jayboy

I wasn't going to bother but just did a search of the other paper and in ten seconds came up with reports of "redshirts" being offered Bt 400 to attend the Pitak Siam rally.Not much and rather odd sounding I agree.

I have often noticed that the usual suspects start a flame war when they think they have found a weak piece of evidence in an opponents argument, so that the main points can be buried and ignored (in this instance the unsavoury nature of Pitak Siam leadership).It was ever thus.

So, Korkaew saying that red shirts were offered 300-500 baht to attend the upcoming rally is "many attendees at the previous rally were paid to attend".

I'm surprised that you couldn't give a link to this as this comment by Korkaew was reported in Thai Visa.

Are there any other references to anyone (besides redshirts) being paid to attend the previous or upcoming rallies?

"I have often noticed that the usual suspects start a flame war when they think they have found a weak piece of evidence in an opponents argument, so that the main points can be buried and ignored." Will you prove me right or wrong?

A quick internet search would indicate expenses are being paid

Removing all the other hubris from your post, perhaps you've missed that others have tried internet searches and turned up nothing.

Can you simply provide a link to even just a couple of quotes of your alleged "widely distributed" news?

It's not difficult and very routine (I dare say, expected) to do so when one interjects new information into a news forum thread.

It shouldn't require five requests to follow normal netiquette... but it has. Thus far, without success..

Oh dear poor Sriracha Jack had forgotten how to use the Bangkok Post search facility.Never mind.

A search on the other site just gave me

"He denied claims that the rally was being funded by the same group who financed the Sept 19, 2006 coup that toppled the Thaksin Shinawatra government, or with money from illegal casinos or the drug trade. The rally would be purely voluntary, he added."

That seems a bit different from your

"Actually it appears that many attendees at the previous Pitak Siam rally , particularly from the provinces were paid a modest per diem"

"Have no idea how much they received."

"None of their political opponents have raised objections as far as I know anway"

"As to the funding of expenses I think this was quite widely reported, specifically for those who came from the provinces."

"It's been widely reported including the other paper."

"How the usual suspects twist and turn, desperately looking for a way to deflect attention from the fascist agenda"

Praise, og wise one, tell us the secret of your searching success

I wasn't going to bother but just did a search of the other paper and in ten seconds came up with reports of "redshirts" being offered Bt 400 to attend the Pitak Siam rally.Not much and rather odd sounding I agree.

I have often noticed that the usual suspects start a flame war when they think they have found a weak piece of evidence in an opponents argument, so that the main points can be buried and ignored (in this instance the unsavoury nature of Pitak Siam leadership).It was ever thus.

"... Prapat said Thailand needed to find a "soft balance" between the two superpowers."

An intelligent assessment and suggestion at last but not from any politician.

but learn from countries like Japan, which can shake hands with the US without declaring itself an enemy of Chin

But still contaoning some weird views of the world.

Very peculiar example of Japan given as country with balanced relations with both US and China.Japan has very close alliance with the US and extremely bad relationship with China.

You don't want to explain your post so we can get to the bottom of your misunderstanding of my post. Perhaps your unusual presence at this time of night and fatigue stops you from doing so.

Fair enough.

But as far as your completely unsupported projection, "nobody understands", you might wait and let others speak for themselves. Until then, the only one that doesn't understand is yourself.

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Wow monitoring the times of my attendance on the forum.Creepy.

Don't flatter yourself.

Your uniquely abrasive style stands out quite noticeably.

It's hardly "monitoring".

It's just that I'm often posting late and have never noticed you posting at this time of night.... until now.

No big deal, but I just thought it might explain why your abrasiveness is even more so than normal now.

Yeah sure.Its not as though you have that reputation.

Jayboy is one of these internet characters that feeds on winding others up. it is clear from almost every word in every post. Ignore him, you all know he is wrong, he is sat back getting cheap thrills from winding people up. Sad, I know but there are many on the net that do it.

And equally there are those who rely on personal abuse when they cannot address rational and well made arguments

There was no personal abuse, and so far no rational well made argument....from you, so when there is I may address it.

Others will be the judge of that but I am flattered you are keen on bar fining me.

A quick internet search would indicate expenses are being paid

Removing all the other hubris from your post, perhaps you've missed that others have tried internet searches and turned up nothing.

Can you simply provide a link to even just a couple of quotes of your alleged "widely distributed" news?

It's not difficult and very routine (I dare say, expected) to do so when one interjects new information into a news forum thread.

It shouldn't require five requests to follow normal netiquette... but it has. Thus far, without success.

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Oh dear poor Sriracha Jack had forgotten how to use the Bangkok Post search facility.Never mind.

You don't want to explain your post so we can get to the bottom of your misunderstanding of my post. Perhaps your unusual presence at this time of night and fatigue stops you from doing so.

Fair enough.

But as far as your completely unsupported projection, "nobody understands", you might wait and let others speak for themselves. Until then, the only one that doesn't understand is yourself.

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Wow monitoring the times of my attendance on the forum.Creepy.

How the usual suspects twist and turn, desperately looking for a way to deflect attention from the fascist agenda of their idols.A quick internet search would indicate expenses are being paid,hardly the critical issue and one that nobody is interested in.will the usual subjects defend the anti democratic agendas of the dinosaurs.No they won't - best look for a a meaningless quarrel that might divert attention from their masters agenda

After you do that quick internet search, feel free to post a link to make us all feel humble.

You seem to have woven a tangled web, and caught yourself in it.

Er not really.check out the other paper search facility before you make more of a fool of yourself

Seriously <deleted> are you babbling about ?

Perhaps it might help your understanding if you explain what this "babble" is about in the first place:

Anyway it's always good for a laugh to see how some contrive to bring irrelevant abuse of Yingluck into the most unlikely of threads.

I interpreted it to mean what I posted,

your attempt to put forth that Yingluck is somehow not pertinent to the discussion

and further, added,

If pointing out what she said herself and the situation in which she said it is somehow abuse, I think most would differ with that opine.

If that's not an accurate interpretation of what you posted, then please explain your intent with that post.

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I don't wish to be unkind but in all seriousness nobody has the faintest idea what you're talking about.Go to bed and see whether you can be more articulate tomorrow.

How the usual suspects twist and turn, desperately looking for a way to deflect attention from the fascist agenda of their idols.A quick internet search would indicate expenses are being paid,hardly the critical issue and one that nobody is interested in.will the usual subjects defend the anti democratic agendas of the dinosaurs.No they won't - best look for a a meaningless quarrel that might divert attention from their masters agenda

As a reminder for those that don't read thread before posting and prefer to initiate inflammatory misrepresentation, a reminder of just how Yingluck entered the thread (at the beginning of it) and how if she had done her self-stated duty, there wouldn't be this thread in the first place.

What is he on about?

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Does anybody understand what he means?

I think most understand that your attempt to put forth that Yingluck is somehow not pertinent to the discussion (your quote below) fails when it was already shown that her dutiful intervention might have easily pre-empted the current request for intervention to Obama.

If pointing out what she said herself and the situation in which she said it is somehow abuse, I think most would differ with that opine.

Anyway it's always good for a laugh to see how some contrive to bring irrelevant abuse of Yingluck into the most unlikely of threads.

Seriously &lt;deleted&gt; are you babbling about ?

As a reminder for those that don't read thread before posting and prefer to initiate inflammatory misrepresentation, a reminder of just how Yingluck entered the thread (at the beginning of it) and how if she had done her self-stated duty, there wouldn't be this thread in the first place.

What is he on about? Ludicrous, obsessed and irrelevant.Does anybody understand what he means?

A stupid electorate.The view of the usual suspects - contempt and hatred for the Thai people.Does anything more really need to be said?

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I don't know if he will or not as it wouldn't be the first unpredicted action he takes, but I can certainly appreciate the exposure it gives to the situation whether he assists or not. It's also good as well as exposing yet another failure of Yingluck to do her duty (in this case, one she voiced and imposed on herself).

At the end of the day, there's no real harm in just asking for his assistance. I'm sure he gets a myriad of requests from all sorts of organizations/politicians/NGO's in every country he visits.

I doubt whether POTUS would want to become involved in a matter which is entirely the concern of Thailand.Troubled though Thailand appears to be to some of us, lets recognise that compared to most countries it is an oasis of decency (whether under Abhisit or PTP).

Anyway it's always good for a laugh to see how some contrive to bring irrelevant abuse of Yingluck into the most unlikely of threads.

You keep up with posts like.

"Thailand appears to be to some of us, lets recognise that compared to most countries it is an oasis of decency"

and you will bring the wrath of 75% of the posters here down on your head.

To be honest I'm more concerned with truth, intelligence,wit and good judgement than the good esteem of a bunch of not very well educated oldsters.

@KinM

I'm not sure where you studied history but hitler destroyed the whole idea of democracy in Germany. The Weimar Republic was a functioning democracy that did not have the strength to survive the great depression and the vindictive terms of the Treaty of Versailles. It seized by the nazis through a mixture of exploiting the democratic process and eliminating/banning it's rivals. Once the grip was strong enough democracy was over. Hitler brought nothing but hate, fear, misery, disaster and mass murder to Germany.

If I may add, one of the first steps was to form a private militia of thugs (identified by the colour of their shirts) used to disrupt rival political parties' rallies, meetings and social events, and to intimidate canvassers and candidates. Sound familiar?

Yes it does, and if you had been here in 1976 (or had done any reading or research) it would be familiar to you too.Sponsors and financial supporters of the Red Gaurs were much the same as those that gave moral support to the yellow fascists.

Including the late Samak who seemed to anger some in 2007 when as PM he mentioned only one person died that time.

Agreed including the deplorable late Samak though he was on the sidelines,albeit egging on the murderers in 1976.But the main culprits.....silence from the usual suspects.

I don't know if he will or not as it wouldn't be the first unpredicted action he takes, but I can certainly appreciate the exposure it gives to the situation whether he assists or not. It's also good as well as exposing yet another failure of Yingluck to do her duty (in this case, one she voiced and imposed on herself).

At the end of the day, there's no real harm in just asking for his assistance. I'm sure he gets a myriad of requests from all sorts of organizations/politicians/NGO's in every country he visits.

I doubt whether POTUS would want to become involved in a matter which is entirely the concern of Thailand.Troubled though Thailand appears to be to some of us, lets recognise that compared to most countries it is an oasis of decency (whether under Abhisit or PTP).

Anyway it's always good for a laugh to see how some contrive to bring irrelevant abuse of Yingluck into the most unlikely of threads.

Jayboy is one of these internet characters that feeds on winding others up. it is clear from almost every word in every post. Ignore him, you all know he is wrong, he is sat back getting cheap thrills from winding people up. Sad, I know but there are many on the net that do it.

And equally there are those who rely on personal abuse when they cannot address rational and well made arguments

Actually it appears that many attendees at the previous Pitak Siam rally , particularly from the provinces were paid a modest per dime.Unlike the usual suspects I wouldn't for a moment suggest they were attending for mercenary reasons,

Ten whole cents! that 's nearly 3 baht.

Have no idea how much they received.None of their political opponents have raised objections as far as I know anway.However you can bet your bottom dollar that if redshirt rally members received any contribution at all the usual suspects would be arguing their motives were purely mercenary (indeed that's precisely what they do argue)

Cute! By replying to an earlier post you avoid the question of where this information came from, preferring a slip into another subject. But I'm still asking.

It's been widely reported including the other paper.Talk about "cute".I have gone out of my way to say the payment of modest expenses is a complete non issue and yet you focus on it to the exclusion of everyhthing else, including the lies and hypocrisy of the Pitak Siam's fascist platform.

@KinM

I'm not sure where you studied history but hitler destroyed the whole idea of democracy in Germany. The Weimar Republic was a functioning democracy that did not have the strength to survive the great depression and the vindictive terms of the Treaty of Versailles. It seized by the nazis through a mixture of exploiting the democratic process and eliminating/banning it's rivals. Once the grip was strong enough democracy was over. Hitler brought nothing but hate, fear, misery, disaster and mass murder to Germany.

If I may add, one of the first steps was to form a private militia of thugs (identified by the colour of their shirts) used to disrupt rival political parties' rallies, meetings and social events, and to intimidate canvassers and candidates. Sound familiar?

Yes it does, and if you had been here in 1976 (or had done any reading or research) it would be familiar to you too.Sponsors and financial supporters of the Red Gaurs were much the same as those that gave moral support to the yellow fascists.

Actually it appears that many attendees at the previous Pitak Siam rally , particularly from the provinces were paid a modest per dime.Unlike the usual suspects I wouldn't for a moment suggest they were attending for mercenary reasons,

Actually you seem the first to say this. Far be it from me to suggest that it appears to give you a chance not suggest some can be bought. It's just obvious [sic] your source of information is better than mine. Would you care to elaborate on why it 'appears' ?

My information does seem to be better than yours.Only recently you surprised me by stating in capital letters that the current political difficulties are all about Thaksin.Surprising because although we have differing political views I frankly did not expect this rather bone headed mantra from you.The most intelligent Democrats like Abhisit and Korn, much though they loathe the man would certainly not take this view.It's akin to saying the Russian Revolution was all about Lenin, as though the conditions permitting the upheaval did not exist.Be aware that"cause" and "catalyst" are different concepts, and that similar upheavals have occurred before Thaksin and no doubt will after him.

As to the funding of expenses I think this was quite widely reported, specifically for those who came from the provinces.It's a non issue - the amount was small and nobody is suggesting attendees were "bussed in" or didn't want to be there.

Could you also explain the grotesque lie to which you refer?

No.It would be against forum rules.However please see my cut out and keep guide below.

1.Obtain details of Pitak Siam political views.

2.Study those views.

3.Identify grotesque lie in those views.

4.Consider why that particular grotesque lie is included.

5.Reflect.

Actually it appears that many attendees at the previous Pitak Siam rally , particularly from the provinces were paid a modest per dime.Unlike the usual suspects I wouldn't for a moment suggest they were attending for mercenary reasons,

Ten whole cents! that 's nearly 3 baht.

Have no idea how much they received.None of their political opponents have raised objections as far as I know anway.However you can bet your bottom dollar that if redshirt rally members received any contribution at all the usual suspects would be arguing their motives were purely mercenary (indeed that's precisely what they do argue)

I wonder if there are any major injuries or (hopefully not) deaths, will the Govt call for DSI to investigate? But you can bet there will be Govt supporters interspersed within the crowd to cause problems. The Govt will do anything it can to turn this protest into something other than a non violent demonstration and painting these people as trouble makers or violent will well be on its agenda. The Red Shirts proved they were capable of anything and 'dirty tricks' during their demonstration so things here could escalate easily into problems if a catalyst is added (by the Govt).

Really? Government provocateurs to make Pitak Siam look bad, as though PS isn't alkready doing that itself very effectively.No real mileage in hypothetical comments since the event hasn't yed happened.However at this stage it is the government and redshirts that appear restrained and mature.Monitor the comments of General Boonlert for the PS position but based on his pronouncements so far his worst enemies couldn't do a better job in making him look like a doddering old fool.

If a doddering old fool can inspire many times the attendance of the mercenary Red Shirts then that speaks volumes

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Actually it appears that many attendees at the previous Pitak Siam rally , particularly from the provinces were paid a modest per diem.Unlike the usual suspects I wouldn't for a moment suggest they were attending for mercenary reasons.

I have no idea which faction can get the more people out.Nor do I think it particularly important.We already know both factions represent significant opinion in the Kingdom.

Having said that there's no doubt the Pitak Siam leadership is seriously disreputable, with a grotesque lie at the centre of its platform.I have no problem with those who campaign against a Thaksin whitewash but the Pitak Siam platform goes well beyond that into extreme reactionary politics.

Red Shirt supporters who contemplate any movement must consult three core leaders, she said. In addition to Mrs Thida, Jatuporn Prompan and Nattawut Saikua are two other top leaders.

uh oh.. the last time someone attempted to dictate which of of the many Red Shirt Leaders were the real top Red Shirt Leaders, that someone was shot in the head a week later.

http://www.thaivisa....ost__p__5266171

Hopefully, the Red Shirts have calmed down since then.

Another harbinger back to the above situation of disagreements within the Red Shirt leadership is Red Shirt Leader and Pheu Thai Party MP Worachai has said Red Shirts will amass in three different areas surrounding Bangkok in reaction to the Pitak Siam rally and will enter the city if there are any incidents at the rally..

He also stated a fourth group of Red Shirts will rally inside Bangkok in the Wong Wian Yai district.

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The usual suspects are in a bind here.The impending fascist rally - which they of course enthusiastically support though are "shy" about admitting it - is a public relations disaster in the making.The government and redshirts in contrast seem to be acting responsibly.The truth is the usual suspects are enraged by the international recognition andpraise the PM is receiving and desperately look to belittle the redshirts which they see as a weak link.How the usual suspects twist and turn.

I completely disagree with this article. America's reaction during the dark years of 2006-2011 has probably been one of the main reason why democracy is back in Thailand.

The USA first sent a clear message after the coup when they downgraded their relation with Thailand and the junta, informing the top generals that the cozy relation they enjoy with the american army will suffer greatly if they didn't go back to their barrack. Then when democracy was eventually restored after the election of July 2011, by welcoming Yingluck government with open arms and welcoming back Thailand in the international community.

On the contrary this is an excellent article which very clearly sets out the mistakes of the American position in the early aftermath of the coup, largely based on the bizarre advice of a former US Ambassador.The background is clearly set out in Wikileaks for those who are interested.It seems however now that American policy is firmly back on track with a commitment to those in Thailand who value democracy.Having said that diplomacy isn't just based on morality and US/China rivalry in the region may be a factor in a future American policy to Thailand.