youreavinalaff

Using average figures distorts the real situation and scares people. Propaganda. I've already explained in my town there are 84 properties within reach of a couple on minimum wage at 3.8 times their salary. Using the same property website, taking the first 50 properties when listed "highest to lowest" and the first 50 when listed "lowest to highest", the average figure is £750k. This mainly due to properties in the affluent area peaking at £2.6 million. Many people seeking housing right now would fall into the first time buyer bracket. Lottery win aside, they are not looking at properties £1m and above. When reporting about those wishing to get on the property ladder, average prices of properties that estate agents describe as "ideal first time buyer properties" should be used. The figures in my home town then go from "average property prices £750k" to "average prices of properties ideal for first time buyers £142k" This is not the most expensive area of UK but far from the cheapest. SW England.

Your figures are high. Too high. I know where you got them from as I've seen them before. Nothing more than propaganda. In the real world those figures just don't fit. London is a big issue, I'll give you that. Then again, most capital cities around the world have the same issues.

I believe the case in the report is under investigation. In my post I was referring to the bigger picture. Humans that have been trafficked often have visas.

Trafficked humans often have visas. I believe you are getting confused between human trafficking and migrant smuggling. An easy mistake to make.

I believe @placeholder mentioned a connection with a powerful person in the victim's home country. A link to the report: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-66260064 A quote from the link : "Terri complained to the care company but it threatened to stop her work and cancel her visa. She says other carers she got to know also warned her that the firm's owner had political links in her home country. "That makes him very dangerous where we come from - you don't want to go against someone like that," she told us."

Yes, it is. https://www.unodc.org/unodc/en/human-trafficking/human-trafficking.html

I mentioned fake visas as it happens. As an aside, even if she does have a correct visa, if she was brought to UK with the promise of a job with hours and salary correct to the visa sponsorship, but subsequently over worked and underpaid to the point it is deemed modern day slavery she is also a victim of human trafficking.

I have constantly been referring to the example case given. That of Terri.

Using my experience to suggest all is not as it seems. Not " banging on". If you'd like to show a link to the story that categorically states everything, other than the care agency, is legit I will hold my hands up and apologise. I know the procedures for a Tier2 visa and also what it takes to bring Mum and 3 kids with regards to cost, criteria and timescale. Things don't add up in the case in question. We have been discussing a case. Not cases.

Your go to comment when you disagree. Predictable.

The individual case, yes. The report actually covers all adult social care. That is currently 1.6 million workers.

Like I said..... Sounds like human trafficking.

Really? My most recent purchase, 3 months ago, was priced at 3.8 times our salary. Any couple working 35 hours a week on minimum wage has a choice of 84 properties, from within 10 miles of where I am, at under 4 times what their salary would be.

So, you are suggesting there are no such things as fake visas or passport and no such thing as people traffickers. I would suggest you are wrong. Anyway, the report agrees with me. I said " highly unlikely". The report says " very rare".

Like I said, I don't need to. It's my job.

Please, as someone who has worked in these situations, allow my better knowledge to suggest things in this story aren't what they seem. Cross referencing between the many different Gov departments when running care agencies and homes and offering sponsorships for visas, it would be very difficult to do what said agency has done if all other issues were legit. Like I suggested before, I wouldn't be surprised if she is a victim of human trafficking. Possibly fake visas and/or passports.

Her family on the streets. I saw that. It doesn't say after how long. She still had accommodation to pay for. It says in the report they lived in separate accommodation. Also, in order to get her family to UK she would have needed to show her financial status. £2 an hour isn't going to work. Like I said previously, I don't think all her story is true. There is a hint of sensationalism about it. I would suggest she may be a victim of people trafficking. Possibly under faked visas.

Highly unlikely. Not impossible. There are 1.6 million people working in social care in UK. The report says there are currently 109 " potential" victims. The background of the potential victims; Tier2 visas, EU workers on settlement scheme, UK citizens......has not been reported. No contradictions there.

Exactly my point. I didn't miss that and actually pointed out the lack of facts. "Cases reported". "Potential" victims. Can't see where is says the complainants are here on Tier2 visas. Remember, I took the trouble to differentiate. You must have missed that bit.

The facts? I don’t recall the report proving anything. I also don't recall the reporting of the complainants' backgrounds. The care industry is very heavily monitored. Whether it's the Mental Health act, Safeguarding, human rights, immigration, health and safety, HMRC, DBS. There are forms to fill in and file with the relevant authotlrities for just about everything. Not to mention unannounced CQC visits. The woman in the OP may well have come up against a bad employer but not to the extent she claims, unless her visa was acquired fraudulently. That then becomes another story.

For those on Tier2 visas, as mentioned in the OP, it is highly unlikely. For those with right to work in UK for other reasons, settlement visa, ILR, UK citizens, it is possible there are scrupulous employers taking advantage.

I don't need to. It's my field. I am involved in the industry. I know how things work. The woman's story is not all true. Simple.

It does.

Oh dear. That old chestnut. So, if she is getting £2 an hour as she claims, how is she paying rent? Buying food? Paying bills? It clearly does not add up. Add to the fact she claims grassing up her employer could make things miserable, why is she telling all to reporters?

That's funny. Thanks for the laugh.