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21 hours ago, Sparkles said:

Thanks for the reply but the foreigner, me, is not involved its the housemasters (wife's) responsibility isn't it ? and they cop the fine. The stub surely doesn't go in my passport the only one there is mine last time I went out of the country which is checked when I do 90 day reports and extension

Seems like you are somewhat confused and making a very big deal out of very little. It's the housekeeper's responsibility YES, but it is YOU (not you in this case but the visitor) who pays the 1600 baht fine. You could argue the point all you want, but it won't get you anywhere unless the householder says ok I'll pay which has never happened as far as I know. The TM30 stub is supposed to be stapled into the foreigner's passport, yes it is. I doubt they bother with that for 90 day reports, they never used to, but most of us do those via mail or online and copies of that particular item are not requested. Nor was it checked for extensions for many years, but I think it may be a problem now if it's not in the passport. Nobody ever bothered with the TM30 until about 2016 or so and it appeared to be a quick windfall when they started up. Whether it makes any sense to you or not really makes no difference to anybody else. It doesn't have to make sense. This is how all bureaucracies work. They don't have to make sense and often don't. 

27 minutes ago, Mahseer said:

By the letter of the law if your wife (home owner) has non Thais staying she should report this to immigration. Don't believe you have anything to do with it but the fine is around 1,600baht so why not ride your luck as chances of anyone reporting strangers in the neighbourhood are slim. I certainly would.

By the "letter" of the law, yes, but it's the foreigner who pays the fine. If they're only going to be here for 10 days, I can't see where there would be a problem. It's when you go for a visa extension that you may have a problem. My son arrived uninvited to his mom's house in Hang Dong a year ago and camped out for six weeks attempting to bully her into forking over all her money. My daughter in law owns the house but could not have possibly done a TM30 or been responsible because he was not supposed to be there. Also, despite numerous efforts to point this unpleasant situation out to Immigration police in hopes of having him removed, nothing was ever done and no one was fined. I hope this is directly related to Immigration. The point is you need the TM 30 stub in your passport IF you have to do an extension or something like that. Nobody is going to come looking for anybody unless perhaps there's a dead body involved.  

4 hours ago, JimGant said:

Actually, your partner becomes a co-signatory, not a beneficiary. As previously stated, Thailand has no 'pay on death' proviso to enable you to leave your bank account to a beneficiary, thus avoiding probate. So, take your partner to the bank, set her up as co-signatory (no Will necessary), they'll enter her name against the account, and issue a new passbook that has her name (hidden) associated with the account. Officially, upon your death, the account is supposed to go thru probate. Functionally, especially if your co-signatory is also your Will's beneficiary, just have her clean out the account before you're cold. No aggrieved party (I'm assuming), so who's to file a protest?

Now that seems like the best explanation of what we did. She didn't say beneficiary, but stated the money was available to me. I just can't read Thai and didn't get a good understanding of what took place. That really isn't ideal if she either dies suddenly or not be in a position to get to the bank. I'll have to mull this one over. 

4 minutes ago, silverhawk_usa said:

I have asked friends many times, "Do you not plan on leaving your partner (whomever that may be) something enough to take care of them and final expenses upon your death?" If you plan on leaving them something in your home country, are they going to be able to access that without a myriad of red tape, lawyers and hassle? If you do not have a partner, Disregard. ????   

If you have a will, take that to the bank with your partner and have your partner made beneficiary on one or more accounts. That's what I did at Bangkok bank. Only trouble was a series of papers that we signed being in Thai that I couldn't read, but that was the intent. 

3 hours ago, EricTh said:

400k is not a problem for most people, it is the 800k that is a problem.

I noticed there are lots of trainees/students at the info counter. They seem to have trouble understanding and keep on asking for my passport. When I ask question A, they answer with a totally irrelevant info. They seem to have trouble understanding English and even the requirements.

We're here to inform people about the rules, not tell them what their problems are. I've been here over 14 years and never failed to get good answers and efficient service, but I'll keep my eyes peeled and my ear to the ground. 

1 hour ago, EricTh said:

I just went to Thai immigration today and they told me the requirement is to have 800k two months and NOT three months before application date. Then after application date, we need to keep 800k for another three months for a total of 5 months per year.

Thou shalt not forget the minimum of 400k the remainder of the year. 

4 hours ago, Dante99 said:

Oh boy you have a Thai wife and children, live in Thailand and do not speak Thai. Ok, good luck.

My lovely Thai wife of 11 years was an English teacher for 37 years and the rest of the family all speak fine English, my 7 year old granddaughter learned English from many thousands of youtube videos before she learned Thai, and she reads and writes English better than I did at her age in Montana.  I don't know much Thai, and that's fine because I really don't wish to talk to most people all that much and my wife speaks a torrent in the clutch if she gets a shot at it.  

5 hours ago, stament said:

I reported with my wife a few months back but I'm currently out of the country and will be returning to CM late Friday night so planned on going Sat AM to Immigration with all the docs in my own if that's allowable by Immigration.

Wow. I always thought that technically it was the landowner who had to do the report, though in practice we end up doing it or paying the fine. I always assumed the landowner would have to attend, or was that just the first time?

9 hours ago, Olmate said:

If you live in Phuket too busy for that!

Oh, really? Then you have to pay a service for making copies and that takes more time and inconvenience. Sure, if you don't have a permanent residence and aren't hanging out here for long, or you aren't puter savvy, then a computer and printer isn't worth the trouble, but if you're on a retirement visa or otherwise here for several years or more, then it's well worth it. 

5 hours ago, Mahseer said:

For retirement extension if the 800k is in a fixed deposit account do you still need to update the passbook prior to application and also secure a bank letter confirming. thanks

My understanding is that you do not, but my question is why wouldn't you bother just to make sure? It only makes sense that you would have to update it because what is to say that all the money hadn't been withdrawn prior to the maturity date? But pretty sure when this subject came up before that the consensus was you didn't have to update. And, yeah, you definitely need a bank letter, so why not go in that same morning and they will update the books at that time for you? That's how I do it.

9 hours ago, ProbPossConf said:

The reentry process now require copy of the TM30, last TM6 and the passport page stamped with latest arrival.  This was not necessary last year.

These should be stapled into your passport which is required, of course. I always assume such things might be required so make my own passport copies and include every page (with something on it). If you have a computer, it's a good idea to scan every page and combine into a PDF file and update any changes. If you have a printer, copies are easy to do when needed.

1 hour ago, chingmai331 said:

They also demanded of me 'where did you get the 800K baht?' 

So what did you tell them? I understand that if the embassy does not provide affidavits that the income option (total or part) would be decided based on convincing documentation, whatever that is, but I think you need a social security statement or pension benefit letter or at least something solid. That seems a bit shaky. At any rate, I've been here for many years and have never been asked a stupid question like that.  Everyone has always been very friendly and helpful.  

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This is the 2nd year in a row my friend did NOT get the 7162 form. The first year, Manilla said there was no need the first year, but then her payments stopped in Feb 2018. She changed her address with SSA in 2017 before moving to Thailand, but after a few months it appeared she was not getting mail anymore. I helped her call SSA to get the address right, took four different tries and several hours because nobody seemed capable of changing it or reading it back. According the SSA per phone late Feb, it had nothing to do with this form. but they were unwilling to explain what it was really about except at first to say she had no proof of citizenship (she was born in Montana, been on disability SS for 20 years). Only reason she noticed is that Medicare sent her a bill - to the correct address, same one it should be in Thailand, so go figure. Took many calls to straighten this out. We checked over the address and she got one test mail from SSA to ensure it was still or finally correct. Then again this year she did not get her annual statement and once again no 7162 was mailed to her. She filled out a blank one with cover letter asking for an explanation as to why and confirmation, mailed it to W-B, but nothing yet, that was almost four weeks ago.  Not a clue as to what's going on with her. 

1 hour ago, Mahseer said:

NO! I file the way that works for me you want to file differently knock yourself out.

Same 2 ya.

10 hours ago, Mahseer said:

If you file early Immigration tends to ignore until closer to the deadline although I am sure there are exceptions. I file around day 82-84 and always get approval returned same day.

The instructions for online are 7-15 days prior. READ THEM. Five times I or close friends have tried the online method 5-7 days prior were all fails in that the second page of the application would not come up. All attempts at least 8 days early succeeded and received confirmation by early evening. I suspect filing on a holiday may fail as well. If the application went through then it will most likely be approved.  That's been my experience, anyway, but do click on the button for checking STATUS and see what you can see using the reference number given.

5 hours ago, hml367 said:

 

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Dang! Thanks a ton, brother. I usually go directly to https://extranet.immigration.go.th/fn90online/online/tm47/TM47Action.do, but I did not think of the "Check Status Button" as a way of going back to find the stub for the application already done. Guess I've got too much on my mind these days. Might help if they added "print receipt" or something. Anyway, yeah, it's NOT hard to do. THANKS AGAIN! 

11 hours ago, hml367 said:

 

Shoot! Didn't notice that button. Since closed that page and was waiting for confirmation by email which I got, but by now this page has been closed and I don't know how to print a stub. The email message reads "Notification 90 days is Approved. By Visit Status of check Can you www.immigration.go.th" but I see no way to print out a stub from that page. Any ideas on how to print the stub after closing the above page? I did print a copy of the page so I have the TRN and Barcode so there's proof of the transaction.  Go ahead and call me stupid. 

3 hours ago, Sparkles said:

In 12 years I have never been asked for a bank statement for a 90 day report.  

Most people now do 90 day reporting online or my mail.

I did mine online this morning and got an acknowledgement of approval, but not the stub for stapling into the passport which I remember getting last time. I think it's a violation not to have that stub in your passport. Well, maybe that will follow; otherwise, I'll have to do it over by mail.

5 hours ago, CMNightRider said:

Actually, if you were to rub those sleepy little eyes and wake up you would already be informed.  You are either a low cognitive westerner or you are a Thai practicing your English writing skills.  It's no secret westerners are leaving Thailand for greener pastures.  For the westerners who are staying, they shouldn't be concerned with those leaving so I'm puzzled by your denial.  

That was his point, Einstein, at least as I saw it. However, when I arrived 14 years ago CM Immigration was a sleepy little place, hardly busy, so definitely there has been an exodus, but with the recent tightening on visa requirements I don't doubt many old goats are leaving. Nevertheless, different strokes for different folks, I'll be sticking it out in Thailand with the sweetest little honey anywhere, plenty of green on this side. Keep in mind that you agreed not to insult other members when you signed up. By the way, you're leaving when, or I guess that isn't our concern?

14 hours ago, opalred said:

strange going-on  been on a retirement and marriage  visa  past 9years

i have left 400000b in bank and show stat dec  from oz embassy 40000b per month 

no problem //now stat dec no good /have to show money direct into account from oz govt will be changing to marriage visa simpler /400000b in bank and show bank book where money goes in 

You'll find that the marriage route is far more complex than retirement. Yeah, it looks like monthly deposits must be made directly into a Thai bank, so that can be very inconvenient, but I don't think it has to be direct from government pensions, just monthly from bank to bank is ok. Anyone, isn't that right? For sure if you can dig up 800,000 baht and put into a fixed account that's the simplest way.  

10 minutes ago, Tees75 said:

Question on lease documents required for retirement visa Extension

Have to renew my retirement visa. First time in Chiangmai. Does anyone know if Thai immigration Chiang mai requires a Letter from Property Agent summarising information thats already on Page 1 of Lease Agreement: Name tenant owner period of lease ?

My 14th extension this year, have never submitted anything regarding lease. I'm pretty sure you're thinking of the TM30. Your property owner has to submit a TM30 and then the stub gets stapled near the back page of your passport. You may not be able to get an extension w/o the TM30 stub, I'm not sure how tough they are about that these days, but there's a 1600 baht fine if you haven't got it, so it's probably a good idea to clear that up. Don't know where the office is for that since Promenada, but guess it might be upstairs in the new building. You should go there and ask about it. 

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Arrived this morning at 9:00, R15 in the queue, waiting on R9. Took until 10:15 to finally get called. Needed the usual TM7, passport, copy of passport with signatures was asked for which was ready, no 90 day reports required (though the last stub was stapled in the back of the passport as required). The IO was very friendly. Got the bank letter last Tuesday and updated the passbook this morning about 8:00. Less than 15 minutes to get updated retirement extension, back on the road before 11:00AM. 

57 minutes ago, happysoul said:

Hello, 

At what time people show up to get a 1 year extention (mariage) queue number? Is 7am ok or is it mayhem like it was before? Thanks in advance for your help. 

My impression is that it hardly matters what time you show up. Going at 8:00AM six months ago probably took longer because the IO guy went for a coffee break, but we were still out in two hours.