cusanus

I could add that online is awfully easy, assuming you have access to a printer for the stub sent to your email. But if it doesn't work, just toss the papers in a large envelope with the SASE inside and send EMS. I don't bother to have the return EMS. These days you should have your stub back in about 4-5 days. Years ago I much preferred to walk in, a nice day for me, but got used to mail / online. I didn't mean to incite complaints about the system, just help explain it. 

Yeah, 14 days prior, 7 days after. But rather I'm reporting back on the beating I took back when saying my friend could not report online. A month later, I reported online for myself w/o a problem and also a different friend did the same. Was beginning to think perhaps we really had made an error the first time, but his turn came up again. Turns out he really cannot report online, it won't proceed past the first page and the info is correct. After pondering this more, I'm pretty sure the problem is a mismatch between the arrival card number and the date of the arrival stamp as shown on his slip and what is recorded. For those who are wondering about this, and I'm not the only one I'm sure, it appears that one would have to leave and re enter Thailand for a new stamp, then you could do online. Another possibility is having someone at Immigration edit the records, if you can manage that. So, I probably don't need to spend any more time on this thread, just reporting my experience if it might be helpful.   

13 hours ago, terminatorchiangmai said:

you should have passed on this one indeed.

This site is for helping each other was my understanding. Got the downloaded form from Immigration working already in acrobat DC now. (did not worked before in Acrobat Pro) But thanks for nothing.

I'm sure everybody is mightily delivered knowing that you couldn't get Acrobat Pro to work but you fixed the problem with DC. Maybe you meant that Acrobat DC didn't work but plain Pro DC did, or maybe that Acrobat Pro X didn't work, though I'm sure everybody but me got it. Anyway, what I was really wondering, for the understanding of all, was why you didn't give Adobe or Foxit Readers a try, seeing as they were designed to fill in forms readily made fillable with Acrobat. So, what you're saying is that being informed that the purpose of all versions of Acrobat you're armed with is to readily make the blank form I posted fillable was not helpful to anybody? Or were you just speaking for yourself?   

12 hours ago, terminatorchiangmai said:

Does anyone have the new TM 8 form fillable ?

The downloaded one from Immigration website  gives problems half way wit fonts and therefore can not be filled in completely on the computer. Thanks you advance. Cheers

Should probably pass on this because I don't have a fillable form, but why not just fill in a blank one by hand? https://www.immigration.go.th/download/1486547955788.pdf
It's an easy job to make one fillable, too, but I think you have to have Adobe Acrobat or something like that, or you could just superimpose text boxes with either Acrobat or Photoshop. No offense, I'm often that up tight myself, but really...

3 minutes ago, Dmaxdan said:

90 day this morning. Arrived at 10:30 and I was finished within 5 minutes!

But what really surprised me was that I turned up with the usual paperwork and the officer handed me back my passport photocopies saying that they were no longer required. Only a completed TM 47 and your passport. Long time over due if you ask me.

Wow! Online has been working great, too. https://extranet.immigration.go.th/fn90online/online/tm47/TM47Action.do

6 minutes ago, Dante99 said:

That is cetainly incorrect.  

I believe it's the consulates that quit accepting them end of 2018, but the letters are still good for some time, three months was it?

On 10/31/2018 at 8:40 AM, om3n1rpak said:

I received this printout after signing the lease on my condo. I have been so busy getting situated that I pretty much forgot about it. To my. Understanding, this is my landlords registration for my tm30. I also see the badly translated text saying do not search further than 7 days from registration. Does this mean I needed to got to imm. Within 7 days of receiving this? If so do I need to request a completely new form from my landlord? 

Do you have the TM30 stub stapled in your passport? My understanding was that you and the house holder had to go to Immigration personally (within 24 hours) and get all this done, or fork over 1600 baht fine. If the stub is there already, you need to report again to Immigration if you change addresses or come back into the country (within 24 hours). I think the 24 hours isn't enforced that tightly, but yes, looks like you scratched. Anybody else?

58 minutes ago, Bill97 said:

Two weeks after, where did you pull that from?

55 minutes ago, cusanus said:

Holding my tongue... Two weeks BEFORE (or 15 days if you wish to split hairs) 
http://www.thaiembassy.com/thailand/90-day-reporting-immigration.php

Oh, yeah, 1 week after. My bad. Typo.

3 minutes ago, Bill97 said:

Two weeks after, where did you pull that from? ent from my iPod touch using Thailand Forum - Thaivisa mobile app

Holding my tongue... Two weeks BEFORE (or 15 days if you wish to split hairs) 
http://www.thaiembassy.com/thailand/90-day-reporting-immigration.php

11 hours ago, hml367 said:

I don't know where you read about the timing for mail-ins.... What the pdf that I attached says for mailing is:  I am not sure why it has the Bangkok mailing address because I got the file from the Chiang Mai Immigration web site.

Rather my point wasn't it?  The time frame for walk in has always been two weeks before to two weeks after. Why would it be any different for mailing? Anyway, everybody I know has been mailing as few as five days before the deadline and had no problem. 

10 hours ago, aremesal said:

I'm on a Non-ED, entered in Nov 1st. My first extension was due in 3 months because this visa is only for 90 days, so my first extension was before my first 90 days in the country. In fact, for this first time the permission of stay and the expiration of the 90days was exactly the same date.
So, as THIS time the date for extension and for 90days report was the same, in the very moment I extended they give me the "receipt of 90days notification". But I don't know if this counts as "first time in person" or not...I know from now forwards the date of extension and 90days report will not be the same anymore.

So, you're real question is can you do the 90 day report online (or must you go in person your 1st time)? As I said earlier, why not go to Immigration and ask? You likely won't have to stand in a long queue for a simple question. Assuming your date of extension is later than your 90 day report. I suspect you can do it online. Also, why not try online and see if you get confirmation? I'm on annual extension so maybe i can't grasp your point.

1 hour ago, hml367 said:

This is from the Chiang Mai Immigration web site on 19 January, 2019... Of course things could have changed. 90 day.pdf

Whatever the highlighted text seems to say, you have 90 days to report from the last day you entered Thailand, then every 90 days after. According to the rules, your next 90 days is supposed to be from the expiration date of the last deadline, but in practice they always stamp it from the date of the application when received (or accepted). The extension of stay has nothing to do with the next 90 day report. The friend I brought with me in July 2017 did her first extension in June 2018 and it had no affect on the next 90 day deadline. Perhaps the highlight meant that when you get your first visa in Thailand the next 90 day report starts from that point, I dunno. As for online I don't know. I suppose you could try the online 90 day report. Most of us are getting confirmation the same day. If you don't get a response within 2 days why not just go in, or rush over there Monday and ask someone if you can do it online.  Anyway, why not just go in person and make a fun day out of it. All I had when I first came was time, not so anymore, though. NOTE something else. The rules on the websites for mail state "at least 15 days" before expiration, but this one for mailing says: "The notification must be made within 15 days before or after 7 days the period of 90 days expires," which is the same rule for in person. I always figured this was right. Someone was just expressing paranoia about being five days away, but I'm sure no matter what the method, the time period for application is 15 days early or 7 days after (figure received, not mailed), so relax. 

4 hours ago, Odisan said:

Nope. Not working for me (IE, Chrome, & Firefox). I flew into Thailand in August, renewed online for the 1st time in October, but the system's sending me round in circles and I can't get past the details page. At 'Thailand' and "If online does not work.Mail in is easy, 21 baht (18 baht registered out, 3 baht s.a.e return) turnaround last time 4 days. No reason at all to go to immigration", there's overlapping time here and if you don't mail in at least 15-days before, some of them get uppity with it; they've 'warned' me before. Besides, having tried 3 days ago, I'm now 8 days away from the expiry date, and they definitely won't buy that. It all depends on where you live and the officers themselves, I guess.Like all systems it's convenient when it works, but when it doesn't...

Hey! I've a friend who's mailed in five days to deadline twice and got the stub back in three. I've mailed in twice at eight days to deadline and it's been back in five. For walk-in, you can go two weeks ahead or one week behind and you're okay, so DON'T sweat, they most likely will buy it. Just mail it in TODAY. What I noticed is that if I put in United States or America for nationality (Instead of American), it would give me the "For further information..." display after 1st page. Watch those drop down lists and make SURE you choose from the list of options. Chrome works fine. Try leaving the airline field blank (not required). Make sure your dates are correct format (the 2nd date field doesn't put the / in, you have to do that). So, try online once more, if no go get to that post office fast, mail EMS. 

Help me out. I finally got it to work and got an email saying it was approved. But where's the stub to staple into the passport? Does it come later or what? .... NEVER MIND, check status, then click on View to the right, comes right up. 

On 11/8/2018 at 7:15 AM, gunghang said:

FBU Manila advises sending the form directly to Wilkes-Barre.

 

ssa7162.pdf

Thanks, have spent three hours trying to figure out where to mail the thing, for a friend who hasn't seen one in a year and half, but I always get one around June and send it back in the envelope provided. The address above matches my best guess after hours of digging. One other thing, the EXAMPLE link above gives no example to fill out, just a link to your jpg, nor could I find an example via Google, nor are the instructions adequate for a downloaded (blank) form, so BEWARE: I might have missed this, so check the blank square just under Question 2 (for daytime phone number) and, assuming this is a blank form you downloaded, you MUST input your social security number or it's all for naught. Hopefully, I've got this squared away now. I also see a phone number for the Wilkes Barre address above, 1-800-772-1213 where you might get quicker and more reliable feedback, if you call during the right hours. 

1 minute ago, Mapguy said:

Another thought based upon the report above by briley:  To quote him:

Bank letter and copy of bank book cover page and the amount page.

 

If you are using the 800k deposit method, then be sure to include all pages necessary to reflect the continuity of the 800k on deposit.  With a fixed deposit, this is usually very simple.  If other day-to-day accounts are used, like a common updated passbook savings account, you probably would be asked for copies of all pages covering the required period.

I'd forgotten that thinking I needed it that very day and the banks weren't open yet, but they were kind enough to simply scan the required pages right at the desk where I got the retirement extension. Probably better if you get the copies done yourself, but apparently they'll accommodate you anyway. 

6 minutes ago, Mapguy said:

No TM30!! (Copy of the receipt, of course.)  Now, that's news! However, I would definitely NOT recommend going to Thai Immigration in Chiang Mai without a copy of it, a copy of the TM30 receipt in your passport, not just the original. One can hope that paperwork requirements might be simplified in the future, but play it safe on this one!

Dang, the Earth is flat after all. I think you had it right the first time. The TM7 is the application for extension REQUIRED for a retirement extension.  It also looks like you just lucked out not getting turned down for the lack of a TM30 stub. That is required and to be stapled in your passport. I suggest you go to the right office for that, pay you 1600 baht fine and get the TM30 receipt stapled in your passport. The TM8 is the form for a re-entry permit. 

20 hours ago, CMNightRider said:

I see a lot of comments about where to go to get copies made to turn into immigration.  Have any of you people ever wondered what on earth CM Immigration does with all these important copies?  They must be important or why else do these people want them...  Are they trying to eradicate trees, lol.  Immigration would have to have several warehouses just to store the countless paper copies they collect yearly.

That is a funny thought, have wondered about that myself. My guess is that they keep them for set periods and support a recycling business on the side. Would be very surprised if plastic bags are banned, even though nearly every evening you can smell the poisonous fumes of burning plastic in our neighborhood and the sea life is choking. I try to turn down a bag when I don't need one, but usually everything is bagged once and then again needlessly. 

5 hours ago, NancyL said:

The copy shop in the basement of Kad Suan Kaew charges just 1 baht a copy.  Get yourself organized in advance to save big baht!

Or buy yourself a good ink jet printer, I highly recommend the Canon G2000, networkable, hi quality, full color, have had mine for about two years, prints tons of great color prints and documents as well as passports and TM7s, TM47s, whatever... My wife has run through several reams of paper from her computer in the other room and we've had to refill the ink only a little while back. For four years prior to that I had a cheaper Canon with the ink wells on the outside, lots of messy problems, but this G2000 has never dried out or required a lick of maintenance. Passports and other docs I often spruce up with Photoshop and store in PDF files. 

1 hour ago, bloody tiger said:

Are procedures for yearly visa ext still much the same at the new CM imm as they were at Promenada and old CM imm prior to that? ie. get in early to get a ticket to get a queue number. Previously the initial ticket numbers would be handed out around 7:30 AM...still the same?

This may answer your question. Got there this morning at 7:30 for retirement extension, got queue R14. Sat by a fellow Rob who got there at 6:30 and had queue R13. It wasn't until about 9:00 before they got rolling on the extensions, desks 7 and 8. It was about 10:00 before they took Rob at desk 8 and me a few minutes later at desk 7. I was done about 10:30, about the same as Promenada except I showed up there about 6:30 the last few years. One might say things were more orderly, but the better chairs were offset by the unpleasant noise of the queue numbers being called on the speakers. I also believe one could have come much later and got business done. Queue R24 was being called as we were leaving. Also, front area parking is probably easier to find the earlier you go, but there were plenty of spaces there when we drove by about 1:30PM. What you don't have at the new building is a handy bank and coffee shop upstairs and shopping at Rimping and such afterwards. Of course, certificate of income letters are being phased out. They are supposedly good for six months from the end of December when most of the embassies quit issuing them, but 800,000 baht for three months in a Thai bank is safer. Don't forget to get the statement from the bank and copy the pages in your bank book and sign as you do your passport. That about sums it up, I think.   

9 hours ago, Maybole said:

I tried to collect my certificate of address today ( the correct appointed day) at approx 1330. After a desultery search through a sheaf of about 100 uncollected certificates (one of at least five sheaves ) the boy at the desk announced "not ready, come at 3pm."

I came back just after 3pm. and was told to sit down and wait. I sat down and waited and waited until 10 mins to 5 when I approached the counter again. Again I was told to sit down. At 5pm a girl called my name and handed me the certificate, only one. On previous occasions I have been given two.

 During my wait I saw no more than 10 certificates being given out and I estimate that there were about about 500 unclaimed when I left. Does that indicate than many people give up?

Also, I get the impression that Immigration staff would rather not have to do this job.

I think also that a certificate of address could be better handled by a local police station.

 

Just curious, but why would you need one a second time? I remember getting one in 2005 for a driver's license. Five years later I had to renew that but by then had a yellow book. I do clearly remember about three years ago going to a special office across the highway from Promenada but can't recall why I went there or if I actually needed a certificate of residence. I vaguely recall that I didn't end up doing anything. Maybe I'll ask my little wife about it. 

1 hour ago, Sparkles said:

1,000 baht for residence letter ,call it for what it is a money making scam.Takes all of 3 mins to enter name ,address date on the template and  print out.

 

Years back one of Imm's staff,who now works for another agent, did it while I waited and he was on his lunch break.         I Tipped him 100 baht for his consideration but now no tips are allowed but you pay 1,000 baht !

 

Imm office at Hua Hin & Jomtien friends tell me charge 500 baht.

 

If you went to a hospital and were charged 1,000 baht for a 3 min consultation with a specialist how would you react ?

 

Today I was at Bangkok Bank, KSK to get the print out of tax paid on investment account,took around 3 mins,done  with a smile, no charge.

Odd, in 2005 I went to the small building to the left of the old main building and was in and out in a few minutes, no fee that I remember, but I probably did pay something. The heavy influx of farangs since then surely has something to do with it. Anyway, yes, we get dinged here and there, but the overall COL is still reasonable enough.  Just hope you don't get tangled up in the court system, the sharks will strip you to the bone in no time. 

19 hours ago, atyclb said:

 

surely as someone with 8 years of university science you would understand "sample size" as it relates to validity of study, confidence level, etc etc. when assigning validity to "one person you spoke with that had a poor outcome/result"  i had no love for statistics/epidemiology but this is the most basic concept. 

the xray study needed to determine candidacy for implants is a cbct(a far cry from standard dental xray) and it is highly doubtful many dentists would do it for free unless it is factored in to the total cost for implants, in which case it is not free.

Oh, indeed, sir, I understand statistical designs far more than you ever could. I had the very best training from nationally respected statisticians in the field. Here's a link to a statistical theorem I wrote to improve the quality of parameters such as the standard p(F) used to assess replicated data sets (requires Flash Player), http://foosresearch.appspot.com. I'm a bit reluctant to post it since being disciplined for a personal weblink once before, but it is a legitimate, useful and professional contribution to the field of research and mathematical study that no one has disputed since 1978 when I first wrote it. I'm sure you're intelligent enough to grasp the concept. As for the X ray issue, I repeat... The Osstem implant work done by Elite Smile in CM was far cheaper than any other I could find locally, the work done of the highest professional quality, and the product seems to be as good as any. I was not charged a single baht for any X ray or appointment, so I believe you must assume it was factored in to the implant fee. The person I've recently conversed with is not a research study, he's a live human being who's suffering from a bad experience. I tend to give more weight to personal experiences than I do university studies, which are not infrequently biased for any number of reasons however good the mathematics cited. 

1 hour ago, cusanus said:

To summarize, Atyclib claims that scientific studies show that untrained dentists do as good a job as trained surgeons for implants (but doesn't cite his sources). 

Thought I'd add this note as just got done talking to a person who's had a regular dentist (not in Thailand) do his implant with disastrous results: bad appearance and a lot of pain for some months now. The dentist keeps telling him to just wait it out. The gum around the implant is lower, making him think perhaps it was put in too deeply. The crown is also discolored and with some sort of patchwork done of a different color. I told him to find a trained dental implant surgeon and try to have the work repaired before more serious problems arise. Cost at this point should not matter. I much agree with SheryL, also my experience that dentists in Thailand are highly specialized, but my first attempt at scoping out implants ran into a pretender who after saying the exam was free, charged me 800 baht for X rays. She recommended a post instead (at a cost not much less), then it became apparent that she really could not perform the implant advertised. I finally went to Elite Smile, had many X rays and appointments but was never charged a dime for any of them. You have to be careful.  

12 hours ago, atyclb said:

 

have a look at https://store.implantdirect.com/implant.html .  made in usa and us fda approved. seems implant hardware varies from 150 -230 usd excluding abutment and crown. 

To summarize, Atyclib claims that scientific studies show that untrained dentists do as good a job as trained surgeons for implants (but doesn't cite his sources). I had eight years university science and don't believe it, not that you can't dig up a scientific study to support any opinion, while most "scientific" studies have strong links to the industry that benefits from the results and many are heavily biased. If there really were significant problems with 45% of all those implant brands I'd have taken note before I took the plunge, but please include the web links. As I recall, a very thorough study showed roughly 4% failure with Osstems. One major cause is motion so if you grind your teeth all night, better think about that. Also, most failures are repeats with the same individuals, meaning that a very few people have an allergy or rejection or hard use issue, but most of us do not. I go very easy on my chompers. In any case, this is a delicate procedure and failures can be very messy, so go ahead and take the budget route if you like, but I was able to afford a high quality service that treated me far better than anything I'd experienced in the past 65 years, so I was very happy with plenty of money left in the bank. And, sure, there are other good ones out there, I just plugged Elite Smile in Chiang Mai as a reasonable priced, high quality option for those living here. Most work, indeed, I do get done through the government hospitals, such as two zirconia crowns that Elite would charge me 15,000 baht each for, but I got for 3,000 baht using the economy route. They seem just fine, but I'm not so confident about them. Time will tell...