3 hours ago, JonnyF said:

They should have kept quiet, changed the locks and let Andrew move in. Then film it when Harry and his wife turn up, Jeremy Beadle style. Sell it to Netflix.

 

Seriously though, looking at recent pictures of Harry I think he's finally worked it out. He got played, or maybe played himself. Trouble is, he is so dim it will take him 5 years to work out his next move. 

 

When she's done with him, maybe he can return to the family and work for charities helping Male survivors of psychological domestic abuse? He likes playing the victim.

I suggest you read the book.  He doesn't play the victim.  He is straightforward and honest about his misdeeds.   He served his queen and country with dignity and honor.  

The indigenous people can move and still retain their culture.  The turbines can be moved and still produce electricity.   

6 minutes ago, JonnyF said:

What sex offense was a member of the Royal Family convicted of? Please provide links.

 

If you are referring to the self confessed prostitute and procurer of women, Virginia Giuffre, you should be aware that it's not a sex offense to have sex with a 17 year old in the UK. You should also be aware that 'woman' (and I use the term loosely) has a history of making false accusations against wealthy men.

 

https://edition.cnn.com/2022/11/08/us/alan-dershowitz-virginia-giuffre-allegations-dropped/index.html

 

 

 

It becomes a whole new crime when a girl is being sent to someone with the intent to have sex.   Sorry, but Andrew was never going to get out of this, and that is why they settled and settled for such a huge amount.   

10 minutes ago, herfiehandbag said:

Prince Harry has spent the last two years attempting to do as much damage as possible to his (Royal) family. It can hardly be surprising that the King, who, along with his wife has been one of his main targets is not inclined to provide him with a "pied a terre" within the Crown Estates.

 

Prince Edward ( the late Queens youngest child) is married with two children, one in her first year at university and one at school. Together with his wife the Countess of Wessex he is a hard working member of the Royal Family.

 

Prince Andrew ( the late Queen's second son) is divorced, remains close to his ex wife and has two married daughters and grandchildren. There have been allegations of sexual offences, no charges have ever been brought or real evidence submitted in the US or UK. He has made himself available for interview by the authorities investigating Epstein's affairs. What he has not done is danced attendance on them in New York, which would result in a media circus, and possibly a feeding frenzy by lawyers with political ambitions!

 

He reached an out of court settlement with his accuser, to avoid the affair overshadowing his mother's Platinum Jubilee, and no doubt conscious that she was in the last month's of her life.

 

He is widely regarded as an arrogant pompous individual with a strong sense of entitlement, unpleasant characteristics perhaps but not criminal offences. Personally I think he is a rather sad, perhaps unsavoury, individual; but he was loved by, and loved, his mother, perhaps why he will continue to be provided with a house by his brother the King.

 

You seem to have a lot of false-insight into Andrew.  That huge settlement was paid by the Queen, and it was only done to avoid a trial.  So, was there evidence?   Yes.   Hopefully other posters will be along to set you straight on Andrew.  

I don't know what else the jury could have done.  The man lied endlessly through the trial.  He was caught lying and only came clean about a lie when he was caught -- like on videotape.  Then, he would make up some new story.  It only took 3 hours, and I suspect that's because they were waiting for coffee and donuts before returning to the courtroom.   

And I wonder what will happen when a few of the parents decide the class should go to Drag Queen Story Hour at the public library!

The world would probably be better off if we stopped buying a lot of the junk from China.   

I wonder if Turkey is going to try and block this.

Somebody needs to put a sock in her mouth.  She is a very dangerous woman.

I wonder if they will reimburse Harry for the cost of the renovations to Frogmore.  He paid out of pocket.   

I am pretty much a Harry fan and to a lesser extent a Harry & Megan fan.  Harry is a Prince and he is a member of the royal family.  He now resides in the US, but given his connections to the UK, he will no doubt have reason to spend time in the UK.  I fully understand that Frogmore is probably a much larger and more elaborate home than he needs.  I am sure they can find some adequate, smaller place that would afford him and his family a place to stay when they visit.   He still needs to be in a secure location, and that would probably be on the royal property.  

I do wonder why Edward, who is not married and has no minor children, needs such an elaborate place to live.  I don't recall the exact reference in the book, but there was a place where he made a remark about a sex-offending member of the family ranked higher than a Spare.   

1 hour ago, Mac Mickmanus said:

Have you read the book ?

I am surprised that you didn't mention that previously 

He claimed that he was subjected to racism from the Royal Family and when he won an award to fighting against racism, he denied there was any racism in the Royal Family

As I said in the post you replied to, yes, I have read the book.  Obviously you haven't.  He did not make such a claim in the book.  You might want to read it, if you are going to discuss it.  

3 hours ago, Hanaguma said:

Seriously? Someone from Somalia or Nigeria or Ethiopia had it better than African Americans who grew up in the US?  

You made an unsubstantiated claim.  Now you are making an assertion that the people from Somalia, Nigeria or Ethiopia are immigrants.  Most are not immigrants, they are refugees.  So, do you think refugees are a good for the US?  

But here's a little more about immigrants from Sub-Sahara Africa:

Compared to the total U.S. immigrant population, sub-Saharan Africans are better educated, participate in the labor force at higher rates, and are more likely to speak English at home. Yet they also have lower average incomes and experience poverty at higher rates than the foreign-born population overall.

https://www.migrationpolicy.org/article/sub-saharan-african-immigrants-united-states?gclid=EAIaIQobChMIjf6NnbC7_QIVxxPUAR3I_AD0EAAYASAAEgJqO_D_BwE

I like Prince Harry and very much enjoyed his book.  It provides some amazing insight into his personal struggles and how his family operates both as a family and as an institution.  Nothing in the book made me dislike either Charles or William.  Much of it are things that happen in most families.   

As far as Frogmore goes, I wonder if they are going to reimburse him for the million in renovations he put into it and paid for?   I thought Andrew and Fergie were sharing the same place?

13 minutes ago, Hanaguma said:

You are referring to the ADOS community of black Americans I take it?  Funny how nobody has been able to answer how recent immigrants from Africa are somehow able to outstrip so-called 'native born' African American ADOS people.  Perhaps race isn't the issue.  

 

As for Adams, I am sure he is getting ready to jump to Substack if he hasn't already. 

A lot of the immigrant blacks haven't had a life-time of discrimination, oppression, lack of housing, lack of health care, etc., etc., etc.  

35 minutes ago, mania said:

The really odd nature of this virus is how it moved thru society

 

In my life any virus I have seen in the last 60 years was always quick to attach to youngsters

This one was the opposite & seemed at least initially to mainly attach to seniors

 

Also how it took a weak link in its host & used it was also odd where as in other viruses it was always the virus/infection itself

 

But as mentioned with all the attention of young researchers I'm hopeful we will eventually have an explanation

 

That's interesting.  A lot of times diseases do affect the young and the old more seriously than others, but Covid didn't work that way with the young.  The thing to remember, though, is that a lot of childhood illnesses that children get are more dangerous for adults, mumps is a good example.  

2 hours ago, placeholder said:

Well, the more one believes in the personhood of a fetus, the more they should be inclined to support that fetus getting proper care. Something which the state of Florida allegedly hasn't provided.

For some reason, I just don't trust the current crop of right-wing politicians to do that.  I think their mission is to see women as a vessel to hold a fetus, sort of like a brood mare.  I wonder when they'll start putting them in jail for using drugs, drinking or reckless behavior while pregnant.   

7 hours ago, brewsterbudgen said:

It's good, gripping, stuff. Especially all the background about Mallory Beach and the boat accident.  Very much a teaser though, as the full documentary won't be completed until after the verdict.

I've followed this case and I saw the documentary.  It's very well done.  It's amazing to see how powerful this family was and how they have fallen.

1 hour ago, EVENKEEL said:

 10 hours ago, ozimoron said:

What proportion compared to black slaves? And were whites then subjected to a century of racist discrimination?

 

This was who I replied to and then you jump in. Move on.

Well, it's a discussion form.  If you want a private conversation, they have a PM function for that, but I suspect you are now stuck from what appears to be a very trollish, racist remark, and you can't easily get out of it.    

I do think I understand what you were trying to get at, but it really didn't work well, so let me help you out a little.  There is most certainly a racist component to it.  I think it is wrong to simply blame one race.  It's a lot more complicated than that.  The racial component is evident, and it was mostly white, but it was also western -- many European slave traders -- they were listed on the London stock exchange.  They were white, but they weren't American.  America's struggle to end slavery was a little different.  A difficult one, but we also didn't have a king to make a decree.  It was a struggle and it took a war.  From there, we didn't really do the best job of working toward equality or fairness.  We could have done better.   We are starting to do better.  We need to do more.  

At it's core, slavery was an institution.  It was an institution that dates back to the earliest historical times and probably before recorded history.  A lot of variations, but they were covered by laws and regulations that go much further back than the US.   Even Hammurabi's code, the earliest record of laws, had the punishments that could be meted out to slaves.

The US is the lightening rod of the history of slavery, and it was based on race.  

I feel no responsibility for what my race has done in the past -- that's history.  I do feel a level of responsibility to do what I can to right the wrongs in as much as possible.  I feel a responsibility to learn and understand what happened, why it happened, and what can be done to right the wrongs. 

We all have the right to like whomever we wish.  It's sad when that is based on color and not character.  We don't have the right to mistreat others.  We don't have a right to discriminate in employment or education, though.    

1 minute ago, EVENKEEL said:

You were implying someone has to be blamed. 

No, that would be you.  This is what you said, "At what point do we stop blaming whites for slavery in the US?".  

3 minutes ago, EVENKEEL said:

All the folks who were to blame are long dead. 

Then why did you couch it in racial terms?