousands of scientists involved in its entirety is totally corrupted.

You are free to invent arguments about things I didn't say and then disagree with them. If that's what makes your day. I'm amazed you forgot to accuse me of being paid by Big Oil or having been brainwashed by Fox News.

Politicians like fighting climate change. It appeals to their egos. It casts them as heroes. It’s more gratifying and glamorous to rail against climate change than to spend one’s time balancing the budget or fixing the school system.

I have no idea where I have 'invented an argument':

"....IPCC reports are not produced by scientists....."

I hate to break it to you but the IPCC has every type of scientist stacked to the rafters. They not only rely on peer reviewed scientific research and literature but due to the scientific credentials of the various Working Groups they can also accept non peer reviewed research and literature and this is because the IPCC peer review process is far more stringent and rigorous than the general peer review within the scientific community. The IPCC engages the leading minds in science from around the World. It is totally bizarre to suggest IPCC reports are not produced by scientists. The entire genesis of their reports is science and to achieve this the reviewers must be scientists with an absolute, indepth knowledge of the science.

".......IPCC personnel (the scientists) had finished the document 4 months earlier. Why the delay?........"

This is pretty straight forward. The IPCC releases a 'Draft Report' this is then published and ALL stakeholders are invited to review the Draft Report for errors and omissions. Their is a kind of IPCC hotline set up for people who wish to make 'reports'. The various Working Groups get busy as all reports must be investigated and either upheld or dismissed.

I can understand a scientist involved in this rigorous review and also the discussions on the requirement for the IPCC to communicate the mitigation advice to politicians. Most scientists I know have absolutely no interest in the politics on the science of GW / CC. "Leave me out of this political rubbish let me get back to doing science." Perfectly understandable.

"......IPCC reports are no more scientific than the IPCC is a scientific body; that is, the science and the politics are almost impossible to untangle....."

I would consider the IPCC has more peer review scientific 'firepower' than any scientific institution in the World. They have more than enough forensic Working Groups to untangle the science from the politics.

Politicians would prefer to ignore GW / CC because it effects their budget income streams and effects their major election campaign contributors would be more accurate.

Regardless of the scientists guesswork and the reports guestimates, it is up to politicians to implement any action. Given that ALL solutions require sacrifice on the part of the population, it is doubtful that any practical solution will be implemented any time soon.

For Obama to pontificate on GW/ CC while riding AF1 around the world is the height of hypocrisy and shame on him for doing so.

Part of the problem for a low birth rate in Denmark maybe that the sale and purchase of sex is legal in Denmark. So it doesn't suffer from high teenage pregnancies like Thailand.

Several countries like Singapore, Australia, Canada, Czech Republic , Lithuania, and Taiwan have baby bonuses to increase their birth rates. But statistically there seems little impact.

The most immediate solution is to encourage immigration of young families to grow the population. So if the young Mohamed, Wang, Kevin and Aasif can be integrated into society, be employed and pay taxes, the elderly will have a sustainable future.

As women become educated, they realise that having a child that will strain their finances, demand stuff for the rest of mother's life, ruin their body and generally be a millstone isn't such a great idea after all.

The answer would be to stop educating women, but good luck with that!

PS, if men had to carry the child in their body, there wouldn't be any babies at all .

I'm waiting for the reports of illegal economic migrants demanding jobs so they can pay off the loans they took out to pay the traffickers.

Getting through 75K a month is easy in Bangkok if you want a few comforts like Western food,

Western food is cheap ..............

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35bht a plate, and an hour of my time.

Getting through 75K a month is easy in Bangkok if you want a few comforts like Western food,

Sorry, that looks absolutely disgusting. If you prefer this over Thai food you seriously do not belong here. The lack of greens...let me guess, you're English or German 555.

There is one truth that will always remain and the Thai will tell you this without blinking an eye. Let the farang whinge on about the quality or whatever...The best Thai food comes from the street. So those b35 dishes many of you deride, you simply don't like Thai food, because that's what "Thai" food is.

Hell,I could have done a better job with my eyes closed insofar as that dreadful meal is concerned. Hope you don't smoke as well, you'll be dead at 65.

Whatever turns one on foodwise. You come across as a food fanatic with your "don't belong in Thailand if you don't like Thai food" rant. I love LOS, but I won't eat the food if it's got chillies in it, or raw crab etc. Street food, LOL. I prefer food cooked by someone that can wash their hands.

I eat lots of food without greens, but I'll also eat salads regularly.

BTW my wife eats real Thai food- the smell makes me retch and the things she eat would make me vomit if I looked. Most westerners have no idea of what real Thai food is.

Dead at 65- if the ride was great then I'd be happy with that. Who wants to live in a "rest" home? ( not me )

There are a zillion factors. How old are you? married, kids, debt, parents, work, etc...........some people can't do the cubicle for 100-years, some can. some like organized chaos. some like to be different. some like to escape. some like change, most hate it. the normal progression is school, work, marriage, kids, house, and then retire. some here likely go to school, work, travel, get bored at work, work, travel, and end up in Thailand. Other factors are the economy and health. Sure, greece and italy and spain might be better, but not right now. they are disasters. and for me, a westerner, i want VERY different....not just a little different. sure, should have picked Africa or India or even Myanmar, but i guess i didn't want it that different. my family sold their home, my home growing up. i've lived in 10 different cities......my gut tells me where i like to live and who i want to be friends with.

And what, like Thailand isn't a "disaster" right now?

Strange question. Of course Thailand isn't a "disaster". It may have a few problems, but nothing it hasn't faced before and overcome.

Perhaps they could make credit less easy to obtain, so people didn't get into debt, but mostly the place is the same as 20 years ago, but with new cars and buildings. Roads are better though, but too many cars on them.

This is what happens when you plan your life without sufficient funds. This post should be titled "Can't afford to go home...even to visit."

Sometimes plans don't work out. Life isn't that simple.

So where is the militia now that all your freedoms have been eroded? You can't even grow tomatoes in your own garden in some states less they think you might be feeding yourself without paying money to the corporations. You cant dig a well on your own land for water. America has never had so many guns and Americans have never had so many restrictions on their freedoms. Americans have never been so suppressed or oppressed by their Governments as in the last 15 years.

Maybe, but America still has more freedoms than every other country on the planet.

Only if you have money can you enjoy your life, at least till Obama started trying to bring in socialist policies.

The freedom to live in a cardboard box and dumpster dive- no thanks.

Just in time. I am going to Jomtien with my wife for one week after the 14. Our first time there. I am worry if we will have a good time or not, because we are not into night life, and we want just to enjoy the beach. We live in the north mountains. If you guys can give me some ideas about Jomtien beaches and close attractions I will appreciate. Also I will like to know if the area still flooded. I like beaches, my wife like street markets.

All the beaches of Jomptien, Pattaya and Larn, IMO, are rubbish compared to the southern islands. However, Jomptien is better than Pattaya beach, though I wouldn't want to spend a week there.

Although I don't like Hua Hin myself, it might be a better place for you to go, and it takes not much longer to get there from Bkk than Jomptien. Probably got better markets than Jomptien too.

Hundreds of the worlds top scientisrs studied thousands and thousands of documents and overwhelmingly determined humans are part of the cause of climate change.

The science is settled.

Yet there are still flat earthers that dont believe it.

OK, you believe it, but what are YOU going to do about it? Any ideas? I don't think it's reversible, so I don't feel obliged to do anything I wouldn't do anyway. Reducing pollution is a good thing.

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BTW your hundreds of scientists haven't come up with any practical suggestions to reverse it.

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Judging by the rising snow line on the alps of the south island of New Zealand there has been G W since at least 1973.

Whatever, whether it's man made or not, the only thing that counts is what, if anything, governments will do in response.

So far, the only things done are to build some renewable energy structures which account for no more than 10% of requirements and invent/ raise taxes.

The vast majority of the world's population only wants to use more electricity ( don't care how it's generated ) and own a car. They don't give a rat's bottom for anything the UN report says and will ignore it

For reminders the topic under discussion is:

What do you see in Pattaya?

I saw some busy gogo bars last night with some decent talent.

I haven't been out for awhile, but Walking Street was rather lively considering all the doom 'n gloom reports.

When I recently visited W S if the Chinese hadn't been there it would have been very quiet. I did miss the DDG Slavic women.

However, W S is definitely the place to enjoy cute girls without having to pay OTT for a drink.

That's right. Save your money for ladies' drinks.

Nah. Since I got married I look but don't touch. Pattaya is great for seeing girls, as they are used to men ogling them from working in bars, and don't take offence if they see me looking.

Central is also good for seeing cute girls, though they aren't friendly and none of them call me a hansum man.

I hope when they really start to protest, that they direct their anger towards the person mostly responsible, the one who screwed them over on the rice scheme and ruined Thailand for years to come, the one who encouraged them all to get into debt and buy new cars, trucks, houses and smartphones, the one who claimed to be doing everything for their benefit. But they won't, cos he's their hero and can do no wrong and it's always someone else's fault.

They might want to start looking at growing alternative crops and different ways of farming rather than repeating the same old tired cycle over and over again hoping for a better result. That's insanity. One of my friends up North has done this, and they're laughing. Diversification, works wonders.

If they all bought new cars, n houses, and smart phones, then they have themselves to blame not 'their hero" for money problems.

As for the poor farmers that I see and have known over the last several years, well not to many are getting around in their "new car's, and most still live in the family home that is in much need of repair.

The problem is rice is at an 8 year low, and cost of living is going up, simple math, less money and more expense, Not only that but the lack of and sometimes NO mains water supply in some areas for weeks on end brings further challenges to the working poor.

Now as for them new cars n houses augment, I'll help you out a little to understand a bit more, You see these things were mainly purchased by government workers, not poor farmers. BTW, not real sure how familiar you are with farming in Isaan but they don't just grow rice, like wood for paper, sugar, fish farming, prawns, Thai potatoes, fruit & vegie growers, chicken and egg farms, corn, so there is diversification in Isaan,

sometimes NO mains water supply in some areas for weeks on end

Goodness me, there have been farmers in Issan for hundreds ( ?thousands ) of years and they all survived without mains water supply.

Perhaps they need to think about how things were when they were young.

My wife grew up without electricity, and definitely no mains water.