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8 minutes ago, Jingthing said:

He's going to  be impeached ... he will break so many laws it will make people's head spin, and he'll be replaced by a sane person, Pence, that unfortunately happens to be from the extremist far right wing that will kill social security and Medicare, among other horrors.  

You had the same far out pitches for Hillary, and look what happened. 

The reality is, you don't know any of this at all and could very well be proven wrong. 

3 minutes ago, stephen tracy said:

I ain't American

Then what the heck is your major malfunction? 

1 minute ago, LannaGuy said:

I know that fool but it doesn't make it right - one person one vote is all that's needed no matter where they live but I guess you don't support democracy

Cute, name calling.... Must have hit a nerve. Feels good over here. 

This is why I don't usually don't debate anything with the English. They are incapable of viewing things from an American perspective, but continually feel they know whats best for America and the World. 

News Flash - No One Cares. 

12 minutes ago, CaptHaddock said:

What people find acceptable is going to change as well, perhaps including Hillary Clinton. 

Hillary Clinton & Ol' Bill are out to pasture. Done and dusted. 

Either Trump does well, and we benefit, or its a turd sandwich, in witch case the Democrats can re-structure over the next 4 years and provide a point of view thats acceptable for the majority and easily start to take it back, without calling people derogatory names. Nobody likes that noise. 

The Democrats need to take the lessons learned here if they want to move forward. 

Just now, LannaGuy said:

why not?  the one who gets the most votes wins?  how can you argue against that???

You are English, so I assume you have actually learned yourself on how our Republic works and why. 

Because California, New York, Illinois etc would steal every election. This is not rhetoric or hyperbole. They would. 

There are other things at play as well but I'm not gonna explain it all for you. If you want to participate you should school yourself first. 

5 minutes ago, CaptHaddock said:

But the electors and only the electors have that authority.  Neither Congress nor the Supreme Court has the authority to override the Electoral College.

Do you, honestly & objectively, believe elimination of the Electoral College, in favor of the Popular Vote, is in the best interest of our Democratic Republic "for witch it stands"?

Or is it just because you don't like Trump, and thats enough for you to justify all this? 

Just now, Jingthing said:

People are wasting their time arguing about the electoral college. That's set in stone and the small states would never vote to overturn it.

Then why on gods green earth do you and other posters keep harping on about it? This and the "Popular Vote"

5 minutes ago, Jingthing said:

I wouldn't bother trying to change the electoral college system. That's never going to happen. Focus on winnable fights, which for anti-trumpists now, is THIN picking. 

What are winnable fights for you guys? I don't really get it.... 

16 minutes ago, Jingthing said:

I'd be very surprised if there isn't a major street protest in D.C. linked to the inauguration of mostly the groups he's insulted and threatened in the campaign. 

Pretty much everyone except white men. 

"Half of Trump supporters belong in, what I like to call, the Basket of Deplorable's"

"Racist" "Sexist" Bla Bla.... 

Yep, thats about, what? 30,000,000 Americans insulted right there, and clearly things like that made ol' "Hill" crash and burn. 

1 hour ago, CaptHaddock said:

Let's see how many millions will not tolerate Trump.

*Sigh*

Why can you not get off of this? How many millions will not tolerate Trump? I don't even know what that means. He got in fair and square.

Its just incredible/laughable that some of you guys are so butt-hurt by all this. This is an atypical election with totally shit atypical candidates and some camps (and media) are ROCKED AND SHOCKED by an atypical result. 

Lawd

4 minutes ago, SheungWan said:

 

The thankful or not stuff is as irrelevant as the other side claim of the popular vote. The rules of the game as stated are correct and it is the electoral college which decides. It is each state which sends its delegates to elect the president and the votes are not assigned proportionally. Sorry D guys but those are the rules and cannot be changed just because Trump is so horrible.

Weather or not the votes are assigned in a balanced way is an argument for another time, but in my honest opinion, the way it is now, its by far vastly superior than having only a popular vote. 

3 minutes ago, dcutman said:

Since people are having such a hard time accepting democracy, in it present form, it may very well be time to amend the election laws.

Maybe, do a best 3 out of 5 election? And if people's butt still hurts, we can revert to rock paper scissors.

Amend the election laws cause they lost lmao its a text book definition of a sore loser. 

25 minutes ago, CaptHaddock said:

The people who believe Trump are suckers and he always screwed them over.  This includes his business partners, investors, employees, the "students' at Trump "University," and soon, his voters.  Just watch.

The world is watching, clearly. 

Time will tell how it all plays out, but whats done is done. 

What you and all the other "Hill" supporters should take away from this, is the only reason trump got the White House is because people are very tired of the state of things and Hillary is a terrible choice. She is the embodiment of corruption and favoritism. Keeping the status quo, adding MORE regulation to an already choking middle class and business sector. 

The Dems had it and blew it by pandering to the minority and calling everyone else a racist to their face. 

Just now, hugocnx said:

Such a well articulated and intelligent post. 

3 minutes ago, stephen tracy said:

I am not in the minority.  Clinton won the popular vote.  Trump is not a politician.  He's a self-serving businessman. Did you see Putin raise a glass with his inner circle when it was announced Trump won?  Another quick out of the paddock to congratulate him was Hun Sen, as were Prayuth, Erdogan and Sisi.  It's an indication that they view him as a useful idiot. 

You are in the minority as it pertains to actual states and the electoral college vote. Popular vote, counted in each state, got trump in the white house. 

Popular vote means nothing dude and we should all be thankful that California, New York, Illinois etc don't sweep every election. 

2 minutes ago, stephen tracy said:

Have a look on the website and tell me if you can see the ban on Muslims.  That's not mere rhetoric.  It's not mere rhetoric, it's been deleted.  And there will be much more to follow. The reason being is that even DT knows his 'policies' are not realistic, let lone implementable. 

Ok so its the ban on muslims thats got ur panties in a twist. I don't really agree with a ban on muslims but restricting entry from places that harbor and train terrorists, yeah I don't see much wrong what that. Plenty of countries view certain nationalities as problematic. Its unfortunate, but until things are sorted out whats a country supposed to do? 

Most of the Muslim Ban stuff came out right after the paris attacks when tensions were high. I very unfortunate tragedy. 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/November_2015_Paris_attacks

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The Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant (ISIL) claimed responsibility for the attacks,^[7][16] saying that it was retaliation for the French airstrikes on ISIL targets in Syria and Iraq.^[17][18] The President of France, François Hollande, said the attacks were an act of war by ISIL^[19][20][21] planned in Syria, organised in Belgium, and perpetrated with help from citizens of France.^[22] All of the known Paris attackers were EU citizens^[23] who had fought in Syria.^[24] Some of them had returned to Europe among the flow of migrants and refugees.^[25][26]

3 minutes ago, geriatrickid said:

Trump had better learn to play nice with the press because they will rip into him and make his life difficult.

Like, have they been taking it easy on him or something? Im pretty sure they did their best and now its done and they can't sway shit. 

5 minutes ago, geriatrickid said:

The US public is about to have 4 years of buffoonery and instability the likes that have not been seen since  the last year of the Nixon presidency.  Obama restored the economy, I don't think  Trump will go back on that, nor do I see him doing much to change the affordable care act. Hopefully he slashes  social benefits for retirees and brings back the GOP tax reform proposal that would cut SS benefits to American nationals living outside the USA. Nothing would make me laugh more than to see Trumps supporters in Thailand crap their pants when their government handouts are cut. 

Well, thats certainly one doom and gloom spin but I don't think they will cut SS Benefits to overseas Americans. I know you clearly want to see Americans getting screwed, but honestly you are just going to have to wait until actual policies & stuff come out. 

1 minute ago, stephen tracy said:

Due to the fact that he's lied to them throughout the entire campaign.  Even a moron like Trump must know he will be unable to follow through on his 'polices' (AKA threats and lies).  He backtracked on the Muslim ban within hours of winning.  Not days, hours.  He told them whatt they wanted to hear because he knew they'd buy it, and they lapped it up.  He has no respect for them and would have said anything to win.  He played to their basest fears.  It was a cheap campaign. Vet much like Brexit. 

 

On another note, I did find the photos of him meeting with Obama in the Whitehouse yesterday amusing.  Poor DT looked like a little lost child.  I expect the fact that he is now head of state and will be expected to actually do something is beginning to sink in.  This is not a reality TV show, which is not actually reality, where he gets to lord it over a bunch of appalling sycophants.    You can not tell other heads of state that they are fired.  You can not grope or sexually assault their wives.  You must know what a map of the world looks like without reaching for a children's atlas. 

Ah ok so you got nothing but rhetoric. 

9 minutes ago, KhunBENQ said:

As an outside observer I am stunned by this antique election system.

Think about it, the USA is huge, many different people and regions with different problems and values. 

Honestly, going by popular vote, California, Illinois, New York, etc, would control every election. 

https://simple.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_U.S._states_by_population

Not arguing Trump or Clinton here, just the Electoral College vs Popular Vote deal as it pertains to the USA and its Federalist Democracy. 

1 minute ago, Dtrump said:

I hear you.  But better than some countries where you can't even vote for your leader.  Some party who is in power gets to pick the leader and not the people.  At least the electoral system is connected to the people choosing a leader eh?

Not only that, but in a way that gives power to areas that barely get any attention from anyone. 

12 minutes ago, CaptHaddock said:

The system didn't prevent Bush from starting two illegal wars out of which Cheney's old company made billions in no-bid contracts.

Nobody is taking away from that with Trump. Bush was Bush. 

6 minutes ago, CaptHaddock said:

Count petitioners on change.org is now 2.2 million.  Apparently, the lower number was not a correction, but an error.

Still pocket change and really interested to know what states hold all these people. 

1 minute ago, CaptHaddock said:

So fine, you don't believe in democracy.  Many of the rest of us still do. 

 

The last time they stole the election from the people we got two wars and countless deaths with a price tag of up to $3 Trillion dollars.  It's hard to imagine how much damage Trump will do.  But he isn't elected until Dec. 19 and he can still be stopped.  That is the procedure under the Constitution.

I believe our Federalist Democracy, witch is a union of many states under 1 flag, OUR Democracy. 

Nobody stole anything and infact there was ALOT of democrat nonsense mucking up the waters at the time as well. Read that wiki page. 

I mean really going by the popular vote, we might as well call ourselves California instead of the USA. 

Just now, stephen tracy said:

Ummm, well no one if you disregard half of the nation and the 10s of 1000s of protesters on the streets. 

I can easily disregard half the nation AND the protestors because Trump won. Fair and Square. Against all odds to boot. 

Mind boggling the amount of butt-hurt there is over this. 

Just now, CaptHaddock said:

 

Therefore they deserve more votes?  If you count one man, one vote, then Hillary won.

They deserve a voice man, and its surely better than going strictly by the popular vote. The weight of California alone, being staunch democrat, would be a huge voting pool, and thats unfair by anyones standards. 

Im not saying the Electoral College is the best way, but its vastly better than a strict Popular Vote. 

I honestly didn't even think Trump was gonna win until I turned on the laptop that morning to watch everything live. I had already, in my mind, accepted it. No need to fight it or get all nuts imho

Do you think that's fair? Some states have a smaller population with different values and problems.