BugJackBaron

Latest victim : Aussie Bar in Rumpoh Complex in Jomtien.

I happened to be there last night and the owner almost went ballistic as the unidentified officers(they woul;d not give their identities)

came, arrested his wife and confiscated his desktop.

According to the owner of another popular place in Jomtien, the way around all this

is to just use the radio.

Thanks for the heads up JT.

I visited about a year ago and was not impressed with the food.

But the other thing off putting at the time and might have been down to the day of the week? time of year ? But there were a good few young Thai male customers, around 20 years old, some hogging the Pool table.

All being a bit flash with the cash, drinks and smoking. With a 'am 'ard as nails strut.

They did not seem to fit in with the rest of the customers and there was atmosphere I felt in the air that it could kick off any moment.

They seemed like regulars and their body language and the way I and the GF were being looked at made me check bin and go. Vowing not to go back. Then the paranoia really set in...............

It's location straddles the border of the mostly Thai area and mosyly farangland toward Jomtien market, so maybe this is not surprising. Usually you can tell just by looking at a place if it is "their turf".

Much better choice would be Robin Hood bar - friendly staff and patrons and not a girly bar. Sketch has seats for maybe 80 guests but I hardly

ever see anyone in there. But Ok if you don't want conversation.

Just curious,about what you spoke to the management about.

I didn't lose anything because I noticed the increase in price and asked for the small size default.

But the naive tourist might not.

Besides, complaining on these boards is more fun and who knows? - perhaps the management of Carl's

religiously reads this forum.

I probably will eat there again.

13 posts and no cheeky retorts?

Come on, you need to run the gauntlet....

So which world are you into?

Ate the Superstar today, was between good and ok. Onion rings were the best I've had here, fries average (mine were a bit soggy, could've benefited from longer frying). The total average sum between average and good, just a bit above Burger King I'd say.

I will second that opinion. One thing that is off to me about the service is that when I ordered the chili burger set (burger ,fries and soft drink),I was asked "Do you want medium or large fries?" I replied "medium" thinking that was the default.

I fact the default is small(which is plenty) and "upsizing" of course costs more.

I changed my order to the small and although the cashiers are just doing what they are told, this is in fact a deceptive

business practice. Whether or not it is illegal here, I don't know. The American trainer-girls were not there and the Thai staff seemed like they were reciting memorized lines so I didn't complain.

The more ethical(though also annoying) thing is to do what is done in Burger King - ask "Do you want to upsize your order?"

Sounds like good news.

I heard some really bad reviews of the food in the past.

Now if they could only get some Canadian beer.....

I'm pretty sure Sam's has been mentioned but I agree that it's better than Sunrise . And no ++ charges.

Is Mike's open now? It looked closed for renovations for a while.

Why is it that place always has the blinds up so you can't see inside? No menu on the outside

either. Low-key? Allmost underground.

Boy I can hardly keep up with all your smileys.

What I would charge would be a modest increase for inflation- but hey that's just me.

The problem is that the prices often go up unreasonably,sharply and

not just as an adjustment to inflation. The landlord decides he or she can get rich off the

work of the tenant.

What do you mean by "the most" amount of money? 300% increase? whatever I think is fair?

Whatever my cousin in Sala Daeng is charging?

Whatever I think I can gauge my tenant for?

Too often it is the last.

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You are too funny.It sounds to me like you think all landlords are saints. FYI I have taught business and business ethics.

I have probably read more on both than you.

Boy I can hardly keep up with all your smileys.

What I would charge would be a modest increase for inflation- but hey that's just me.

The problem is that the prices often go up unreasonably,sharply and

not just as an adjustment to inflation. The landlord decides he or she can get rich off the

work of the tenant.

What do you mean by "the most" amount of money? 300% increase? whatever I think is fair?

Whatever my cousin in Sala Daeng is charging?

Whatever I think I can gauge my tenant for?

Too often it is the last.

No , I asked no such thing dude. Time to take that reading comprehension course? And as I said it is practice not legal limits that is important when talking about minimum wage.

Ok so prices including practice have nothing to do with wages? i see you have taken a number of useful courses

your exact statement was

you didn't give the minimum wage for Pattaya so I will assume that Pattaya uses the Chonburi value

I was thinking Chonburi the city. Fine, I know minimum wages are province dependent legally. It is easy to forget that Chiang Mai and Bangkok are also provinces especially before my first coffee and when reading quickly..

But a worker in Pattaya probably will in practice make more in Pattaya than in Chonburi City because the cost of living is less in Chonburi city.

Whatever, and not relevant anyways.

Sorry you said it was Chiang Mai not Chiangmai. If you are going to be anal....

And you are just being silly. I have lived in Thailand for the past four years and would be happy to meet you in

person if you don't believe me. Moreover, even though the minimum

wage may be slightly lower in Chiang Mai than in Chonburi. (you didn't give the minimum wage for Pattaya so I will assume

that Pattaya uses the Chonburi value) the cost of living there is also somewhat lower. So I stand by my statements.

But I like your USE OF CAPITALS ....it shows great argumentative power.

Pattaya is in Chonburi , in what jungle have you been living to even ask question like that?

Considering that you do not know what and where Pattaya is, i am failing to see how you are even attempting to comment on cost of living

But you are free to stand by any statements you like

Well Chonburi can refer to both the city and the province - just like Rayong... I live in the jungle called Pattaya dude.

You live in Pattaya BUT you ask a question if Pattaya is part of Chonburi?

Were you under some impression that the minimum wages were set per city or village?

I wonder where i can find minimum wage for Sathahip

No , I asked no such thing dude. Time to take that reading comprehension course? And as I said it is practice not legal limits that is important when talking about minimum wage.

Sorry you said it was Chiang Mai not Chiangmai. If you are going to be anal....

And you are just being silly. I have lived in Thailand for the past four years and would be happy to meet you in

person if you don't believe me. Moreover, even though the minimum

wage may be slightly lower in Chiang Mai than in Chonburi. (you didn't give the minimum wage for Pattaya so I will assume

that Pattaya uses the Chonburi value) the cost of living there is also somewhat lower. So I stand by my statements.

But I like your USE OF CAPITALS ....it shows great argumentative power.

Pattaya is in Chonburi , in what jungle have you been living to even ask question like that?

Considering that you do not know what and where Pattaya is, i am failing to see how you are even attempting to comment on cost of living

But you are free to stand by any statements you like

Well Chonburi can refer to both the city and the province - just like Rayong... I live in the jungle called Pattaya dude.

As I have pointed out many times, this is because Pattaya seems to attract the cheapest of the cheap charlies.

In Phuket or Chiang Mia you probably can get a decent Ruben at a reasonable price.

And I know in Pnom Penn(next to Sharky's bar) there was a really authentic new york sandwich place.

I don't think I paid more than the equivalent of 5 bucks and it tasted like the real thing.

It is partly the greed of the landlords that prevents quality shops opening here.

To be is to be perceived.

oh same old, same old what and who pattaya attracts.

i honestly think you do not have a finest clue of who lives in pattaya and who it attracts

you paid $5 for sandwich in Cambodia where daily wage is $5 if they lucky and you consider that to be a real bargain

Greed of landlords? do you have any understanding of business or economics?

Perhaps it is you who doesn't see the big picture. You don't need to look at Cambodia,

Anyone who has been to Phucket and Chaing Mai can tell you the quality is better there for western food,

Are you telling me the minimum wage is different in those cities?

As for greed, perhaps you should talk to Greg of Greg's kitchen to get his perspective

on Thai business practices. Ask him why he moved.

You may also try to recall the recent Toot Com "rebellion" of the phone and other shop-owners when the landlord

tried to jack rental prices out of the world.

You must be a landlord,

Have you actually been to Thailand yet? or pulling city names out of google?

1. It is Phuket NOT Phucket

2. It is Chiang Mai, not Chaing Mai

3. Yes the minimum wage is different across all 3

Baht 300 for Bangkok, Phuket,

Baht 273 for Chonburi

Baht 251 for Chiangmai

I believe it's already enough evidence here not to even BOTHER debate topics with you, since you are clearly WAYYYYY out of touch with reality

Sorry you said it was Chiang Mai not Chiangmai. If you are going to be anal....

And you are just being silly. I have lived in Thailand for the past four years and would be happy to meet you in

person if you don't believe me. Moreover, even though the minimum

wage may be slightly lower in Chiang Mai than in Chonburi. (you didn't give the minimum wage for Pattaya so I will assume

that Pattaya uses the Chonburi value) it is not enough to account for the differences I observed there.

And the 300 baht is just a recent thing isn't it? What were the values one year ago and more importantly what was the actual wage , on average, paid in both cities? Adjusting for cost of living, I doubt that the baker's helper was doing better or worse in either city

But I like your USE OF CAPITALS ....it shows great argumentative power.

As I have pointed out many times, this is because Pattaya seems to attract the cheapest of the cheap charlies.

In Phuket or Chiang Mia you probably can get a decent Ruben at a reasonable price.

And I know in Pnom Penn(next to Sharky's bar) there was a really authentic new york sandwich place.

I don't think I paid more than the equivalent of 5 bucks and it tasted like the real thing.

It is partly the greed of the landlords that prevents quality shops opening here.

To be is to be perceived.

oh same old, same old what and who pattaya attracts.

i honestly think you do not have a finest clue of who lives in pattaya and who it attracts

you paid $5 for sandwich in Cambodia where daily wage is $5 if they lucky and you consider that to be a real bargain

Greed of landlords? do you have any understanding of business or economics?

Perhaps it is you who doesn't see the big picture. You don't need to look at Cambodia,

Anyone who has been to Phucket and Chaing Mai can tell you the quality is better there for western food,

Are you telling me the minimum wage is different in those cities?

As for greed, perhaps you should talk to Greg of Greg's kitchen to get his perspective

on Thai business practices. Ask him why he moved.

You may also try to recall the recent Toot Com "rebellion" of the phone and other shop-owners when the landlord

tried to jack rental prices out of the world.

You must be a landlord,

OK Here is what you have been waiting for...after three pages...a review.

I went into the NY Deli this afternoon for lunch.

First a comment about the service. I was presented with a menu with no sandwiches on it.

Just Thai food and a very generic selection of Western food.

I had to ask for the sandwich menu. Duh!

I ordered the NY sandwich , which promised Viginia ham, turkey and real cheddar among other things.

It came 10 minutes later and I could taste none of those things there. What I could taste

was the overwhelming sweet mayo they had smothered it with.

It was served on cheap White bread and

came with potato chips

At the end I felt it was about the level of Mr. Sub when they were around. I felt slightly queasy 2 minutes after I left the

premises.

I don't plan to go back .

I

You need to slip the idea to the police.."hey you guys not making enough tea money from motorbike

violations? Here's an idea......"

Are you suggesting just because we are in Thailand, we are obligated to rave about stuff of ANY quality because we are so desperate for ANYTHING? Doesn't the local "food press" cover that function quite well already?

Isn't that exactly what you do with Sunrise Tacos?

No I do not. You obviously haven't really read my posts about the place. Very mixed, and I never said anything was as good as a good place in California. I do like their chips though! I do think for SOME of their menu items they do a good enough job for expats to well satisfy a craving. That's hardly raving. I don't suggest tourists from California eat there though.

Back to this Schwarma joint/"New York deli place IF someone can post news saying the owners there PROCESS THEIR OWN DELI meats I will definitely be there in a jiffy to try it!

Jing, the problem with Thailand and its expats is when you have a place serving really excellent food using all imported ingredients and naturally charging premium prices for it, in many cases even more expansive than back home, people complain about the prices and being ripped off.

When you have places serving "ok" food based on their home recipe's, but using local ingredients and charging lower prices, people still complain that it does not taste as good or same.

So really, business simply can not win either way.

Going to nicer places that serve steaks for 600 baht, many will scream its a total rip off, but the steak they serve is imported Oz or NZ beef, then same people go to some bar/pub and get a steak for 100 baht and scream its not very soft or tender-but the steaks are local and ONLY 100 baht

As I have pointed out many times, this is because Pattaya seems to attract the cheapest of the cheap charlies.

In Phuket or Chiang Mia you probably can get a decent Ruben at a reasonable price.

And I know in Pnom Penn(next to Sharky's bar) there was a really authentic new york sandwich place.

I don't think I paid more than the equivalent of 5 bucks and it tasted like the real thing.

It is partly the greed of the landlords that prevents quality shops opening here.

To be is to be perceived.

Well I hate to go down the Jingthing road as I think he is too hard on places trying their best which is hard in this country. But here goes...I went to the NY deli today around 6:15pm and when a foreigner inside saw me looking at the menu on the stand outside he went and flipped the "closed sign" on the door and then went back and sat down continuing chatting with around 5 or 6 people. I was going to order a couple of sandwiches togo but It is out of the way for me as I live on the pattaya side but I have no plan to go back there after that, he could have at least stuck his head out and said "sorry we are closed" but he had no interest in doing that. There are no hours posted when they open or close. The place did look ok so I don't agree with Jingthing about that.

They get a "fail" for customer service from me.

Went there last night and saw that closed sign but it was for a good reason.

A big sign inside read "narcotics anonymous" and there were about 5 or 6 farangs sitting around.

Stand by for my review.

I also remember having problems with certain wifi adaptors.

Right now I kinda cheat as I have only a company notebook and as

we are not permitted to install linux , I run it in VMware.(a program that lets you run

another os inside windows)

The unfortunate truth is that as the hardware manafacturers are in bed with microsoft, and apple,

linux will always be playing catch up for wifi driver support. And

then there are the legal issues distros are often worried about even if drivers are available,

Because you cannot get a proper English breakfast in pascals. Pretty obvious. Not everyone worries about their pennies, darrel.

I wonder what Greg's breakfast has that makes it better, apart perhaps from beans which Casa Pascal don't do?

Personally I would much rather forego the beans (which I dont like anyway) and have some freshly-baked croissants and a few extra cups of coffee with my bacon and eggs, not to mention the two sorts of honey with my toast (made from several different types of freshly-baked bread).

I have yet to find a freshly baked croissant In Thailand that meets western standards (possible in Laos and Cambodia) but maybe I will try Pascal again. Most of the time the condiments are cheap fast food varieties too. I agree it would be nice to have an unlimited coffee - very few places here offer that.

Anyways, I found Greg's new location and despite his promise of "smaller portions" , the lunch

special of 220 Baht gave the same large portion as before.

Well worth a visit.

I will stand-by for a flaming but...........It is 3 years since I was there but Cucumber on Pattaya Tai was good.

It's been a while for me too, and I found the food pleasant as well. The pricing however is touristic.

We've eaten there one time. Nice decor also. I heard they had gotten the chef in on part ownership. One reason for consistent quality. Prices are high, especially for western food.

Agreed. It is a place where you can get a half-decent tuna sandwich and bowl of pumpkin soup.

All too rare in this city.

Thanks. I also have the same problem. You think the big office in Bangkok could run a more efficient organization. A couple years ago the schedule on the website was wrong. I mention it to the clerk selling the tickets, "You need to update the movie schedule on your website.." and she said, "OH, you come here early to find out what time movie starts." DUH

This is quite normal in Thailand - most small organizations and even big ones like the Thai football leagues do very little to update their websites. They just don't think that way.

Bit of a 'cop out' isn't it

Not sure why you would feel that way. Why should the same rules apply in a condition of nothingness?

As an analogy, social laws would not apply if there were only one person left in the world as there would be no society.

You may also want to read about "Mach's principle".

Finally, don't forget that the Big Bang is not just a mathematical creation but has some solid

physical evidence for it with the cosmic background radiation.