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Just who is this mysterious group of people you consider the ammarat. Lets face it you are clueless and pick a mysterious unknown group to be behind it all. Do you see conspiracies in every thing backed up by mysterious unnamed people. The people who are in power were the PTP red shirts backed up by Thaksin Shinawatra. No secret there. No mysterious bunch of unnamed people.

The people who are behind Suthep are the grass roots people who after years of watching the destruction of a decent government have risen up no secret there. Yes there names are unknown but you might know a few of them your self. They could be your neighbor or work mate. Your grocery clerk the man behind the desk at the information counter in the Mall The factory worker. Just plain ordinary Thais who have had enough of Thaksin and his clan which includes many bought and paid for politicians.

From a very competitive entry the above post wins the dunce's hat for meeting all three main criteria of (1) fatheaded ignorance, (2) lack of perspective and (3) sheer thickness.Special merit was acquired in the last category.

Turning to the real world and the thread subject matter I have changed my mind somewhat on the likelihood of a judicial coup which I had thought inevitable.I believe the odds are about even now, the main factor being a growing awareness by the unelected elites behind Suthep that the consequences could be catastrophic.As the article rightly points out for every action there is an equal and opposite reactionStill one should never underestimate the shortsightedness of some influential figures so the odds have only been reduced.

The Asian Sentinel covers some of this ground rather well.

http://www.asiasentinel.com/politics/thai-opposition-losing-gamble/

I feel a little background briefing is required and I am indebted to Freddie Gray of THe Spectator for supplying it.

Here are ten handy phrases for bluffing your way through a conversation about the situation in Ukraine:

1. ‘It’s simplistic to think in terms of east versus west in today’s global, multi-polar world.’ A classic this: the phrase can be adapted and used in just about any serious conversation about anything. Say it early in the discussion, before anyone else can.
2. ‘Sevastopol is of great strategic importance for Putin, especially given the ongoing situation in Syria.’ A useful ploy, this remark establishes you as a bigger-picture guy, who grasps the geopolitics of both eastern Europe and the Middle East — and that global, multi-polar world you were just talking about.
3. ‘What we are seeing here is the return of geography.’Similar to the last, this one neatly lifts you away from the intricacies of Eastern European diplomacy and has the advantage of being almost completely meaningless.
4. ‘The similarities with Hitler and the Sudetenland/Anschluss/Peter the Great/ Stalin and the Tartars/Genghis Khan are striking.’ Historical analogies are invaluable to the experienced bluffer, but the amateur must tread carefully. It is terribly easy to become unstuck in the past. When in doubt, hedge: ‘I am not saying that Putin is Hitler, but …’ or ‘it’s easy to get away with these comparisons, but …’ Try to look pained, as if contemplating both the complexity and the imminent possibility of human suffering.
5. ‘Ukraine literally means “borderland”, of course’ — easy one to remember, but a sentence that hints at real wisdom. It has the added benefit of not requiring any follow-up knowledge. Use in the context of ‘statelets’, ‘the great game’ and ‘annexation’.
6. ‘Yes, but Putin is in danger of over-playing his hand.’ Especially effective as a foil: if the clever bloke at the other end of the table is discussing an article he’s read in Foreign Affairs, just wait for him to say anything about ‘the limits of western power’ and pounce. Replace the word ‘Putin’ with ‘Nato’ if he is going the other way.
7. ‘One must always be wary about unleashing ethno-nationalist forces.’ This one sets you up to make quite racist generalisations without seeming explicitly racist. ‘The Slavs are at their most dangerous when national borders are in flux,’ you can add, having already dropped your ethnic sensitivity card.
8. ‘The Orthodox have a different way of looking at these things.’ Religion never fails when you need to generalise; refer noddingly to the ‘Moscow Patriarchate’ as if you expected all your companions to know the various traditions within Eastern Christianity.
9. ‘It all comes down to the energy markets.’ No one will dare contradict you here. Link the crisis to the ‘shale gas revolution’. Refer obliquely to deals between the oligarchs, the Kremlin and Gazprom, and throw in the words ‘Glasnost’ and ‘Perestroika’, ideally in an ironically proficient Russian accent, for good measure.
10. ‘I am not sure we should be making light of the situation — we are talking about a potential World War III here.’ The Puritan’s gambit; this establishes you as a serious dude who cares and silences those who might have been enjoying themselves too much. Send it as a reply to anyone who shares this post with you online.

If you have any evidence that Khunying Pojaman had anything to do with that please provide it - and not just the usual unsupported innuendo.

I would also suggest you consult forum rules about your post.

Starting to feel the new PDRC laws.

You cant go shopping at Emporium or Paragon anymore if you dont support the views of the PDRC because they are now "yellow zones" only.

Apartheid is coming to Thailand soon.

Actually one would get the wrong impression from the comments on this thread of the reality.Many upper class Thais in Bangkok while disliking Thaksin intensely have no particular problem with Khunying Potjaman.Indeed she is friends with many of them.I am reliably informed that Khunying Sasima Sirvikorn telephoned to apologise for her daughter (Thaya) and son in law's poor behaviour.Thaya's brother also called to apologise.A storm in a teacup no doubt but it's always worth remembering on Thai Visa few foreigners appreciate the interconnected upper class Thai world - mainly because they have no connection with it or knowlefdge how it works.However the current crisis plays out the monied upper class whether leaning towards red or yellow (obviously the bigger majority) will not be casting any member into outer darkness (Thaksin excepted of course).

Diluting the votes of the rural northerners is the only reform that will prevent PTP from continuing to win elections. It is the only reform the PDRC could bring in that would allow the Democrats to "win" an election. All the "corruption" and "Thaksin is evil" stuff is just a smoke screen. They thought that taking away half the senate from the electors in the last constitution would allow them to maintain control of the permanent institutions and thus be able to still exert pressure on the government of the day to do their bidding, no matter who was in power. They clearly thought wrong and now they want to illegally seize power again and enact reforms that further disenfranchise voters. The principle of 1 man 1 vote is the only thing that the PDRC is truly opposed to - the rest is negotiable.

Can you link to anything that indicates that the PDRC is against "One man, One vote" in any of their proposed reforms?

You might wish to reread the post you commented on.He was not saying that PDRC had any such official view (I don't think it has official views on anything), simply that it was implicit in everything it stands for.We know that PDRC includes many PAD leaders and followers, and a restricted franchise was certainly part of their programme - however much back pedalling went on later.The PDRC certainly has much to say about the evils of majoritarianism.The reality is the Democrats/PDRC are never going to win power in an electoral democracy without huge changes in policy and leadership, or a franchise system which gives greater weighting to "good" people.

And perhaps a final quote from the illustrious scholar Duncan Mccargo summarising what the heart of the problem is all about:

"Affluent Bangkokians have finally grasped the logic of electoral democracy: they are permanently outnumbered by the rural masses."

I saw macargo's quote and i think it is fundamentally wrong.

Affluent bangkokians feel they are permanently gree the tragedy isould aoutnumbered (hence this prolonged Suthep led hissy fit).

They have yet to grasp though the logic of electoral democracy however, that when the numbers are against you, you gotta go out and convince them to vote for you.

But that requires hard work and I haven't yet seen any evidence that the democrats are up for a challenge. Which is a shame really, as any political stategist worth his salt could figure out a strategy to beat this Puea Thai 'B' team.

You are entirely correct.However I don't think your position is inconsistent with what McCargo says.As I understand it he is saying affluent Bangkokians do understand the electoral implications of their minority position, hence - the implication being - have unwisely thrown their lot in with anti democratic forces personified by Suthep.As I think you would agree the tragedy is that the Democrats haven't risen to the challenge.Indeed all the signals from Abhisit (less so Korn) are that he doesn't really feel much needs to be done by way of internal party reform.It's very frustrating as in a country like Thailand it's hard to believe the rural majority (at least in the N and NE) is a monoloithic Thaksinite lump.

The need to reform a political party allied to the establishment in the face of electoral pressures is hardly unique to Thailand.Look at the UK's Tories (even crustier than Thailand's Democrat Party at one time).It reformed itself so that it attracted millions of newly enfranchised working class voters.Result - the aristocratic and wealthy classes sacrificed a little but kept most of what they had.The risk in Thailand given the present no compromise craziness is that the elites may lose everything, in extremis even their lives.

This thread confirms Thailand has changed - for the worse. At one time we all boasted that we were all ex-special forces with hi-so connections.

Now the latest dick-swing is pretending you had a public school education followed by Oxbridge and then bragging about it endlessly as a way of giving yourself extra credence.

Welcome back.

Obviously it's wrong to pretend what you are not.However this is an anonymous forum so one can pretend to be anyone or anything.You are for example pretending this is your first post.

By definition ex special forces types in Bangkok do no have hiso connections.

If one pretends to be well educated and isn't, that's inevitably reflected in posts - however hard one tries to sound intelligent and well informed.If one is actually well educated, that's a good thing isn't it?

And perhaps a final quote from the illustrious scholar Duncan Mccargo summarising what the heart of the problem is all about:

"Affluent Bangkokians have finally grasped the logic of electoral democracy: they are permanently outnumbered by the rural masses."

What you cannot do however is lie.I have never posted anything remotely akin to the specific charge you have made about Yingluck/PTP and the amnesty.

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I haven't lied. I have a distinct memory of having had a discussion with you around the time that PTP were elected, in which i argued, along with a good number of others, that all this talk of the need for reconciliation and these claims of the PTP being the ones who could possibly achieve it (if not acheive it, certainly do a better job than the Dems) was a load of baloney, and that the only reason they were constantly talking about reconciliation was because of opportunity it potentially presented to them to get Thaksin back and off the hook. And my distinct memory is of your response to that being, along the lines of, "don't be silly, stop trying to preempt what they will do... wait and see... the chances of them doing that are very remote, because of the political and social turmoil it would create... the PTP / Yingluck aren't that stupid... stop obsessing about Thaksin...".

Come on, you have to admit, that does sound like you, doesn't it? No?

Sadly, Thaivisa records only go back a year so i can't quote you directly. I will make you a deal therefore. If you can put your hand on your heart and tell me you said nothing of the sort, that you in no way misjudged this debacle in the way i am describing, then i will take you at your word, retract my claim, and apologise for my bad memory. I'm happy to do that because although I know you to be many things, i don't take you as a liar. So, over to you...

Well thank you for the reasonable tone which I appreciate.What prompted all this in the first place was your very unreasonable response when I pointed out the Democtat/Suthep links.Anyway in the same spirit if I have personalised any of our discussions excessively, I apologise.

Turning to your specific question, the honest answer is I can't remember in detail.I certainly may have said the new government should be given a chance since it had a clear mandate.As to Thaksin I am quite sure however my position was (and is) that the charges against him were politically motivated and in any event relatively trivial,his shocking human rights offences being off the agenda because those in pursuit of him were also implicated.I am also sure I have posted that Thaksin must remain in exile for the forseeable future.I have never been a fan of the amnesty.Though a different point I may well have said stop obsessing about Thaksin because I believe this struggle is fundamentally about other causes.Thaksin is the mere catalyst though I'm aware you disagree.The question you might want to ask yourself is a hypothetical one.If Thaksin and his family were today magically spirited away to Nirvana would the country revert to the status quo ante? or would - as a result of Thailand's profound social changes - a political movement emerge very quickly (hopefully led by a less divisive person) to win power at the expense of the Democrats (and those non elected power groupings that have been backing them?)

Incidentally I had always hoped the Democrats under Abhisit would get their act together.I feel much more comfortable personally with people like Abhisit and Korn - and they are closer to me in social and educational background.Still I firmly believe that when historians consider events in Thailand fifty years from now Abhisit will be seen to have been a greater disaster than Thaksin, someone who had all the talents but failed because of character defects.

The voting system in Thailand is completely ridiculous. You can't vote where you are currently living. Is it like that anywhere else in the world?

in thailand is the same.

you must vote in your home.

for this people the home is not in bangkok.

Hi Ponchi

Congratulations on a great joke account.It must be difficult to combine such stupid and ignorant opinions with horrible English - but I think you get the comic effect just right.I don't know how you do it but I look forward to lots more rib tickling posts.

Look, she is not a joke. She is honestly telling the way she thinks and that, agree with it or not, is shared by many other Thai people.

For example, home is where you are born not where you live. That is the same as China law.

Beside that I suspect her English is better than your Thai.

No, it's a joke.Nobody could be that stupid,unpleasant and sheer ignorant.But it's a very good parody and every post is hilarious.

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Oh dear this has become embarrassing for you now.I noted your shift from suggesting I denied links between Thaksin and the redshirts to your later revised criticism that I "downplayed" links.

The words I used from the outset were downplayed / denied. You ignored downplayed for obvious reasons. Matters not, as you have been guilty of both.

The odd aspect is that I am on record as criticising Thaksin many times for exploiting his followers, and for attempting to force through the ill advised umbrella amnesty.

Indeed as you are also on record as having said that PTP and Yingluck were not purely driven by trying to help Thaksin with the amnesty plan and that people who predicted they were, were simply usual suspects with Thaksin obsessions. Another Thaksin link you badly misjudged.

But you make the classic error of placing Thaksin centre stage when in fact he is just a catalyst.The old order is dying in Thailand and the redshirts to some extent reflect this as increasing wealth and modernity have destroyed old fashioned social deference.

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About time you came up with some new material. Been repeating this nonsense years.

You can disagree with me on Thaksin's significance though reasoned arguments would be more effective than petulant charges of " nonsense".But that is not a matter of major concern: I do not expect intelligent or interesting insights from you.

What you cannot do however is lie.I have never posted anything remotely akin to the specific charge you have made about Yingluck/PTP and the amnesty.

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You just repeat yourself and compound your folly.Which links have I denied?

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What i actually said, and have since repeated a couple of times, was that you downplayed or flat out denied certain links. Yet every time you come back to refute my statement, you only ever refute having denied certain links. No mention made or any denial from you of having downplayed certain links. I'm assuming you are ignoring the downplayed bit of the statement because you accept that part of the charge.

As to which links you have either downplayed or denied, there is a good three years worth of your posting littered with examples, for anyone with the time and inclination, but to give one such example, you have continually downplayed / denied the specific link that bonds the red shirts and Thaksin, and specific link is one in which the red shirts are there primarily to serve the interests of Thaksin with whatever "heavy-handed" methods are required at the time. You have downplayed / denied this link, arguing that the red shirt movement is in fact a grass-roots movement that thinks for itself and that is gradually shifting away from Thaksin. Well, there was no bigger or better a test to prove one way or the other where they stood, than the suddenly revised amnesty bill put forward by PTP, in which the proposal was to give a free pass to all those involved and possibly guilty in the deaths of over 80 red shirt people in 2010, as well as thousands of other potential criminals.

What bigger issue could there possibly be for the red shirt movement than getting justice for those 80 odd people? None surely. And what did they do? What was their response to this repugnant and insulting idea? Protest vigorously against it surely? Of course. And, at the very very least, have their MPs vote against it. Goes without saying, right?

Well, it should...

Oh dear this has become embarrassing for you now.I noted your shift from suggesting I denied links between Thaksin and the redshirts to your later revised criticism that I "downplayed" links.

Even after shifting your ground you are unable to come up with any examples.Actually there is in your comments a great deal of ignorance and you appear not to be aware of the many strands of opinion in the redshirt movement.The odd aspect is that I am on record as criticising Thaksin many times for exploiting his followers, and for attempting to force through the ill advised umbrella amnesty.But you make the classic error of placing Thaksin centre stage when in fact he is just a catalyst.The old order is dying in Thailand and the redshirts to some extent reflect this as increasing wealth and modernity have destroyed old fashioned social deference.

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I'm not a great fan of Jake Needham's novels but he had something interesting to say about the Thai political crisis.At least it was pithy and truthful about the death throes of the old order.As every well educated and intelligent person knows Jake was reflecting that what is taking place in Thailand now has taken place in one form or another all around the world.This is what he said:

"We've seen this movie and we know how it's going to end.Let's hope it will be over quickly though I'm doubtful it will"

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The powers that be have tried everything. Wanted elections, got them, wasn't good enough. Yingluck resigns, got it, wasn't good enough. Tried to shut down Bangkok, but the Bangkok middle and upper class didn't have the heart or conviction to stick it out more than a week.

It was always going to come to this if the arrogant Bangkok elite didn't get their way.

They finally got Yingluck on trumped up charges.

When the red shirts come to town and destroy Bangkok don't blame the red shirts. They have no choice but to go to war.

i think the red shirt is better stay in isaan!

dont come to make problem in bangkok.

this is not red shirt city.

we dont like this people come here !!

Perhaps you'd prefer a partitioned country?

You'll find that there are plenty of government supporters from Isaan working for a living in Bangkok. They are also Thai and have just as much right to express their opinion as you.

Don't rise to the bait.It's a parody account - actually quite clever, taking the mick out of Suthep's middle class sheeple.

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Jonathan Head is a known 'supporter' of Robert Amsterdam/Thaksin. I have complained to the BBC about his biased reporting. Search him on Google. You may be surprised. But then that's no different to the support for Thaksin that comes from Wall-street backed Washington Post. There are other examples and one wonders if there is a global conspiracy here.

And the many reports in which he is highly critical of Thaksin are just subterfuge to muddy the waters?

Yellow criminals showing their true (deadly) color...

It's time to suppress Suthep and his mad following dogs before more innocent people get hurt

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No I don't like this. I HATE this. My wife's family, poor country farmers, are in Bangkok backing Suthep. Why? Because they are intelligent enough to understand the damage that the fascist autocrat and convicted criminal fugitive Thaksin and his family are doing to this country. They re not elite. They are good people who understand far more than some of the ultra-right wing farangs that post here in support of the reds. Go for it Suthep.

Ultra right wing farang supporting the reds? Hmm.

The whole world knows the links between the Democrats and Suthep so I am hardly unique.

Didn't claim that it didn't. Didn't claim that you were.

I have never denied the links between Thaksin and the groups mentioned - not least because to do so would have been absurd.If you have any evidence show it.Otherwise pipe down.

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Between Thaksin and those groups, there isn't one single link, but a wide variety of links. I wasn't accusing you of denying them all. I was accusing you of having denied or downplayed certain ones. Anyone who has followed your posts over the years, will be aware of that trait of yours, and will also have seen the irony that I saw, that began all this, of you telling someone else who was playing down the links between the Dems and Suthep that, "it won't wash".[/

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You just repeat yourself and compound your folly.Which links have I denied?

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you dont understand the thai people i think you better not talk !!

we dont care about the people in the isaan because this people dont care about bangkok too.

they have not the money. they are poor and sell the vote to thaksin every year.

this is not fair you dont understand?

because we have this problem because the people in isaan dont know how vote and then thaksin can win again and again.

we have to make the reform and then we can have the prime minister who care about thailand and bangkok and not only about isaan.

this people are not educate enough to vote!!

Brilliant parody of the so called "educate" people that can't string a coherent sentence together.You had me fooled for a moment.

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I must admit, his Tinglish is pretty spot on. We can only ask him to come and post in Thai I guess....

English that the "educate" people seem to have a patent on.No it must be a parody, and a brilliant one at that.

Agreed it's spot on.I've also now had a look at the other posts highlighted by tx22cb.The standard of parody remains superb throughout essentially coming out with sentiments that are very common in Bangkok but managing to present them in a splendid package of stupidity and unpleasantness, ie without even a pretence of moral rectitude - all expressed in a horrible mangled version of English so common among the "educate" people.It must be a parody.

i think ms. chitpas will be the next prime minister we have in thailand and the best forever!

she not corrupt like the thaksin family and come from good family. she care about the people in bangkok.

is so important!

"she care about the people in bangkok"

She might be the next PM, she might be "the best forever", but Bangkok =/= Thailand, so she'd better'd care about all Thais, for your sake.

you dont understand the thai people i think you better not talk !!

we dont care about the people in the isaan because this people dont care about bangkok too.

they have not the money. they are poor and sell the vote to thaksin every year.

this is not fair you dont understand?

because we have this problem because the people in isaan dont know how vote and then thaksin can win again and again.

we have to make the reform and then we can have the prime minister who care about thailand and bangkok and not only about isaan.

this people are not educate enough to vote!!

Brilliant parody of the so called "educate" people that can't string a coherent sentence together.You had me fooled for a moment.

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But you didn't make a point or even a coherent statement.Some gibberish about my washing Thaksin.If you have a serious contribution I'd be happy to consider it but in the mean time grow up.

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My point was very clear. No need to get ratty just because you are feigning comprehension difficulties.

To humour your charade, and to repeat the point already made, it's ironic to hear the same person who has consistently either downplayed or flat out denied blatant links between Thaksin and the red shirts, Thaksin and the UDD, Thaksin and PTP, Thaksin and Yingluck, Thaksin and the riots of 2009 and 2010, with oft repeated mantras such as "this isn't about Thaksin", chastising someone else for failing to acknowledge blatant links between the Dems and Suthep's mob.

I have never denied links between Thaksin and the redshirt movement/UDD/Yingluck/PTP/street protests.To do so would be absurd.I have pointed out however several times that the Thaksin issue is not the most significant contributory factor in the current political divisions in Thailand.Most serious commentators would agree with me, specifically that Thaksin is an opportunist and a catalyst - taking advantage of a shift in Thailand's social and political tectonic plates.

If you cannot grasp this I'm not really able to help you further.You may as well blather on like some dim urban housewife that it's all about Thaksin's wickedness.I'm sure you can find plenty of kindred spirits.

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It's really hilarious. You don't need to help anyone. You need to help yourself. Everything started with the amnesty bill which was purely designed to whitewash Thaksin's numerous crimes. It also happens that the convicted criminal and fugitive is running the government via social networks. At least acknowledge irrefutable facts of life. Get a grip, will you?

Got it now.Thaksin runs the government from abroad though I think I knew that already.But thanks for the insight that "everything started" with the amnesty initiative.And to think that I once thought the crisis had deep social and political causes stretching back for decades.

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You might wish to review your original post before starting to deny your earlier comments.I'm not however interested in this kind of content free spat so in the politest possible way could you vent your spleen with someone else.

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I know precisely what I stated and I am not denying any comments I have made. Nor am I "venting my spleen". I simply brought to your attention how remarkably well you are able to discern certain clear and obvious links that exist between the Dems and Suthep, and yet how conveniently clouded your vision has become at times in the past in discerning certain clear and obvious links that have existed between Thaksin and those individuals/groups/incidents mentioned. That's all.

The whole world knows the links between the Democrats and Suthep so I am hardly unique. I have never denied the links between Thaksin and the groups mentioned - not least because to do so would have been absurd.If you have any evidence show it.Otherwise pipe down.

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But you didn't make a point or even a coherent statement.Some gibberish about my washing Thaksin.If you have a serious contribution I'd be happy to consider it but in the mean time grow up.

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My point was very clear. No need to get ratty just because you are feigning comprehension difficulties.

To humour your charade, and to repeat the point already made, it's ironic to hear the same person who has consistently either downplayed or flat out denied blatant links between Thaksin and the red shirts, Thaksin and the UDD, Thaksin and PTP, Thaksin and Yingluck, Thaksin and the riots of 2009 and 2010, with oft repeated mantras such as "this isn't about Thaksin", chastising someone else for failing to acknowledge blatant links between the Dems and Suthep's mob.

I have never denied links between Thaksin and the redshirt movement/UDD/Yingluck/PTP/street protests.To do so would be absurd.I have pointed out however several times that the Thaksin issue is not the most significant contributory factor in the current political divisions in Thailand.Most serious commentators would agree with me, specifically that Thaksin is an opportunist and a catalyst - taking advantage of a shift in Thailand's social and political tectonic plates.

If you cannot grasp this I'm not really able to help you further.You may as well blather on like some dim urban housewife that it's all about Thaksin's wickedness.I'm sure you can find plenty of kindred spirits.

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Now you have switched to making straw man arguments. I didn't accuse you of denying all links. You don't. You deny certain ones, and downplay others. And I have made no comment on what the "single most significant contributory factor is, *bla bla bla*", nor whether "Thaksin is an opportunist or a catalyst.. *condescending drivel drivel drivel*".

You might wish to review your original post before starting to deny your earlier comments.I'm not however interested in this kind of content free spat so in the politest possible way could you vent your spleen with someone else.

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But you didn't make a point or even a coherent statement.Some gibberish about my washing Thaksin.If you have a serious contribution I'd be happy to consider it but in the mean time grow up.

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My point was very clear. No need to get ratty just because you are feigning comprehension difficulties.

To humour your charade, and to repeat the point already made, it's ironic to hear the same person who has consistently either downplayed or flat out denied blatant links between Thaksin and the red shirts, Thaksin and the UDD, Thaksin and PTP, Thaksin and Yingluck, Thaksin and the riots of 2009 and 2010, with oft repeated mantras such as "this isn't about Thaksin", chastising someone else for failing to acknowledge blatant links between the Dems and Suthep's mob.

I have never denied links between Thaksin and the redshirt movement/UDD/Yingluck/PTP/street protests.To do so would be absurd.I have pointed out however several times that the Thaksin issue is not the most significant contributory factor in the current political divisions in Thailand.Most serious commentators would agree with me, specifically that Thaksin is an opportunist and a catalyst - taking advantage of a shift in Thailand's social and political tectonic plates.

If you cannot grasp this I'm not really able to help you further.You may as well blather on like some dim urban housewife that it's all about Thaksin's wickedness.I'm sure you can find plenty of kindred spirits.

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