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On 5/1/2024 at 8:09 PM, Chomper Higgot said:

To be fair to the Israelis.

 

I have every expectation they would minimize civilian casualties if the murderous Hamas were holed up in a crowded Israeli neighborhood.

Excellent point. Many months ago already, an Israeli official was asked how the IDF would react when a group of Hamas terrorists would held Israeli families hostage in a condominium in an Israeli city.

Answer: we'd send in the special forces.

Apparently indiscriminate bombing of that condo was not an option, when it concerns Israeli civilians.

40 minutes ago, Nick Carter icp said:

 

   We understand that the Palestinians got treated the way they did for a reason , reason being they they have been attacking Israel since Israel became a Country .

   Palestinians will keep fighting against Israel until they win and Israel no longer exists , their treatment has nothing to do with their actions 

Somehow you must have missed this part of history:

:During the 1948 Palestine war in which the State of Israel was established, around 700,000 Palestinian Arabs or 85% of the total population of the territory Israel captured fled or were expelled from their homes by Israeli forces.'

1 minute ago, Chomper Higgot said:

I thought the pre-7/10 period was off limits. 
 

But if we are going there it wasn’t simply a ceasefire was it?

 

There was a lot of other stuff going on.

Wasn't that the period when Netanyahu was supporting Hamas (divide and conquer, right?) and ignored the warnings of the plan that Hamas had?

27 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

Have you got a link to how many civilian casualties is acceptable?

A question I've asked just after October 7th, on a completely different forum, when the death toll was already high and indiscriminate bombing was obvious.

The answer was: turn Gaza into a parking lot.

So I replied with: why not use Israels nuclear bombs and be done with it?

No answer.

4 minutes ago, Nick Carter icp said:

 

   Why cant you write things in your own words , rather than just posting  links to threads ?

I do have a google web search as well and I can find links myself .

I really don't  need you to do web searches for me .

There was a time when I used to spend much of may day reading Guardian links which people kept sending me , posters kept sending me links and asking me to read the links and then comment on the links .

  * What you  think about what this journalist says in this Guardian link *

Thank you for sharing your personal issues. I'm not posting articles with opinions, but with facts. If you're not interested in the facts about the Lavender program, and you don't want to compare it with the results on the battlefield in Gaza, that's for you.

8 minutes ago, Nick Carter icp said:

 

   Yes, I just don't want to spend my day opening a reading links , they are often behind paywalls or you need to join or allow ADs . 

   Although I haven't opened your links, so I wouldn't know whether your links are like that 

Good luck with expanding your knowledge that way.

And before you come with complaining, I do my own research, and usually come up with credible sources, and those are the links I post.

Anyone is welcome to do the same.

4 minutes ago, Nick Carter icp said:

 

   You really should write your opinion yourself and then back it up with links, rather than just keeping on sending links with no explanation of what is contained in the link .

 

If you don't have the time or capability to read extensive articles about the subject, not my problem.

1 minute ago, Bkk Brian said:

Not correct:

 

The process of identifying military targets in the IDF consists of various types of tools and methods, including information management tools, which are used in order to help the intelligence analysts to gather and optimally analyze the intelligence, obtained from a variety of sources. Contrary to claims, the IDF does not use an artificial intelligence system that identifies terrorist operatives or tries to predict whether a person is a terrorist. Information systems are merely tools for analysts in the target identification process. 

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2024/apr/03/israel-defence-forces-response-to-claims-about-use-of-lavender-ai-database-in-gaza

Thank you for posting that defensive explanation by the IDF.

7 minutes ago, Nick Carter icp said:

 

 

   In the real World, Israeli is being commended for keeping civilians causalities to a minimum and their techniques for urban warfare will soon be taught to all other armies that don't want to kill civilians 

'keeping civilian casualties to a minimum'?

Please read the official IDF policy.

https://www.972mag.com/lavender-ai-israeli-army-gaza/

4 minutes ago, Nick Carter icp said:

 

   I do, yes .

When the IDF make mistakes, they hold their hands up and admit to their mistakes .

Hey look, and it's not even Al Jazeera!

https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/2023-12-21/ty-article/.premium/israelis-need-the-army-spokesmans-lies-to-keep-believing-were-winning/0000018c-8cdb-da31-adff-8edb0f430000

4 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said:

I didn't even hint that you may be a Hamas supporter. Having Al Jazeera as your go to is all I need to know.

 

Yes plenty of proof, even has its own topic on it on this forum.

 

Al Jazeera journalist reportedly moonlights as Hamas commander claims IDF

https://aseannow.com/topic/1319746-al-jazeera-journalist-reportedly-moonlights-as-hamas-commander-claims-idf

 

More after that if you want to see more.

 

'claims IDF '. Enough said. I didn't say Al Jazeera is my 'go to', you just conveniently made that up.

6 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said:

Most Hamas supporters would agree with you as they have their own working for them

I'm not a Hamas supporter. Any proof for Al Jazeera having terrorist employees? I'll wait.

16 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said:

Yes I can read, but I read that report when it was published months ago. I was responding to Al Jazeera and its terrorist employees. 

I'd say that generally, Al Jazeera is a better news channel (in English) than any of the American news channels.

27 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said:

I can hear perfectly well, was there an audio you wanted me to listen to?

Ok, then you have a PC or phone problem. Can't help you with that.

Here's the text, I hope you can read.

https://www.swissinfo.ch/eng/israeli-minister-repeats-call-for-palestinians-to-leave-gaza/49095226

7 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said:

Yea ok, Al Jazeera, one of Hamas's favorite employers. Pure pro Hamas propaganda

Do you have a hearing problem? Which part of this article, including the video, is Hamas propaganda?

4 minutes ago, Nick Carter icp said:

 

   The person who said that has been excluded to the Netanyahu cabinet .

So, its not Israeli Government policy 

Yes, I know that. But it is a prominent thought among the far right in Israel, and Netanyahu depends on the far right.

You could also simply look at the results of Israel's policies, not just in Gaza, but also the West Bank.

Gaza has become inhabitable. Not just by the rubble that's left, but also by the toxic materials everywhere, the destroyed infrastructure. On the West Bank Palestinian farmers are daily harassed and attacked by illegal settlers, driven off their land, with the support of the IDF. For many years already, but intensified since October 7th. And without any opposition from America, of course.

The idea of the two-state solution is a fantasy, it doesn't matter that Biden and Blinken keep babbling about it.

If you don't recognize the ethnic cleansing here, you must be blind.

46 minutes ago, Presto said:

You don't know about ethnic cleansing?

For your reading pleasure:

https://www.aljazeera.com/opinions/2024/2/26/settler-violence-israels-ethnic-cleansing-plan-for-the-west-bank

For your reading pleasure:

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2023/12/31/israeli-minister-reiterates-calls-for-palestinians-to-leave-gaza

Just now, Nick Carter icp said:

 

 ^ A blog from last year with someone calling for something 

 

 Blogs are not an allowable news source on these forums .

Also, people "calling for" things isn't even news worthy .

 

You must have missed this part:

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3 minutes ago, Patong2021 said:

 

Egypt and Qatar are fed up with Hamas. Israel has offered all sorts of concessions and still Hamas won't agree to a ceasefire by releasing the hostages. Ask yourself what justification Hamas has to prolong the war and to hold non combatant hostages under horrific conditions. Hamas wants and needs the war to continue. Iran needs and wants this war to continue. Every country involved in trying to negotiate an end to the war knows that Hamas is intentionally prolonging the war. Why do you think the Arab countries are really not putting pressure on Israel? Even Turkey is keeping cool and Erdogan despises israel. The entire diplomatic world knows that Hamas has been told to keep the war going. The $200million paid by Iran to Hamas leadership has to be earned.

You don't know about ethnic cleansing?

For your reading pleasure:

https://www.aljazeera.com/opinions/2024/2/26/settler-violence-israels-ethnic-cleansing-plan-for-the-west-bank

8 minutes ago, Patong2021 said:

 

Ethnic cleansing?  I don't think Israel or Egypt got the memo. The Gazans are still in  Gaza and are not going anywhere. They are not going to Egypt and they are not going to Israel. You do know that despite the war, the  population of Gaza is not decreasing. They keep popping out babies. Gaza has one of the highest birth rates in the world  (39th). 

 

As for the IDF policies, why don't you help us out and reference the specific documentation that supports your claim of ethnic cleansing.  

In respect to your claim that the US  funded ethnic cleansing, you are confused. It was Hamas that diverted cement from humanitarian aid to build its military tunnels and reinforced  bunkers for hamas select members, all the while telling the world that israel denied it cement to build homes. Remember that lie? And it was Hamas that diverted humanitarian aid of water pipes and sewage pipes to build rockets to fire the daily barrage at israel. Remember when  Hamas and NGOs were complaining about an inadequate amount of piping? now we know where all the pipes went and why KMs of new  water piping  disappeared. So technically, it can be said that the US with its generous aid donations to Gaza helped fund the Hamas  military build up.

 

The Gazans who have families in the USA are financially well off and are fine. They are doing well in their exclusive communities of Dearborn and elsewhere in Michigan where non muslims are not welcome. The israeli Arab hostage families on the other hand are not doing so well.  BTW, any kind words for some of the Israeli Arabs injured by Hamas and iranian missiles?   Amina al-Hassouni is the 7 year old bedouin  in the Israeli hospital ICU with a severe head injury after her family home was hit by iranian missile shrapnel.

 

For your information:

https://www.middleeasteye.net/live-blog/live-blog-update/israeli-municipality-official-calls-burying-alive-subhuman-palestinian

18 minutes ago, Nick Carter icp said:

 

   They have been staving to death for six months now .

How come they still seem to be over weight in the photos  .

Is there some boke there called Jesus feeding the 50 000 again , 

Your disdain for human life, in this case Palestinian, is obvious.

Since Israel doesn't allow journalists in Gaza, or rather attack and kill them if they have the chance, I have to rely on UN reporting.

And Israel's deliberately hindering and attacking food transports doesn't bother you at all I guess.

Israel's defense minister Gallant explicitly declared a policy of starving Gaza, just after October 7th.

'

Defense Minister Yoav Gallant says he has ordered a “complete siege” of the Gaza Strip, as Israel fights the Hamas terror group.

“I have ordered a complete siege on the Gaza Strip. There will be no electricity, no food, no fuel, everything is closed,” Gallant says following an assessment at the IDF Southern Command in Beersheba.

“We are fighting human animals and we are acting accordingly,” he adds.'

3 minutes ago, Jingthing said:

Actually what Putin has been doing to Ukraine is much worse and its happening now. Putin's intentions towards Ukraine are explicitly genocidal unlike Israel which does not have genocidal intentions towards Palestinian Arabs.

You think that about 1 million on the verge of, already in starvation, doesn't count?

3 hours ago, Hanaguma said:

Chances are that half the smooth brained idiots at these protests couldn't find Gaza on a map, nevermind articulate any sensible position on the subject.  There are more than 100 conflicts currently going on in the world, yet somehow this one particular conflict gains their attention. Wonder why...

You wonder why? That's odd.

Maybe because the conflict in Gaza and the West Bank is the worst conflict at this moment. War crimes, and ethnic cleansing (let's leave out genocide for the moment) with the assistance of American money and weapons.

And many of those students may very well have family ties with Gaza. You know, those families that have been erased indiscriminately with the help of 2000 pound American bombs.

You should read up about official IDF policies.

15 minutes ago, Excogitator said:

Most sitting US- Presidents have been guilty of neglecting and even working against the interests of the Palestinian people, and Trump was no exception. There were at least two major clashes between Gaza and Israel during his presidency, and he stood firmly by Israel each time. He even moved the US embassy to Jerusalem, a huge provocation against the Palestinian people, and he oversaw the transfer of billions of dollars of military aid to Israel, weapons that are now being used against the Palestinians.

Thanks for informing me, although that wasn't necessary. I know all that.

Biden is supposed to be a decent man, the perfect opponent to scumbag Trump, but in reality it's all fluff.

Have you ever heard of the Leahy act? Apparently that law, like so many other laws in America, have no meaning.