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  1. No that won't wash.Abhisit may have pretended to distance himself with the aim of having his cake and eating it.But the reality is that the Democrat leadership is inextricably linked to Suthep 's mob and thus morally compromised.

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    With all the attempted washing you yourself have done over the years with regards Thaksin and the red shirts, and their sordid, inextricable links, guessing you must be all out of washing powder anyway.
    So, out of any credible arguments or indeed any interesting points at all you resort to puerile vapourings.Please don't confuse vulgar abuse with witty invective.

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    My point was clear and all that your crabby response to it has done is expose the nerve that it struck.

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    But you didn't make a point or even a coherent statement.Some gibberish about my washing Thaksin.If you have a serious contribution I'd be happy to consider it but in the mean time grow up.

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  2. No that won't wash.Abhisit may have pretended to distance himself with the aim of having his cake and eating it.But the reality is that the Democrat leadership is inextricably linked to Suthep 's mob and thus morally compromised.

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    With all the attempted washing you yourself have done over the years with regards Thaksin and the red shirts, and their sordid, inextricable links, guessing you must be all out of washing powder anyway.

    So, out of any credible arguments or indeed any interesting points at all you resort to puerile vapourings.Please don't confuse vulgar abuse with witty invective.

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  3. These Thai are proposing to "appoint" a new PM rather than have an election.

    Its a shame that many Thailand Visa members have forgotten the greatest start of Democracy in modern Times

    It is a sad day when Thais understand True Democracy better than Farlang

    Thailand is no longer a democracy but a group of corrupt men looking after them selves and not the country

    How many times must I read farlang going on about forming an unelected group to run the country, and turning away from the American Revolution when the founding fathers were also unelected yet they managed to establish one of the greatest governing democracies in modern history

    Taskin himself now understands Yinglucks days are over, she will bear the blunt of his greedy wants and will pay the price, in Taskin's democracy family members must be sacrificed for his self game

    That has caused even more problems as he has already made it clear that he wants Suwat Liptapanlop to be the next PM as his sister goes down in flames, and Charlerm Yubamrung is not happy as he wants the job. so has gone Power mad with the police to prove to Taskin he deserves the position

    With a drunk in charge, well I guess we can do no worse

    As well what does it help if some very bad leader is democratic elected....Hitler was democratic elected. Democracy is a system to get the best, the best accepted leader. If that doesn't work, and there is no hope that it will work in future because the laws are already changed to guarantee that the same family will win again (vote buying, fraud, no separation of power, no free media), than the complete talk of democracy is nonsense.

    The Shinwatras clearly try to develop a Democracy "North Korean style" (yes North Korea is a Democracy, so was East Germany, just you couldn't change something with your vote).

    There is a legitimate argument that Thailand needs independent checks and balances that work well.

    But democracy is not a system to get the best.It's a system that gives power to the people, albeit hedged by checks and balances (see above).A system to get the best is an aristocracy though the meaning has been debased in modern times to mean a hereditary class.The exam based system of Imperial China is perhaps the best example of theoretical government by the best - although in practise it wasn't

    Elections are only part of democracy - but an essential beginning because free and fair elections must take place for the possibility of full democracy to exist at all.

    The myth that Hitler was elected is repeated again notwithstanding it has been disproved time and time again.The purveyers of this myth never apparently read histories of the time, relying on internet cliches.The background is a little complicated but the Nazis never had a majority in the Reichstag, and Hitler's ascension to power was a backstairs deal (like that of Abhisit - just kidding).I could go into more detail but for those who believe the myth truth is not that interesting, not least because it exposes their ignorance and lies.

    All credible sources verify Thai elections while not free of abuse have been free and fair.Abhisit has made this point very recently in explaining why he left office and gave the new government a chance.

    He laughably calls elections in North Korea and Eastern Germany democratic.That's a measure of his integrity.

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  4. The first stage of the war on the shutdown of Bangkok has begun.

    Yes, you reds do like your violence, don't you?

    Seems a rather odd statement to make given the different approaches for clearing the city centre in 2010 and now.The former if you recall involved the army shooting innocent victims.The latter involves internationally praised patience and restraint.

    If I may strain your recollection, this is exactly how the Abhsit government started clearing protest sites, with riot gear *only*. Protesters retaliated with grenades, forcing the authorities to arm the troops.

    You forgot, or you have a case of selective recall?

    I relied on the independent accounts particularly that of HRW which while exculpating no party made it clear the military murdered many innocent civilians.

  5. The first stage of the war on the shutdown of Bangkok has begun.

    Yes, you reds do like your violence, don't you?

    Seems a rather odd statement to make given the different approaches for clearing the city centre in 2010 and now.The former if you recall involved the army shooting innocent victims.The latter involves internationally praised patience and restraint.

    The former involved armed authorities being used against armed protesters. If armed protesters turn up here, armed authorities will also come out, and unarmed protesters will probably be the victims.

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    Armed protesters have already showed up.As to 2010 I prefer to rely on neutral bodies like HRW.Most protesters then were unarmed but certainly there was violence on both sides-though there has never been a satisfactory account of the MIB.But it is beyond doubt that the majority of victims were innocent victims shot by the army - under the direction of Abhisit and Suthep That's why they face murder charges in contrast to the international praise for Yingluck's forebearance.

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  6. You mean Thaksin's police are coming into a protest site that is trying to topple Thaksin. I won't be surprised if they find Weapons of Mass Destruction.

    Now I am no megalomaniac like Thaksin, BUT if a groups of people wanted to remove my sister from power for abusing that power and my people went into their house I would tell them to plant weapons as well cause they want my sister out.

    An element of the PDRC are no angels. Far from it yet with all these weapons found not one seems to be used against the police coming in. Strange isn't it? Why have all these weapons, but don't use them against the police unless it was for self defense against the red shirts.

    So in light of the police being offered NO resistance by the protestors one could assume the weapons were;

    • Self defense against red shirts
    • Planted by Thaksins men (police)
    Now if the police wanted to quell rumor and innuendo they would allow the army to come in with them as observers to keep the police "honest"

    I won't even mention 2010. The comparison has been done to death.

    As for Richard Barrows. The most politically polarized unbalanced blogger in Bangkok.

    Are you implying Barrow is biased AGAINST Suthep's fascist mob?! He makes them sound like angels! I regularly criticize him on Twitter for pandering to those thugs and minimized their violent nature!

    Actually Richard Barrow is a genuine non political and thus a valuable commentator given his neutrality.

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  7. The first stage of the war on the shutdown of Bangkok has begun.

    Yes, you reds do like your violence, don't you?

    Seems a rather odd statement to make given the different approaches for clearing the city centre in 2010 and now.The former if you recall involved the army shooting innocent victims.The latter involves internationally praised patience and restraint.

    In 2010 before a single bullet was fired the peaceful protestors threatened to blow up LPG truck, grenade attacked at Thai banks, attacked Thai charity with grenades, stormed parliament, attacked NPP and TPI buildings with M16 and grenades, stormed police hospital, stormed TV station, bomb attacks on electricity pylons, 2 police taken hostage, destroy CCTV cameras, dumped tyres on sky train tracks and beating soldiers to within an inch of their lives. Abhisit should have got a Nobel Peace Prize for showing restraint. After all this he gave the protesters 48 hours to clear or the soldiers would come in. 48 hours latter the soldiers came in. No back tracking. No changing his mind. A resolute leader were the people knew where they stood.

    The latter is Chalerm stating every few days for weeks now we will come in and break the protests up yet he never does. Telling them he will come in in disguise and arrest Suthep. Never did. Have an emergency decree that states no more than 5 people can gather yet they have and continue to. More buildings have been taken over during the decree than before it. The CMPO (centre for maintaining peace and order) telling the EC they are responsible for maintaining peace and order. The latter reminds me of how the PTP managed the floods in 2011. With absolute incompetence. Reminds me of how they ran the rice scheme. With absolute incompetence.

    Going by the PTP track record I will let you behead me if the streets of Bangkok are empty of protestors tomorrow night. That is how incompetent I think the PTP are at leading. Inappropriate to say I would let you behead me? Apparently it is OK because the PTP Deputy PM, Labour Minister, Head of CMPO said it too.

    Your all garbage if you disagree. Is that appropriate? Apparently it is because another Deputy PM said it. So don't tell me I am talking inappropriately because if you do then you would not support a party that thinks those comments are acceptable.

    So you believe Abhisit deseves the Nobel Peace Prize notwithstanding he faces charges for murder.I suspect the authorities in Stockholm may take a different view.It certainly defines your fruitcake status.

    I don't think anyone suggests this is the end of protests simply the clearance of detritus and the re taking of government buildings.Indeed as Suthep and his backers grow increasingly desperate I would expecr their intimidation and violence to increase.They have already lost the international case.

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  8. So Abhisit has taken his bat and ball, and says I am not going to play cricket until you change the rules. But won't say or elaborate on what the new rules are?

    Don't you think it would be wrong for Abhisit to dictate rules ? wouldn't it be better to have a peoples forum with input from the people to set up new rules ?

    That's an interesting and innovative thought.You mean that the people should choose representatives for an assembly and then after due course confirm them or otherwise according to how well they perform.It's rather like a democratic system where the people choose members for parliament.Oops I forgot..you don't like rhat idea.

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  9. I would be ashamed to come up with a foolish statement like this.For an honest and intelligent analysis Chis Baker has done a first class summary.Google it.

    On the broader front the New York Times has an interesting article including reference to a damning indictment of the Suthep mob by Virabongsa Ramangkura, and an interesting take on the army/coup option.

    http://www.nytimes.com/2014/02/08/world/asia/petition-to-nullify-thai-election-is-rejected-in-setback-for-opposition.html?ref=world&_r=0

    Well I would be ashamed to submit many things you have submitted.

    As always in your posts you go for belittling the writer rather than constructive discussion.

    I provided a credible authority for an election analysis and an interesting link.You provided a pointless personal comment.I have no objection to being taken to task if done with intelligence and wit, qualities manifestly absent from your post .

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    You call it an 'credible authority' and that's your prerogative.

    I call it an article which is strongly and obviously lacking in balance and totally omits factual / critical points.

    All educated and intelligent people regard Chris Baker as a credible authority on Thai politics, and one notably free of partisan bias (though he is a trenchant critic of Thaksin).

    Your ignorant comment categorises you in a way I suspect you do not fully comprehend.

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  10. Sorry Pipkins, Suthep got far more votes than Yingluck.

    He told people not to vote and 53%of the electorate didn't.

    That's about 23 million people!

    I would be ashamed to come up with a foolish statement like this.For an honest and intelligent analysis Chis Baker has done a first class summary.Google it.

    On the broader front the New York Times has an interesting article including reference to a damning indictment of the Suthep mob by Virabongsa Ramangkura, and an interesting take on the army/coup option.

    http://www.nytimes.com/2014/02/08/world/asia/petition-to-nullify-thai-election-is-rejected-in-setback-for-opposition.html?ref=world&_r=0

    Well I would be ashamed to submit many things you have submitted.

    As always in your posts you go for belittling the writer rather than constructive discussion.

    I provided a credible authority for an election analysis and an interesting link.You provided a pointless personal comment.I have no objection to being taken to task if done with intelligence and wit, qualities manifestly absent from your post .

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  11. I very much suspect that the troops who were involved in the temple shootings from the sky train tracks were very carefully selected and briefed. I doubt that they were conscripts. Those shootings were sending a clear and emphatic signal to the redshirts, it was carefully planned and executed. It worked. The message still stands today.

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    I must have missed the news in which the courts announced it proven that it was the troops responsible for the temple shooting.

    But then again, I don't watch much Truth Today TV so that might explain why I missed it and you didn't.

    I don't think anyone seriously now suggests the army was not responsible for shootings at the temple.Do you?

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  12. Sorry Pipkins, Suthep got far more votes than Yingluck.

    He told people not to vote and 53%of the electorate didn't.

    That's about 23 million people!

    I would be ashamed to come up with a foolish statement like this.For an honest and intelligent analysis Chis Baker has done a first class summary.Google it.

    On the broader front the New York Times has an interesting article including reference to a damning indictment of the Suthep mob by Virabongsa Ramangkura, and an interesting take on the army/coup option.

    http://www.nytimes.com/2014/02/08/world/asia/petition-to-nullify-thai-election-is-rejected-in-setback-for-opposition.html?ref=world&_r=0

    The New York Times is a mouthpiece for the Globalists of the Carlyle Group and Bilderburg Group for which Dr. Thaksin is their front man. New York banks seek control of the World, Thailand included. For my part, I would prefer Thai elites to exploit Thais rather than Global elites exploit Thais. Poor people the World over will always be exploited. This battle is to decide if Thais control Thailand's government and economy or Globalists do. The New York Times is good for wiping you ass if you have nothing else.

    Yes that"s the Cartalucci line - not only crazy as a fruitcake but a conspiracy theorist gone ape.If you prefer to spout his demented output that's an entirely a matter for you but don't expect to be treated seriously.

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  13. Sorry Pipkins, Suthep got far more votes than Yingluck.

    He told people not to vote and 53%of the electorate didn't.

    That's about 23 million people!

    I would be ashamed to come up with a foolish statement like this.For an honest and intelligent analysis Chis Baker has done a first class summary.Google it.

    On the broader front the New York Times has an interesting article including reference to a damning indictment of the Suthep mob by Virabongsa Ramangkura, and an interesting take on the army/coup option.

    http://www.nytimes.com/2014/02/08/world/asia/petition-to-nullify-thai-election-is-rejected-in-setback-for-opposition.html?ref=world&_r=0

  14. Dem have never won any election in the past 20 years. Why can't the Dem accept that?

    This from Time magazine should help towards explaining and understanding it. Throughout the world and in Thailand itself the DP and AV are considered beyond the margins.

    Thailand’s Democrat Party Is Hilariously Misnamed

    Don't believe Yellow Shirt talk of a "people's revolution" — what's being demanded is nothing short of a putsch

    The Democrat Party last won a majority in 1992. Its power base is the Bangkok bourgeoisie, described as “timid, selfish, uncultured, consumerist and without any decent vision of the future of the country” by Cornell University Professor Benedict Anderson.

    As such, the party finds no support among the rural poor of the nation’s northeast — which is Red Shirt territory — and flounders at the ballot box. But instead of developing manifestos and platforms that could compete for rural votes, the party alienates the heartland electorate further by petulantly calling upon powerful allies — such as the military or judiciary — to undermine its rival.

    These are thuggish politics. The Democrat Party might cling onto its name, but seeing many of its supporters swap yellow for black shirts seems strangely apt.

    Read more: Thailand’s Democrat Party Is Hilariously Misnamed | TIME.com http://world.time.com/2013/11/28/thailands-democrat-party-is-hilariously-misnamed/#ixzz2sfvZXv4R

    I expect that in the coming hours, there will be half a dozen posts saying TIME Magazine is on Thaksin's payroll.

    The reality is that Abhisit and Suthep have utterly lost the international case.There is no support of any kind at any serious level,and the international media reports reflect this.This is why the Suthep led movement have to rely on joke media figures like Michael Yon and Tony Cartalucci, and a few dinosaurs like Cunningham, Race etc.Similarly the international community while retaing diplomatic restraint is clearly of the same view.

    This is not the same thing as suggesting the battle is won in Thailand - far from it.But as far as the rest of the world is concerned Abhisit and Suthep have lost the argument.It doesn't matter what the usual pack of reactionary "expatriates" have to say.

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  15. The Wall Street Journal eviscerates the Democrats and the partisan Constitutional Court, and has some words about judicial coups.

    http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052702303442704579360272255058790.html?dsk=y

    I wonder what the Wall Street Journal thinks of corruption, graft, illegal votes, politicians plotting, and trying their very hardest, to achieve the plundering of the treasury and the return of $1 billion which was legally confiscated by the courts, to a convicted criminal. Show me an article where they support that. Come to think of it, don't bother, who gives a s--t what they think.

    Quite so.How can foreigners (except right wing former sex tourists and Michael Yon) expect to understand the essence of Thainess?

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