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I hear about, and read, on a daily basis, of foreigner who are getting ripped off here and there, very often by their girlfriend/wife, but also in regular business relationships, how can you have missed that?

You've read??!!

You've heard??!!

Jesus, what is wrong with you people?

Calm down, yes, there are many foreigners who are getting treated badly, do I say that every one of them would have not being ripped off or scammed, had they not being referred to as an object (that is Farang), hell no!

But do I see a clear connection between the constant need to refer to us as "farang", rather than humans, and many problems we face here on a daily basis, hell yes!!

I cannot believe this thread keeps appearing....it is so ridiculous....get a grip, only weak and easily offended people would be that bothered about this....you are in a foreign country, they don't have to abide by YOUR values etc.......

You are very naive, ignorant and shallow. You simply do not grasp the problems associated with you being an object.

Let me guess, you are 19 years old, and have visited Thailand in total of 2 months, and you love to party in the bars all the time, of course it is funny to be "farang".

However, when you are turning 40, and have been here for many years, you will hopefully begin to see connections between how Thais sometimes treats foreigners, that is, not always in a good way. Sure it can happen anyway, but it do happen alot more because the constant notion is us being an object, rather than human

Ok perhaps the poor, oppressed, downtrodden among you can give us a few examples of how they've been treated badly by the Thais.

I hear about, and read, on a daily basis, of foreigner who are getting ripped off here and there, very often by their girlfriend/wife, but also in regular business relationships, how can you have missed that?

We never pretended to be anything else than farang.

That's the constant reminder that gets tedious.

In our home country we don't constantly remind Thai immigrants they are not from there.

Why do we have to put up with it?

"In our home country we don't constantly remind Thai immigrants they are not from there."

I have Asian friends in the US, who are second or third generation Americans, who speak with fluent Americanese and who are often asked, "Where do you come from?"

But the HUGE DIFFERENCE, is that when we get to know this asian looking person, and understands he has the same background as the rest of the americans, listening to the same music, referring to the same tv shows, etc, he no longer is asian. He becomes a person, he becomes an american, rather than just "asian". A good example can be bassist John Myung from Dream Theater http://www.dreamtheater.net/board_posts/artist-bio, he sure looks asian, but do the rest of the band think of him being another race/nationality all daylong? Nope. He is American.

I cannot believe this thread keeps appearing....it is so ridiculous....get a grip, only weak and easily offended people would be that bothered about this....you are in a foreign country, they don't have to abide by YOUR values etc.......

You are very naive, ignorant and shallow. You simply do not grasp the problems associated with you being an object.

Let me guess, you are 19 years old, and have visited Thailand in total of 2 months, and you love to party in the bars all the time, of course it is funny to be "farang".

However, when you are turning 40, and have been here for many years, you will hopefully begin to see connections between how Thais sometimes treats foreigners, that is, not always in a good way. Sure it can happen anyway, but it do happen alot more because the constant notion is us being an object, rather than human

Welcome to the club dude, my ex took much more than that and my 3 kids, tried to have me killed 3 times, had me arrested on false charges twice.... this is thailand, a Thai lie is much whiter than any farang truth..

Well, farang is farang, very different from regular humans, therfore easy to cheat, and steal from.

After a few Thai relationships that didn't go the course he ended up marrying a nice Brit girl. It no longer surprised him but used to sadden him at all the conversations he would overhear about the 'falang' when out and about when they didn't know he understood every word. I guess Thailand is still developing and is a tough and relatively poor country to have to survive in. It's natural that many folk like to look down on other groups to buttress any feelings of inadequacy they may have.

The OP probably needs to a) ascertain is this relationship measuring up , does his GF support and respect him and if so then that needs to be communicated to her parents and relatives. If not learn a lesson, get out and move on.

As an aside the Brit I mentioned above said it was very difficult / impossible to make real friends in Thailand and what utimately peed him off about the culture overall was the pi/nong nature of relationships - one in which most falangs just don't have a place - it's easier for Thai's to put us all in one big box marked 'falang' rather than work out where we are in the scheme of things.

Yes, I agree to all of this, but many foreigners, refuse to see this side of things.

This is exactly the reason we, "the white skinned people" should at least not call ourselves the "f" word.

Well. I'm a foreigner in Thailand why wouldn't I use that word..

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Yes, foreigner works fine, I referred to the other word. And I think you know that.

soi41, on 16 Mar 2013 - 19:34, said:

Whenever you log on to Thaivisa, almost no matter what topic, you are met by a negative sentiment against anything Thai or Thairelated.

"A" negative sentiment? I would say a dozen...

Pics, or it never happened!!

After a few Thai relationships that didn't go the course he ended up marrying a nice Brit girl. It no longer surprised him but used to sadden him at all the conversations he would overhear about the 'falang' when out and about when they didn't know he understood every word. I guess Thailand is still developing and is a tough and relatively poor country to have to survive in. It's natural that many folk like to look down on other groups to buttress any feelings of inadequacy they may have.

The OP probably needs to a) ascertain is this relationship measuring up , does his GF support and respect him and if so then that needs to be communicated to her parents and relatives. If not learn a lesson, get out and move on.

As an aside the Brit I mentioned above said it was very difficult / impossible to make real friends in Thailand and what utimately peed him off about the culture overall was the pi/nong nature of relationships - one in which most falangs just don't have a place - it's easier for Thai's to put us all in one big box marked 'falang' rather than work out where we are in the scheme of things.

Yes, I agree to all of this, but many foreigners, refuse to see this side of things.

This is exactly the reason we, "the white skinned people" should at least not call ourselves the "f" word.

wow, you are such a playboy! I bet you are very hansum man, no go with Thai man, only "farang"...

We got 5000 per month discount for a longer term rent. In our place in Bangkok we were paying 25k per month, there was an identical place a few floors down for 17k, so we gave notice. When asked why we were leaving we told the owner who promptly discounted to 17k. Might as well try.

Higher floors are usually more expensive, even for identical places, at least in my experience.

If they stand and wait for me, I just ignore them. Just sit there and wait, and they will get the hint and go away.

It depends where you live but in most places - except Pattaya - they wait on Thai and foreigners.

If a waiter / waitress waits at your table (or works several tables in a given area) for a few hours and gives good service, what is wrong with giving a tip? The tip does not have to be a large one. 20 baht often suffices.

Obviously it is easier for a Thai to let the staff understand what sort of service they do or do not want and maybe they are left alone at their request.

Tip is not something Thais do out of tradition. It is purely brought to Thailand by foreigners.

No, it should not be Thais, it is already too specific, the thing is, Farang is ALL white people, so we should talk about all brown skins. And then they will understand, it is a VERY broad definition.

So instead of calling them Thais we should call them Brown skin, and we should not make any difference from Thais, Indians, Vietnamese, Burmese, Lao, Phillipino, Mexicans, etc...

I have been told by many thais; a falang speaking a little thai is cute, funny...like a child....speak too much..no good...

I' m betting you haven't. And those that have said it? I think could guess what sort of people they were.

They are the kind of people that run guesthouses and wait tables in guesthouses etc. as I always insist on speaking Thai to them because it is much, much better than their English.

That is what you think.

If you ask them, they will probably say their English is better than your Thai.

That is also the reason why they prefer to try to answer you in English.

The first year i came here i didn't like that word and it got me angry many times, but now i don't give a shit about it, because they will never change and it makes me feel good to think that i have more education than them and also more culture.

Getting angry because some poor guys call you farang is the more stupid reaction you can have, even if those guys are your family in law, for them you are just the trophy that someone in their family brought home. And even if the family in law is richer than you, you will always be the farang that their daughter took home. Keep that in mind, enjoy your life and forgive all of those who are uneducated. If they had more education maybe their daughter wont marry you anyway.

They can change, and the first thing we should do is not refer to ourselves as farang, it is just plain ignorant to the point where we are just as ignorant as the Thais.

I don´t get angry, not even upset, however, I do see the potential problems it has when they constantly refer to us as farang.

Yes, for them, we are just a trophy, and sure, some people are totally okay with that, but many people, are actually getting tired of being an object rather than a human being. And being viewed as an object, will sure make it easier for Thais to do all kinds of bad things to us.

And when you are not around, and your wife is telling a friend, who you do not know, that you are going out for dinner, the first thing she will point out is that you are "white skin" (farang).

Would you do that if you would tell your friend who had never met your wife - Me and my wife, she is a "brown skin", we are going out to dinner?

There you go again: acting as if your paranoid fantasies are fact...

Then adding the straw man question.

I'll say this - you are consistent. (Of course, obsessives usually have that going for them.)

And there you go again, clearly not aware of reality.

You are like the nutty patient who blames his doctor for being crazy, cause it does not match his own skewed sense of reality.

Yeah, OK. See, here's the thing - I'm not the one who repeatedly writes with total certainty about what people say about me WHEN I'M NOT THERE. (In fact, you even go beyond that - you claim you know what all Thais say about all foreigners when the foreigners aren't there.)

And I'm not the one with an uncontrollable fixation on a word to the extent that I post over and over again the same things on every single thread I see that discusses the word or even sometimes just mentions it.

But I'M the crazy one...

Carry on.

"Reality"...that was funny.

I have been here long enough to know that Thais do point out the fact that we are "farang" all the time. If you think that that is not the case, good for you, but you are wrong.

I address this as a potential problem, as many foreigners are very ignorant and do not understand the results of being constantly referred to as the other, the white skin, the long nose, the farang.

This thread is an example of a foreigner being treated almost like an object, rather than a human being. Sure, we can argue that this might have to do with this specific individual, and it might be true to a certain degree, but I also see this as a result of what I am talking about.

You are the one who is obsessed following all my threads, trying to tell me I am all wrong.

I suggest you get off Thaivisa for a while, it will help you to get rid of your "reality" and rather see the reality for what it really is.

And when you are not around, and your wife is telling a friend, who you do not know, that you are going out for dinner, the first thing she will point out is that you are "white skin" (farang).

Would you do that if you would tell your friend who had never met your wife - Me and my wife, she is a "brown skin", we are going out to dinner?

There you go again: acting as if your paranoid fantasies are fact...

Then adding the straw man question.

I'll say this - you are consistent. (Of course, obsessives usually have that going for them.)

And there you go again, clearly not aware of reality.

You are like the nutty patient who blames his doctor for being crazy, cause it does not match his own skewed sense of reality.

Lived 10+ years in BKK.

Saw foreigners on motor bikes daily.

Always on bigger bikes.

Never observed one single accident with a foreigner involved.

I have seen foreigners involved in motorcycle accidents.

Furthermore, it is much less likely to see a foreigner involved, than a Thai, cause Thai motorcyclists simply outnumber the foreigner motorcyclist by far.

Try to let go the "falang" identity, and do not promote it to the Thais.

Tell them, you know you have white skin, and no need to point it out all the time.

Tell them you would prefer to be viewed as a human more so than "white skin".

And gradually, we will be less isolated in Thai society, but it will take time.

But whatever you do, at least, try to avoid pointing out you are "falang" all the time, it will not help in the long run.

I've lived here for 7 years and people I don't even know in my village call out my name, PETER!

I'm married to a Thai, have two kids and I know about 50 Thai words which is ***k all. That they call you"Farang" is like slapping you in the face.

And when you are not around, and your wife is telling a friend, who you do not know, that you are going out for dinner, the first thing she will point out is that you are "white skin" (farang).

Would you do that if you would tell your friend who had never met your wife - Me and my wife, she is a "brown skin", we are going out to dinner?

Its not my fault you want to stick your head in the sand, and pretend there is no problem with the notion of "Farang".

We see it all the time, everyday, and still you and some others choose to ignore it.

That's the other thing you did - distort people's views or even lie about them and put up straw men and knock them down.

By the way, "not your fault"? How does that even make sense? I point out that you make unsupportable claims and you (wisely) don't deny it but post that fallacious non sequitur as a response?

You accuse me, I tell you to not accuse me, it is not my fault you do not see the flaws and have a skewed view of reality.

Oh, Lordy...Obsession rears it's ugly head again....

Actually, what you talked about, along with a host of untenable claims, was an imaginary place where everyone always acted as the family in the OP do.

Its not my fault you want to stick your head in the sand, and pretend there is no problem with the notion of "Farang".

We see it all the time, everyday, and still you and some others choose to ignore it.

To integrate into the community you need to be Thai. Learning the language is not relevant to that concept.

Learning Thai has other advantages when outside the main tourist areas, but it also has many disadvantages.

It won't stop them calling you the "f" word either.

Yes, and that I find disrespectful.

The less use of the F - word, the better, the greater chance we will be integrated and fully respected.

Interesting, this is exactly what I was talking about.

I wrote a popular post about this subject in this thread, check it out -----> http://www.thaivisa.com/forum/topic/594355-accepting-the-farang-status-and-the-implications