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I believe this is a civil service position. Is the Permanent Secretary appointed or just how is this job assigned?
You are correct.This is not a political position and the Permanent Secretary forms part of the civil service cadre.Even the most senior officials, though reporting to the relevant Minister, are not replaced with more politically sympathetic appointments when a new administration comes in.This has been borrowed from the British system as opposed to the US where in contrast senior officials are often replaced to suit the prevailing political regime.Both systems have their merits and demerits, and it's fair to say that Tony Blair to some extent corrupted the British system with large numbers of political advisors.
I agree with you SC that Blair did use the political adviser route, but Thatcher started the strategy of "is he one of us?" in civil service senior appointments.
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I am delighted that we have such fine upstanding politician as Khun Chalerm who is determined to wipe out corruption. In the short time he has been in post he has closed down all the gambling dens and now is targeting those public officials who are abusing their positions. I hope next it will be all those disgraceful sex establishments and perhaps while he is in full flow he could do something about those dreadful people who arrive at the airport in flip flops and vests, it really is quite appalling.
What drivel!!!
He hasn't closed down the gambling dens as they will simply magically reform somewhere else at a different location!!! The Thai's are absoutely ADDICTED to gambling and cannot survive without frittering their money away. They have gambling dens at funerals which are always packed out - this has always seemed rather disrespectful to me, but maybe I'm old fashioned or simply not Thai!!
The only reason he is doing what he is, is to save face for Yingluck's government - do you seriously think he woud have vounteered the information about the crooked poiticians if he hadn't been caught!!!!
Close down the "sex establishments" and bang goes your "testosterone charged" tourist industry. Likewise ban fip flops and vests and bang goes your "testosterone charged" tourist industry!!! On this last point, I didn't reaise that this was a heinous crime - is "fashion crime" on a par with murder?????
.sichonsteve; if had to put money on your nationality i would go for you being american , ...irony and sarcasm are just wasted on you !
I'll take that bet - he's a pom
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I am delighted that we have such fine upstanding politician as Khun Chalerm who is determined to wipe out corruption. In the short time he has been in post he has closed down all the gambling dens and now is targeting those public officials who are abusing their positions. I hope next it will be all those disgraceful sex establishments and perhaps while he is in full flow he could do something about those dreadful people who arrive at the airport in flip flops and vests, it really is quite appalling.
What drivel!!!
He hasn't closed down the gambling dens as they will simply magically reform somewhere else at a different location!!! The Thai's are absoutely ADDICTED to gambling and cannot survive without frittering their money away. They have gambling dens at funerals which are always packed out - this has always seemed rather disrespectful to me, but maybe I'm old fashioned or simply not Thai!!
The only reason he is doing what he is, is to save face for Yingluck's government - do you seriously think he woud have vounteered the information about the crooked poiticians if he hadn't been caught!!!!
Close down the "sex establishments" and bang goes your "testosterone charged" tourist industry. Likewise ban fip flops and vests and bang goes your "testosterone charged" tourist industry!!! On this last point, I didn't reaise that this was a heinous crime - is "fashion crime" on a par with murder?????
.It's interesting that you focus on the gambling dens, the sex industry and the fashion crimes but ignore "targetting those public officials who are abusing their positions". Why is that?
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"Thai people are not ready for Democracy because they don't understand that they are being dupped and lied too "
They don't understand that unless they change the country by electing politicians who are not criminals and gangsters then Military coups will and SHOULD continue, and as I have said many times before on TV This country will be a South East Asia failed basket case
100% agree,this country isn't ready for democracy since the majority doesn't have a clue what is going on.
Does that mean that you do not belive in universal suffrage except where the electorate is politically aware? Politically awareness was a catchphrase for the Communist Party of Great Britain in their heyday, prior to WW11. I am sure that is not what you want.
Universal suffrage was resisted in most of the western democracies - the UK (Magna Carta 1215 is a joke, it did nothing for any except the barons) did not allow all women over 21 (thereby creating equality with men) to vote until 1928. In the 19th century, property was a qualification for men to vote so that ensured that the masses had no say.
It's a different world now; mass media is available to all and the simplest peasant in the remotest area of the Amazon knows more of world affairs than Europeans of 200 years ago.
That means that you may wish for a better set of voters but that is like wishing for ..... pick your own fantasy
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A lot of people voted for Pheua Thai because of its policies, nothing to do with Thaksin's return.
Yup. And a lot people just voted for the same local political elite that have ruled their area for decades. They didn't elect fresh new leaders in most districts, just the same old corrupt elite that has been impoverishing them for personal gain for decades.
A very good point, at the last election there were many candidates who stood advocating the country break away from, the "Mafia and corrupt method" of running affairs and the Thai people voted for the same old people with their same ways, Its a sad indictment on the voters and the country and doesnt give it much hope for a future of uncorrupted government at all levels.
Couldn't agree more, plus:
- Thaksin and his scaly leeches will of course say the poor and poor because of the Bkk elites and amart.
- Wonder what jatoporn's reaction would be to "...... And a lot people just voted for the same local political elite that have ruled their area for decades. They didn't elect fresh new leaders in most districts, just the same old corrupt elite that has been impoverishing them for personal gain for decades.and the Thai people voted for the same old people with their same ways, Its a sad indictment on the voters and the country and doesnt give it much hope for a future of uncorrupted government at all levels."
Is there such a creature as a scaly leech? Seems unlikely
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If the election was a referendum on bringing Thaksin back and annul his sentence (and I presume toss aside all the other charges pending) then they lost 48% to 52%.
Whilst I can understand your argument, it has basic flaws. Thailand votes for constituency MPs and each constituency returns the winner of that election. The "list vote" is an attempt to involve an element of proportional representation. On that basis, Pheau Thai had a majority of seats in parliament and therefore was entitled to be the government. Have a think about the Thatcher and Blair governments in the UK and the parliamentary majorities that sustained them (Thatcher/Major had virtually no support in Wales or Scotland) and consider whether the problem is the voting system - you can't glibly assume that in a race with more than two runners, gaining 48% means you lose. If it were true that all who did not vote PT wanted a different government, why is a Democrat-led coalition not in power?
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Some guid news SC...having arranged a wee session with ma cousin back in Auld Reekie for late March. I'll need tae buy a camera so all suggestions welcome on that front.
Obviously in the spirit ay the thread any ridiculous suggestions will be treated in the appropriate manner. Kenwhitahmeanthaddyyabam?
I'm lookin' forward tae it bein' honest...its bin a while.
Souryejoinin'usforacrawlaboot?andmaybeevenapieandbovrildoonGorgiewayorahowffneabbyortwo...!
We've still not confirmed Diggers is still there, since Patsycat never turned up last Christmas, I think.
I doubt I'll have the money for the planned Chinese New Year trip, so March is a possibility, but I've bought my ticket to HK for the sevens at the end of March already (though not the rugby ticket...)
I doubt it'll be practical to get a ticket for the Six Nations games; Calcutta Cup is up first in February and Scotland are away in March, first in Dublin, then to Paris. SO actually, that would be better, since I could show my support for the Regions.
It might be five years since I was in a pub in Edinburgh.
Anyway, in the spirit of the thread...
ARSE
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Well it's still there as far as I know. My last visit was before a friendly against Australia wher we got well beaten as usual; my mate and I wore kilts and Aussie cricket shirts because they were gubbing the Poms in the Ashes
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Denizens of society. Take them to the glue factory.
Assuming that you live in a community. of any sort you too, are a denizen; you just don't know what the word means.
I believe flagitious pestilential despoilers of society fits, but I'd rather see them incarcerated, which, by the OP it's unclear whether Issan Rambo is actually behind bars now.
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Are you sure? That does not fit with any definition of denizen that I know
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Denizens of society. Take them to the glue factory.
Assuming that you live in a community. of any sort you too, are a denizen; you just don't know what the word means.
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Sorry to burst your bubble Mack, most deaths that occur with foreigners are the result of foul play. It has nothing to do with conspiracy theory, but conspiracy fact. Have a nice day and if you bump into anyone attending the Bilderberg meetings, give them my regards.
I'm sure you have some numbers (number of deaths of foreigners in Thailand, number of natural causes, number of accidents, number of foul plays) to back this?
Don't be silly - he will tell you that the figures are collated by Thai authorities and therefore cannot be trusted. Paranoia rules - or maybe bigotry
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what a load of shit is this? All lies, all big fat lies.... IT has become clear to everybody what the priority nr.1 of this Government is...
Yeap, same same. And I fear we are getting closer to a political meltdown in Thailand. These lying morons in the present administration are just beyond belief. Ignorant, retarded, spoilt 13-year olds all of them. To lead a country. Right.
It's clear to you perhaps that in spite of Thaksin not being included in any amnesty/pardon that his exoneration is the government's "priority nr1" but that does not mean it is "clear to everybody'
Ignorant retarded 13-year olds?
Please a little more adult reasoning might not go amiss
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Everyone should stop having a go at Yingluck. She's new but clever even though she does talk like bar girl.
I don't care what she does or says. She's the most beautiful Prime Minister on the planet and that's what counts.
She's not clever and you know it.
The beauty thing is debatable assuming you're including lady presidents.
Well I certainly have to give you full points there Jingthing
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It appears to me that the government has wrongfooted the opposition, the media and even its own supporters with the leak from a "rump" cabinet meeting. Does anyone yet know who was the whistle blower? Is it not possible that this was a deliberate strategy by the government to test and then muddy the waters?
The cabinet meeting was held in the absence of the PM (with a feeble excuse) and she was subsequently able to deny knowledge of what had transpired.
This may obviously require a suspension of belief but it remains a fact that she was not there. However the meeting was chaired by a politician far more experienced than Yingluck in the murk that is Thai politics and he was of course sold early in the new government's tenure as the one who would bring Thaksin back. His absence during the critical (to BKK) flooding was noticeable and led to lots of speculation as to what he was up to; was he really staying out of the limelight for personal ambition - having no part and therefore no culpability? I don't know the answer but it does seem strange that he should take a back seat in a crisis and then become involved in what could only be interpreted as a stupid attempt to rescue Thaksin that was bound to resurrect those elements who would be outraged. A consummate Thai politician would not, IMO, be so naive without a less obvious agenda.
The furore caused by the allegation that Thaksin would be cleared of his transgressions , including the all too predictable feeding frenzy on TV, was seen in PAD and the media in spite of the questionable evidence that any such plan existed. What that may have shown was that the "establishment" might react although it is unprovable that PAD could have assembled significant numbers of protestors - social networking sites are not a reliable source. What I think apparent is that the parliamentary opposition were less concerned by the apocalyptic vision of the possibility than the extra-parliamentary opposition. Perhaps a greater awareness of Thai realpolitik exists in the Democrat party.
Additionally, those who are perceived as Thaksin's and PT's real opposition, the military were not drawn into the dispute but instead went about their task of aiding with the floods and apparently ignored the irrelevant bickering of those who wanted to make an issue of the fact that they believed what the rumour mill was telling them. An eminently sensible approach - get on with something that helps the people and keep out of the childish spats.
I suspect that in fact the leak was government-inspired and its purpose was at least twofold:
1. To attempt to distract attention from the flooding crisis
2. To assess the level of support/opposition to an amnesty that was not being planned to take place now but would be reconsidered later.
Politicians in all countries are an unholy breed but they achieve power because of their ability to lead and to mislead the electorate; this facility is also used in dealings with the media. I believe that what we have witnessed is a complete scam on the Thai media - but I could be completely wrong
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Thank you for sparing us the "extended version" of yet another speculative conspiracy driven corruption theory without foundation that discounts the potential that people have accidents or die of natural causes. TV contributors seems to support the idea that it is impossible to die in Thailand without foul play. But thankfully, you just ask us to read your mind. Have a nice day, and if you bump into Jimmy Hoffa or Elvis give them my regards.
Agree wholeheartedly - people do have accidents and those occurrences are not always assisted by perfidious Thais, but hell it's Phuket so tuk tuk mafia must have been involved
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The victim is believed to have fallen into the water while fishing at the time of his death, police said.
I don't have to tell you all what I am thinking.
Thank you for sparing us the "extended version" of yet another speculative conspiracy driven corruption theory without foundation that discounts the potential that people have accidents or die of natural causes. TV contributors seems to support the idea that it is impossible to die in Thailand without foul play. But thankfully, you just ask us to read your mind. Have a nice day, and if you bump into Jimmy Hoffa or Elvis give them my regards.
Agree wholeheartedly - people do have accidents and those occurrences are not always assisted by perfidious Thais, but hell it's Phuket so tuk tuk mafia must have been involved
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Ah! Street Cowboy I suspect that you are trying to mislead the august members of this forum; your quotation in your native tongue does not ring true - "yeraj" should in fact be "yaraj" and of course should include the expletive which I imagine you have excluded for PC purposes; it seems more the attempt of someone from outwith the boundaries of the Athens of the North to assimilate the local patois. East Lothian perhaps or even Fife?
Either way you have betrayed your quisling background with your extolling the questionable merits of cricket....
Anybody have an answer why the popular games in the penal colony of Australia are those from English Public Schools?
I learnt to enjoy the English sports whilst living amongst them. I suppose one of the great things about living under a united crown is the exposure to foreign cultures.
I'm not from the Kingdom, I'm from South of the water, as you say. Transliteration is a challenge to us all, even in our local tongues; at least with English we can refer to written texts for the usage of 'loose' (as in fateful lightning, but not, as I wrongly believed, dogs of war, which are let slip, rather than loosed.
Anyway, by way of a sidetrack towards the topic of the thread, I can see newsworthy times ahead with the new controversy over Thaksin's possible return.
Whilst living amongst them beyond the Tweed and Solway, I only felt close to the headlines once, when the IRA bombed my High Street, while since leaving that many-sceptred isle I've several times had family enquire if I was affected by the news
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Funnily enough, despite years in that country, I saw an English Premier League team for the first time at the National Stadium in Bukit Jalil.
I,too, lived in England for some 5 years in the NE and NW and before that had a colleague who had fallen under the soporific rapture of cricket on the village green in the South-East; his description of drinking warm beer on a balmy afternoon while elderly spinsters pedalled to evensong was in some ways charming (credit to John Major must be acknowledged here) but the thwack of leather(are cricket balls leather or cork?) on willow even when half-asleep has never appealed.
Now that Thaksin is not returning maybe there can be more talking on ThaiVisa Forum that is less adversarial but I suspect not.
By the way do you have an opinion on what I asked whimsically in my last post? Cricket and rugby are historically English Public School sports and I suspect that rugby as such did not exist in Australia's early days as a penal colony; why are they so popular in so many ex-colonies? I'm really interested in this because I have an Australian grandson. Thankfully he has given up rugby for "soccer" but he persists with cricket..
Mind you whatever he plays he will probably be good enough for Scotland
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World War II did not end until the surrender of Japan on August 15, 1945. I believe the UK had a number of prisoners of war and a rather intense interest in the Asia-Pacific region.
Now back to the topic.
Well almost....VE Day May 8 in UK celebrates the end of the war in Europe, so the election post-war. The war against Japan (more important to US) continued until August 15, but to suggest that an election held in August 45 was during the war is a hair-splitting nonsense. For Europe the war is celebrated with the defeat of the German forces. And emergency restrictions were formally lifted on May 11, allowing for the subsequent election to be held. So in no way was the election held during wartime conditions.
United Kingdom - 1995 May Day Bank Holiday was moved from 1 May to 8 May to commemorate the 50th anniversary of the ending of the Second World War.
You may wish to believe that the war ended on that date for the UK but I had an uncle who was serving in the struggle against the Japanese at that time and it did not end for him and his comrades. I don't understand why it is so important to try and justify anyone's idea of when the "postwar" election took place; there had been a long period of coalition government with one aim in mind - defeat Germany. That had happened and there was a desire to return to normal politics but that did not mean that the country was no longer at war because it clearly was.
It demeans the memory of those who were still fighting (remember the Chindits?) and denigrates the suffering of the prisoners of war in Japanese prison camps. You may call it hair-splitting nonsense but your proposition is completely out of tune with the veterans who remember how they were treated by the enemy which had not been defeated at that time.
Incidentally I believe that the US celebrates 2 September as the conclusion of the war against Japan, not 15 August.
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It's quite worrying if it is simply a blanket rubber stamping of a list of 26K names. Why should all those criminals go free so easily?
That isn't really the issue. Such pardons are routine here and show a wonderful spirit of compassion. The issue is one thing -- THAKSIN.
It is an issue because if Thaksin's name is added to the list then it may get automatically rubber-stamped, even though Thaksin and possibly many others may not actually deserve a pardon. That's why I have said before that pardon requests should be processed on a case-by-case basis with criteria that need to be passed, such as interviews and psychiatric examination and analysis of behavior since conviction, before being granted.
What you are advocating is what I understand is called parole in the USA and release under licence in the UK - both the result of committee decisions. Pardon/amnesty in Thailand is a royal prerogative.
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Yes the queen of England speaks an entirely different version of the English Language to those in Brooklyn or Manhattan. She is English and speaks "English" and spells according to the English language. Just as those of the Thai speak thai and not Brooklyn Thai. No I am not English but of Gaelic/Koori decent but I know the difference between English language and American.
One of the reasons I am so comfortable in Thailand is that I can get away with speaking my native tongue
(ayetha''llberightjimmywhasgoanieunerstaundyethen,yeraj?)
more or less, even though the locals have but the merest smattering of the language, and struggle with grammar and vocabulary.
Like any great empire, the English language has had to accept a lot of devolution, and our colonial offspring may drop some vowels, (I'm trying to think of something witty to say about less 'Y's...) and have trunks in the cars instead of boots, but at the end of the day, its probably the easiest language to speak, because we can tolerate so much (you need only venture into England to see that!) which is why it is the lingua franca throughout the globe (lingua franca - that must drive the French berserk...). I reckon the edifying and civilising effect of cricket has a lot to do with it as well. I am sure we would all sleep safer in our beds if Thailand had a decent cricket team...
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8>< ----------SNIP NESTED QUOTES DELETED ---- ><8
Yes the queen of England speaks an entirely different version of the English Language to those in Brooklyn or Manhattan. She is English and speaks "English" and spells according to the English language. Just as those of the Thai speak thai and not Brooklyn Thai. No I am not English but of Gaelic/Koori decent but I know the difference between English language and American.
One of the reasons I am so comfortable in Thailand is that I can get away with speaking my native tongue
(ayetha''llberightjimmywhasgoanieunerstaundyethen,yeraj?)
more or less, even though the locals have but the merest smattering of the language, and struggle with grammar and vocabulary.
Like any great empire, the English language has had to accept a lot of devolution, and our colonial offspring may drop some vowels, (I'm trying to think of something witty to say about less 'Y's...) and have trunks in the cars instead of boots, but at the end of the day, its probably the easiest language to speak, because we can tolerate so much (you need only venture into England to see that!) which is why it is the lingua franca throughout the globe (lingua franca - that must drive the French berserk...). I reckon the edifying and civilising effect of cricket has a lot to do with it as well. I am sure we would all sleep safer in our beds if Thailand had a decent cricket team...
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Ah! Street Cowboy I suspect that you are trying to mislead the august members of this forum; your quotation in your native tongue does not ring true - "yeraj" should in fact be "yaraj" and of course should include the expletive which I imagine you have excluded for PC purposes; it seems more the attempt of someone from outwith the boundaries of the Athens of the North to assimilate the local patois. East Lothian perhaps or even Fife?
Either way you have betrayed your quisling background with your extolling the questionable merits of cricket....
Anybody have an answer why the popular games in the penal colony of Australia are those from English Public Schools?
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You work as a teacher, yet don't know how to use 'losing' in a sentence?
Is 'loosing' even a word?
Bl**dy H*ll....The English police are on patrrol early this morning....
I think an English teacher complaining about education priority in Thailand is fair game, don't you?
But not by someone who has to ask if "loosing" is a genuine word
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What have you learned from Thaivisa? Mods can feel free to move the thread if it's placed wrong.
Here are some of the things i've learned from Thaivisa.
*Expats are way richer than average people! Most expats seem to earn my yearly wage in a month or so.
*Expats girlfriends/wifes have never set foot in a bar, they are all bussiness women from bkk or something similar.
*When a Thai looks upon a farang, what they see is not a person but an ATM.
*All Thai people are out to scam expats, they like nothing more than to get their hands on the wealthy expats wallet.
*The harder a post is to understand, the smarter are the person who wrote it.
*Relationships with bargirls allways end in tragedy.
*Starting a bussiness and generate an income from it in Los is close to impossible.
Im sure there are many more lessons to learn, feel free to add your's
Hmmmm,
Learnt from Thai Visa ... don't think so.
I'll go through your points ...
1. Maybe, for the short to middle term. Plenty of super rich Thais around.
2. For some, no. For many yes. (btw, wifes should be wives - business only has one inital 's')
3. <deleted>
4. More <deleted>
5. "The smarter are the person who wrote it". Hmmm. Speaks volumes.
6. Have any stats? (btw, always - only one 'l')
7. Yet more <deleted>. (btw, spelling again!)
.... and to answer your question; plenty of lessons to learn throughout life. One I did learn a long time ago was to never 'tar the same group/s of people with the same brush' .... better to keep your ignorance to yourself.
Any representative of the spelling police should be aware that initial normally has three "i"s
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Why didn't he do something about the perceived problem when he was in power. This he should have been working on with the Governor of Bangkok. Abhisit is playing ducks and drakes to deflect from the responsibility as a leader he had. Bangkok and surrounding areas are the manufacturing hub of Thailand and hence not need, but demand the leader of the country prepares for a disaster like this. Its very hard to put a plan in place at the height of a major catastrophe when you have done little about it.
Abhisit and the Governor of Bangkok have a lot to answer for.
Doesn't anyone of these reporters analysis the problem or the comment and then investigate why something may be being said. And it doesn't help when there are so many gullible people out there that cannot think past the last 5 minutes.
The "perceived problem" is that the current government are planning to spend more money than they have, and a lot of that will be spent on handouts and schemes that will be rife with corruption. They are also expecting revenue based on incorrect assumptions - growth this year of 3.5-4% when the BOT have said 2.6% or less, and next year of 4.5-5.5% which given the damage of the floods and the global economy is unlikely to get that high.
What does the Governor of Bangkok have to do with any of this? It's a national issue.
And what does Abhisit have to answer for? He managed to get Thailand through the GFC leaving the country in a very healthy position.
Abhisit is the most acceptable politician in Thailand from a western point of view but he is leader of a party that will never be able to win the kind of majority that the present government has. If he really wishes for Thailand to become an open democracy that is representative of all of the people, he needs to be seen as not from a party which can never be in government because the people consider it to be opposed to their interests and aspirations and show the electorate (however uneducated, naive and venal the posters here think of them) that there is another way.
As things stand, there is an inevitability that in elections the party associated with Thaksin will win most seats (whether as a result of ignorance, vote-buying, intimidation or whatever is irrelevant) and the Democrats will be a poor second.
Thailand is an emerging democracy with the historical tradition of accepting that corruption will be the norm in business and in dealings with bureaucracy; changing this acceptance may seem the first step to a bettter society but which political party in Thailand is ready to challenge the age-old tradition? Abhisit might want to, but would his party support that? And he would also need to be in power - an unlikely scenario.Nor does he seem likely to found a new party dedicated to egalitarianism and open government
Personally I do not believe that bringing Thaksin back will make the country any worse - he is not in any position of power in the government and has charges hanging over his head that can be activated at any time if he were to step out of line..
What Thaksin has done is awaken a sleeping giant in the Red movement and it is my opinion that therein lies the threat to powers that have always regarded the kingdom as theirs to do with what they will. I believe that within that disparate grouping there are people with a completely different agenda from Thaksin's. Which of those groupings wins the internal struggle for power will be the decider on Thailand's future.
Whatever befalls I will be here with my Thai family, perhaps shaking my head but accepting that the will of the Thai people if it is their decision (and not imposed by an external force) must be paramount
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Sounds like what China government would do. No public debate, all secret, in the shadows.
Thailand has gone from a wannabe "democratic society" to a "communist society".
So, this is how everybody dies.
So now Thaksin and his PT party are communists?
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Chalerm: Burgled Suphoth Money Was Kickbacks
in Thailand News
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Boasting about being world number 1 in cricket? It's only taken seriously by England and a handful of ex-colonies. England also claims that it invented football and Rugby - what's your world ranking there ?
Way off topic but I'm a Scot and we are sh*te at everyhing