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Rubl only ever posts in yellow ink so difficult to understand
Correct, my dear chap. With most default settings you won't see a bloody thing if I write in yellow. Let try:
totally obnoxious text in yellow!
Mind you in red it works:
this is the nightsoil of a well-fed male oxen
you see? we do agree at last!!! everything is CLEARER when it's RED
dear JD, Animatic, whybother et al will all be thrilled
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What do you want the people to do? Have another election?
possibly or a run-off - and it wasn't me who took us off topic but that's by the by - let's stay here huh?
Actually, I think the run-off's need to be for the MPs.
The MPs should have to get a majority of the vote of the electorate.
not disagreeing
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OK .. in your definition "all" certainly means anything BUT an absolute. Germany --- how large is the German economy? Japan .. etc etc etc I would suggest that Denmark and Sweden and Germany are certainly "stable organized democracies."
Coalition governments and multi-party systems are common ... but hey! I certainly think "organized stable democracy" when I think China and Russia :-)
China and Russia are stable by the way - ever been have you? I doubt it
China will lead the economies of the world very soon - and India is catching up. Russia remains a dominant power as does the US - oh nearly forgot your 'examples' Sweden (Abba anyone?), Denmark (can't think of anything about them) and Germany (well they did do well after the war).
Can you stop being 'personal' and get back to the thread??? thanks
I love it ... you are suggesting that China is an "organized stable democracy"! I thought we were discussing democracies, at least! I didn't realize we were talking relative strength on the world scene particularly when the comparison point has to be Thailand. The tradition of coalition governments and consensus building in the EU is something to be admired. The fact that you relegate Germany to "well they did do well after the war" is .. well ... I think perhaps it alone proves my point.
as to "ever been have you? I doubt it" ---- LOL yes this is "personal " ... nothing that I posted was. (BTW the answer is "yes" in both cases)
Maybe what you really want is a "democracy" like China has?
This might help you discuss "democracy" in China in the future .... http://www.nationsen...AL-PARTIES.html
Thailand's issue isn't the form of government it has. This form of government works well in many places that are stable organized democracies contrary to claims by others. The issue here in Thailand is the entrenched regional power blocs/political machines. Coalition governments are probably the only practical way forward in Thailand until corruption laws for political office holders have more teeth. The idea floated in the OP just doesn't work. It would work in a country that doesn't have a tradition of coalition governments, but not here in Thailand.
Good morning dear JD... there are 'some' parallels between China and Thailand actually - censorship? not being able to discuss certain things? I don't think Thailand's democracy is much better and certainly less organised.
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USA? name another? UK? 2 major and 1 VERY minor who struck mathematically lucky for first time in decades - enough?
No. List of political parties in the United States
And No. List of political parties in the United Kingdom
All they have are two large parties, a number of small parties, and a lot of very small parties.
Not very different to Thailand really. Maybe the only difference is time.
list the votes - no difference to Thailand? wow I am almost speachless - I rest my case
Where did I say "no difference"?
The current Australian government consists of Labor (which is basically just a group of factions) and some independent MPs that could have gone either way in the bargaining after the election?
Australia currently has 4 large parties (Labor, Liberal, National, Greens) and a number of smaller ones (or independents) that might be a part of the next government. How is that different to Thailand?
In the UK, a party "sold out" (your words I think) to form government. Not too different to the BJT, is it?
yesI have to agree they 'sold out' and will be severely punished - the Liberals allegiance has always been more 'Labour' than 'Conservative' and I don't think they will be forgiven - but this was the first time since the war and you shouldn't overplay this 'blip' normally it's a two party system - not in the sense there are only two parties - but in the sense that only two, normally, matter.
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are you two married? of course they have other parties - but are considered 2/3 party systems as the other parties votes are NEGLIGIBLE now list the others parties votes Einstein
can we get BACK to the topic? now JD has hijacked it yet again - I'm sure if I posted about Snow White he come in with his buddy whybother and say she was really called Snow Black and she was a commie
How is Thailand so different from Australia and the UK?
In Thailand, there are 2 large parties, 1 medium party and a number of smaller parties.
The only reason the smaller parties get anywhere in Thailand is they are local parties. The local party represents the local people. Should the local people be forced to support one of the large parties just because they are large parties?
So, before you took us off topic with your '2 - 3 parties', I asked "How would a popularly elected PM get anything done if he didn't have the support of the majority of MPs?"
The MPs have to vote and get a majority to pass new laws. What is the point of a PM that can't do anything? What do you want the people to do? Have another election?
What do you want the people to do? Have another election?
possibly or a run-off - and it wasn't me who took us off topic but that's by the by - let's stay here huh?
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USA? name another? UK? 2 major and 1 VERY minor who struck mathematically lucky for first time in decades - enough?
No. List of political parties in the United States
And No. List of political parties in the United Kingdom
All they have are two large parties, a number of small parties, and a lot of very small parties.
Not very different to Thailand really. Maybe the only difference is time.
list the votes - no difference to Thailand? wow I am almost speachless - I rest my case
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OK .. in your definition "all" certainly means anything BUT an absolute. Germany --- how large is the German economy? Japan .. etc etc etc I would suggest that Denmark and Sweden and Germany are certainly "stable organized democracies."
Coalition governments and multi-party systems are common ... but hey! I certainly think "organized stable democracy" when I think China and Russia :-)
China and Russia are stable by the way - ever been have you? I doubt it
China will lead the economies of the world very soon - and India is catching up. Russia remains a dominant power as does the US - oh nearly forgot your 'examples' Sweden (Abba anyone?), Denmark (can't think of anything about them) and Germany (well they did do well after the war).
Can you stop being 'personal' and get back to the thread??? thanks
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USA? name another? UK? 2 major and 1 VERY minor who struck mathematically lucky for first time in decades - enough?
No. List of political parties in the United States
And No. List of political parties in the United Kingdom
All they have are two large parties, a number of small parties, and a lot of very small parties.
Not very different to Thailand really. Maybe the only difference is time.
are you two married? of course they have other parties - but are considered 2/3 party systems as the other parties votes are NEGLIGIBLE now list the others parties votes Einstein
can we get BACK to the topic? now JD has hijacked it yet again - I'm sure if I posted about Snow White he come in with his buddy whybother and say she was really called Snow Black and she was a commie
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ALL is an absolute and this isn't harassment. It is pointing out extremely flawed logic (in its best possible reading) or outright deceit since there are stable organized democracies that do not fit into your "all"
Democracies with coalition governments currently or recently include ......
the UK
Denmark (no single party with 50%+ since what .. 1909?)
Germany
Australia
Sweden
etc etc etc etc ...
I would call them all stable and organized. In fact, coalition governments are the norm in the EU aren't they?
Can we put the 2 party winner takes all idea to rest yet?
China? Russia? USA? UK? and you say Denmark? Australia? Sweden? don't talk about the UK - this was a one off fluke and still falls within my 2/3 party system definition -conveniently forgotten by you (again) - get it yet? 2/3 party includes UK? and the EU is hardly 'stable' - think BIG Dude? USA, Russia, China
PS India etc.
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and hence the problem with the system as is... all the stable and organised democracies have a 2/3 party system - one party 'wins' and that's that
Which countries have a 2/3 party system? All the ones I know have 2-4 major parties, but many other smaller parties. Which is the same as in Thailand.
In Australia, there is often a coalition party in government (both national and state).
What was the difference between the 2001 and the 2005 TRT governments? The first one was a coalition formed after the election. The second one was a coalition formed before the election.
A large party is nearly always made up of factions. How is that different than coalitions? The only difference is the election budget and marketing. The politics is still the same. Still the same in-fighting. Still the same compromises.
In a system where a majority of MPs is required to make decisions, then a majority of MPs should be needed to make the main decision - who the PM should be.
Unless you think that a minority of MPs should make the laws of the country?
USA? name another? UK? 2 major and 1 VERY minor who struck mathematically lucky for first time in decades - enough?
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he would be the elected leader of the largest party?
Not exactly.
He would be the leader of the party with the most party-list votes.
He might not be the leader of the party with the most MPs.
I meant most VOTES not most MP's - and anyway the party with most votes SHOULD be the party with most MP's
In the last election, the Democrats went very close to being the party with the most party list votes, but the PTP easily got the most MPs.
So "should" doesn't necessarily mean "is". My point is, what happens if he isn't. How does he get anything done?
And given that you need a majority of MPs to pass laws, it's irrelevant who has the most MPs (or most votes). The PM needs the support of the majority of MPs.
and hence the problem with the system as is... all the stable and organised democracies have a 2/3 party system - one party 'wins' and that's that
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he would be the elected leader of the largest party?
Not exactly.
He would be the leader of the party with the most party-list votes.
He might not be the leader of the party with the most MPs.
I meant most VOTES not most MP's - and anyway the party with most votes SHOULD be the party with most MP's
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I agree with this sensible approach which would bring a semblance of unity and no cry's of 'unfair'
Although I agree it would be "fair", I don't know how it would work.
What is the good of a popularly elected PM, if a majority of the people that vote on the laws (ie MPs) don't support him? How would he be able to get anything done?
If he did have the support of the majority of MPs, then he would have been PM anyway.
he would be the elected leader of the largest party?
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I agree with this sensible approach which would bring a semblance of unity and no cry's of 'unfair'
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For clarification I seek a Pajero, which is imported, and it's the date of registration here - nothing underhand about it. I asked for the date of manufacturer and got 2005 which seems fair enough?
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BTW where exactly is this place? the Plaza referred to? are the bars all in one place or scattered off soi's?
Santitham Plaza is a large, low cost condo development in the center of Santitham. Unusually, the developer has a social conscience and tried to make a nicer place to live than the normal "battery chicken farm" style dormitories around town. They added plenty of parking, a swimming pool, gym, large A/C food court, massage centre, a nice coffee shop with garden and lots of small shops. Real nice
. The shops never made it and gradually the bars crept in to occupy the space. Now virtually everything there apart from the swimming pool and gym is wall to wall bars catering to the student trade If you don't know the area, come from the superhighway and take the road immediately after and alongside the Chiang Mai Grand View hotel. Keep going straight and you'll end up in Santitham Plaza. Or if you come north on Santitham Road from the traffic circle (Haa Yak Santitham) take the first or second left after Lotus Express.
It's shown on this Google Map just ignore the other stuff if not your thing
ok thanks (yes the other not my thing but each to their 'own') thanks again
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The other side of the coin is red-shirt gangs (said like this on purpose!) frightening Democrats MPs from campaigning upcountry.
When has that happened during the run up to a general election? Links appreciated, thanks in advance.
You removed too much of my post you quote otherwise you could still see my source of information:
"Like k. Jatuporn I have looked at the sky and therefor can claim"
What source of information?
Your post is unintelligible.
Still waiting on those links confirming your assertions as stated above.
Thanks.
Rubl only ever posts in yellow ink so difficult to understand
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The other side of the coin is red-shirt gangs (said like this on purpose!) frightening Democrats MPs from campaigning upcountry.
When has that happened during the run up to a general election? Links appreciated, thanks in advance.
Happens IME every time in the North-West & Isaan, just as TRT/PPP/PTP people receive a warm 'welcome' in the South, which is equally deplorable.
No wonder the current PM would like a calmer atmosphere for the forthcoming election, he recognises the problem, and speaks out about it, one small step in the right direction, etc ?
I have seen TRT/PPP and PTP people campaigning in the south with no hassles from anyone, they just don't get many votes.
I have seen them in Surat Thani, Sutheps bastion of power, and they get freedom to say what they want and their posters are not torn down, they even get left up for moths afterwards. So this is in stark contrast to the beatings and violent break ups of political meetings in the north/north east by anyone not on the Red Side of the fence or it's precursor groups of absolutist zealots and paid thugs.
Sorry but your argument holds no water. They campaign safely in the south.
never heard of any beatings up here Dude - there were some a couple of years back (to be deplored) but your argument that 'everything in South is wonderful and we should all love Suthep' and everything red should be dead - is in stark contrast to some of your more reasonable posts (which I still may disagree with but some points are valid).
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but I'm sure they can be more enterprising when the rent and tution fees are due
what dooooo you mean? I'll go find out...You'd have to enjoy chatting with younger women though
dam_n that could be a challenge - but I'll try...Edit: BTW where exactly is this place? the Plaza referred to? are the bars all in one place or scattered off soi's?
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from Post #79 It's an old story but bears reminding that Capone wasn't convicted for murder but for tax evasion.
This one has come up now on several 'Visa' Forum topics... While true, Capone was only convicted because -- as the Feds had been unable to indict or convict Capone on racketeering, murder, and other charges -- they were willing to commit an extraordinary amount of resources to prosecuting the tax evasion case. From Wikipedia
(It was not Elliot Ness but) was Frank J. Wilson who conducted the investigation into Capone's income tax violations that the government decided was more likely to end in a conviction. (IRS Agent) Wilson would spend the next three years gathering information on Capone's financial dealings including tracking down mob accountants and bookkeepers.
So don't give the US Feds or authorities elsewhere a good reason to investigate you.
I once dropped a piece of Mentadent chewing gum (I think it was an accident but would not swear to this under oath in the court of law) in a small side soi in Krabi about 2 years 7 months ago - I can't recall the exact time or date, so everything has to be recorded as being approximate.
Do you think "THEY" were watching me!!! and can I sleep easy in my bed tonight??? I think that I might have got away with this minor indiscretion as it's been over 2.5 years now and I doubt that they would have compromised their resources for this amount of time on watching my every move. NB: Alcapone was only subjected to 3 years of constant surveillance and I think his crimes were more serious than mine and this is the reason behind my now feeling 'safe in my shoes'.
I'm much more careful now when the chewing gum is approaching it's useful life-time and has served it's purpose of moistening my mouth and I know that it is time for it to GO!!! I gingerly remove it from my mouth and look for a wide rimmed top opening bin to position it dead centre (center for the US contingent) over the top and release it by relaxing my fingers and flicking it ever so slighty in the evnt that it is sticking to them. Oh, I also make sure that I'm not being followed when I go to get my fresh supplies and sometimes walk very fast to throw them off my trail as they are invariably carrying extra weight and cannot keep up with me.
Incidentally I might find an alternative means of exercising my mouth muscles as it would be safer and not leave me open to arrest and would remove any such worries that I may hold on whether"'big brother is watching me" at all times just in case I have a similar accident in the future.
OK. I'll come clean and risk the chance that the Thai visa enforcers are not reading my every post as they would surely inform their American 'brothers' and...... I'll come straight out and admit that I menacingly tossed it right in the middle of the path where people tread and then walked to the other side of the road (about 6 feet which gives you an idea as to the size of this particular soi) and waited for the 'victim' of my evil ploy to walk right on to it and then snigger and giggle unashamedly at their feeble attempt to remove the offending gum from their shoe!!!! Ah, that is a weight off my mind now and I needn't carry this guilty secret to my grave with me!!!
Ohhhh, did I just go off topic with this?????? I apologise (ize) profusely if I did and like the chewing gum incident (as it may become known in history) I will try not to let it happen again!! But no promises - MIND YOU!!!
what a...
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But in this case Jatuporn's comments seem entirely reasonable to me, or at least the concern behind them.I have no information about military teams being despatched but the concern is legitimate.The Thai military does interfere in politics and has tried to manipulate elections in the recent past.
I also have no information on red-shirt militant factions which seem to have disappeared, but my concern is legitimate. The UDD leaders do interfere in politics and are trying to manipulate the upcoming elections.
Two sides to a coin (and a rim around it)
not as much as the Army but you will never admit to it - it's all red red red with you
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comments made by those who try to stir up trouble
He's referring to Suthep?
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The problem is, any company needs to be registered in Thailand, which requires 2,000,000 Baht in tied-up capitol and of course 4 Thai staff per 1 work permit.
I wish people would stop saying this as if it applies to all citizens across the board, it does not apply to American citizens.. It is misleading information of the worst kind..
Not completely misleading information....the THB 2.0 mil requirement goes away, but the 4 Thai staff per WP still applies as far as I am aware
An WHAT makes American citizens so special that they don't require the 2 million? If this is indeed true then it has to be another case of discrimination. Some need it some don't! WHY?
bit like Americans don't need to show proof of income for a visa??? us Brits have to produce bank statements for three months - yanks just go in and swear they have the money (many don't)
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A bit more detail:
* technically, anything that requires effort or thought is illegal without a work permit. obviously the law is so broad in its current wording that any sane court would throw it out. most likely its broad deliberately so that it can be used to deal with anyone who needs dealing with.
* student work permits exist. they are 6 months long and require a letter from the university. they also only allow 'trainee' positions. in many companies this means either no salary or a slave-wage salary.
* online work is not explicitly forbidden but as there is no legal framework to regulate it, it is forbidden by the blanket law mentioned above. there are several reasons for this. racism is an issue, but not a huge one. in the marxist system, work is power. if someone can do something useful, they benefit themselves in an abstract sense - experience, duty, etc. if they get paid for it, thats a practical reward, too. limiting the ability of foreigners to sustain themselves outside of 'the system' touches on national security. furthermore, there might be worry about how much 'damage' or change could be done by computer-weilding farangs if online work was allowed. so many aspects of business, society and governance are moving into cyberspace. the only way those in charge can stay in charge (for now) is by slamming on the brakes.
* practically, the line between actually working online and just messing around is very blurry. i have personally been told by someone from the ministry of labor that a website or blog is considered to be 'work' of the content is useful or beneficial in some way, and not work if it is more unprofessional or amateurish. this brings up an interesting problem: some people just are mature and professional in how they do things. its a personality trait. some people just dont do a half-assed attempt at whatever they do. which type of farang are our esteemed hosts looking to attract? the lazy seat-warmer kind or the hardworking and socially responsible kind? could this issue be a way to formally challenge the policy?
* i would guess that whenever someone is arrested for working online without a work permit, they did something else wrong first to attract attention. practically, it is next to impossible to prove that someone is actually working if there is no offline, real-world evidence, and if basic online security precautions are taken.
Good post thanks for sharing - the only portion of your well thought-out post I might clarify is:
' they did something else wrong first to attract attention'
Far more of a worry is if you happen to upset someone and, spitefully, they report you to immigration (it has been known - I know of two cases personally - one a Thai reporting a farang and another of a farang reporting a farang). This is of much more concern.
. The shops never made it and gradually the bars crept in to occupy the space. Now virtually everything there apart from the swimming pool and gym is wall to wall bars catering to the student trade 
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i hope someone understands this?