rattlesnake

This is a fitting opportunity to share my favourite Bourla quote: “mRNA was a technology, but we had less experience, only two years working on this, and actually, mRNA was a technology that never delivered a single product until that day, not vaccine, not any other medicine. So it was very counterintuitive, and I was surprised when they suggested to me that this is the way to go, and I questioned it. And I asked them to justify how can you say something like that, but they came, and they were very, very convinced that this is the right way to go." https://www.washingtonpost.com/washington-post-live/2022/03/10/transcript-wp-subscriber-exclusive-albert-bourla-author-moonshot-inside-pfizers-nine-month-race-make-impossible-possible/

You have just summarised the Big Pharma business model. A business needs long-term clients. Healthy people, from a strict balance sheet perspective, are the last thing a pharmaceutical company wants.

I am open to all sources of information. Some Flat Earth sources I think are good, others not. Call them "grifters" (a somewhat overused term these days) or whatever you want, ultimately what matters to me is whether what they say is relevant or not. My answer to your question yesterday was "For the purpose of this conversation, Im going to answer yes". Make of that what you will.

Yes I have, dinsdale (though at this point, although it is notable, I do not consider the Final Experiment footage as evidence per se).

I put "science" in quotation marks for a reason, "science" and science are not the same thing. As for the rest, my experience of debates has led me to learn that virtually anything can be refuted, questioned, given a twist… especially in written form, so I try to keep it (relatively) short. I could say lots more, give more examples, add more quotes (as you could), but you have already made your point, as I have made mine. The vast majority of those reading this thread will not change their minds either way, but I believe some nuance has been added to the discussion, which is always a good thing. In my view, Stephen Hawking did not make this observation on the place of Earth in the universe for no reason, this prominent scientist said this because, ultimately, he was aware that nothing is ever set in stone. I encourage you to reflect on that and thank you for an interesting exchange.

no proof required no censorship…

The husband was sentenced to 20 years and the other guys between 3 and 15 years.

She testified in court that she had urological issues for years, but that neither she nor her doctors could really pinpoint it. She also frequently had "absences" due to the heavy drugging by her husband, which led her to believe she had some serious neurological issue. At no point, she claims, did she suspect her beloved husband could be doing this… and she apparently only found out about it when the police told her and showed her the footage of her being abused by all these guys while the husband was overseeing. The husband was arrested after being caught filming under a woman's skirt in a supermarket. Then the cops seized his PC and found loads of footage of his wife being abused by other guys in a folder called "À son insu" (which translates as "Without her knowledge").

I am French and I have been distantly following this case as it showed up regularly in my news feeds. It's the story of a bunch of severely twisted people, as there always have been and always will be. But the French media and politicians are trying to turn it into some kind of feminist, societal and civilisational cause by implying it happened because of "patriarchy" and all that BS (which basically implies that any guy in France could have ended up doing that twisted stuff because society allows it… when it really was just 50 deranged guys meeting on obscure forums to do deranged stuff).

This is a cleverly worded interpretation of phenomena to fit your desired model.

I can assure you there is a political and philosophical component in the so-called “science”. I consider myself to be Socratic, in that I follow evidence and then I decide what makes sense. French sage and physicist Pierre Duhem explained in To Save the Phenomena how modern “science” interprets data to fit into pre-existing models and concepts to explain and “save” the observable phenomena. In other words, observational data is twisted to fit the models. When data showed that the Earth did not move, the science industry strived to “save the phenomena”. This is where Einstein came into play as the theory of relativity actually kept Copernicus’ theory alive, saving centuries of “science”. Ref: Lincoln Barnett, The Universe and Dr. Einstein. The fact is, nobody in history has ever proven that the Earth moves in space (don’t take my word for it, I have added a few relevant quotes to conclude this text). From Aristarchus to Galileo, no actual proof of heliocentrism exists, only theories. And stories are told repeatedly to impose those theories as facts in the collective mind. For example, contrary to popular belief, Galileo was never actually persecuted during the 17th century for his dissemination of the heliocentric model. In fact, serious study shows he was funded by the Church, celebrated and given 2 days of public honor in Rome… His views were philosophical, not scientific, and they were used because they suited a particular endeavour at a given time. Plenty of experiments were made during the 18th and 19th century, such as by François Arago, which disproved the heliocentric model, but they were memory-holed. A few quotes: “… nor has any physical experiment ever proved that the Earth actually is in motion.” Lincoln Barnett (in The Universe and Dr. Einstein, 2nd rev. edition, 1957, p. 73) “Thus, even now, three and a half centuries after Galileo… it is still remarkably difficult to say categorically whether the earth moves, and, if so, in what precise sense.” Julian B. Barbour (in Absolute or Relative Motion, Cambridge University Press, 1989, p. 226) “So, which is real, the Ptolemaic or the Copernican system? Although it is not uncommon for people to say that Copernicus proved Ptolemy wrong, that is not true… One can use either picture as a model of the universe, for our observations of the heavens can be explained by assuming either the earth or the sun to be at rest.” The Grand Design, Stephen Hawking and Leonard Mlodinow, 2010, pp. 41-42

The semantics are clever, and the “facts” decided for us. Light years, trillions of miles… Unverifiable numbers so stupendoulsy huge that the human mind can’t comprehend them… and will ultimately delegate their appreciation and interpretation to the “experts”. This treacherous (and very effective) process leads us to negate our own eyes and common sense (a constellation observable from the same spot for 3,000 years can mean only one thing). What you are pinpointing here is a normal phenomenon. Every camera lens has a degree of distortion, especially around the edges. While some specialised concave lenses can be used to straighten curvatures in photography, it is not possible to do it consistently in video. There is plenty of amateur footage showing a level plane, however one will often see slight upwards curves around the edges. Flat Horizon.mp4 The same thing can be observed through airplane windows, but inverted, they are often convex and therefore it is frequent to hear passengers claim that they saw the curvature during their flight.

Yeah, they don't work.

A disease so deadly, you don't even know you have it… I remember, back in France, in 2022, they were talking on MSM about a "concerning trend": people were trying to catch Covid intentionally in order to obtain a vax passport without having to get vaccinated. People trying to inoculate themselves with the "disease" to avoid having to take the "cure"…

Yeah and I have a few screenshots of users of this site openly condoning this crime (and who would have been more than happy to send the unvaccinated to concentration camps).

Pretty much sums it up indeed!

I get an error too. If it's an image, the safest is to save it to your PC first, then add it via "choose files" under the message window, as a copy/paste can cause errors.

In any case, your side is losing. Is Peter Hotez publishing a new book about "what we can do to stop the conspiracy theorists at the White House"?

We don't know and might never will. One thing is sure, we all know people who have taken multiple shots and are feeling fine (some have testified in this thread). So a lot of shots are seemingly not that harmful, possibly not harmful at all. Now if we look at what Trump did with Warp Speed, a lot of those vaxxes were produced by his people at the DOD. Lots of people on Substack (you know which ones), Austin-Fitts and others see that as proof that DT is in on it. Others (Badlands, yours truly…) think a valid explanation is they made millions of them innocuous… which would tie into the "my vaccine saved millions of lives" phrases: maybe (emphasis on "maybe", I have no irrefutable proof nor certitudes) this is correct at face value. What matters is the result and the result is soon… and that will include KFC and everything else.

Thanks. As I mentioned near the beginning of this thread, ultimately, most globe proponents will always default back to this notion of "scales too vast to grasp" and the like. This is incorrect. So far, nobody has rationally explained the footage of a level surface visible at 121,000 feet, one poster even stating that "science" says the curve should be visible at 35,000… and then defaulting to the notion that the deception would be too big to accept before moving on to another aspect of the issue, leaving this one unresolved. Also, the post-Reformation historical context, which is essential to understand that the switch to heliocentrism was decided and implemented for political and ideological reasons, has consistently been laughed at and ignored, one poster even making a grossly inacurate contradiction as a result of his arrogance and ignorance (usually two sides of the same coin).

"Perhaps early members of “The Resistance” might wish to allow Bobby to “maybe” get confirmed, to “maybe” prevail against active and activated opponents in the military/intel/Pharma cabal, arguably the most powerful and well-funded and well-organized force on planet Earth - and who seek to derail and prevent his confirmation." A somewhat less popular take on things – of which I am a proponent – is that Trump and team would never have even remotely made it this far if the so-called cabal still wielded the power it enjoyed for aeons. To me, it all looks like incremental narrative deployment for the masses (which can't be shocked too abruptly into the realm of truth). I believe that at this point, a script is being followed but fundamentally the war is already won. 2025 will probably be the year which finally proves or disproves this view of things.

A friendly reminder of the model you believe in, visually represented below, shooting through space at 200 km per second or 720,000 km per hour. Orion was observed and described by the Babylonians and ancient Egyptians, and has consistently been seen above the Equator since. The rest is kindergarten-level deduction.

So far, my beliefs have not been rationally refuted. I recall derogatory language, lots of laughing emojis and lying by omission. I encourage you to write the entire Twain quote.

And here lies the gist of the issue. Belief.

This is nonsensical.