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"If you have entered Turkey from Syria, Afghanistan etc and refuse to seek asylum there or have already saught asylum and "continue your journey" you are automatically NOT a refugee anymore"
I used to think the same logic as you, as it applied to Australia where illegal boat people fled from Indonesia where many had been living, sometimes for years. Apparently under amendments to the refugee act many years ago, and which Australia and others signed, refugees are allowed to stop in a "safe" country and then continue on, keeping their refugee status.....BLOODY CRAZY ISN'T IT.?
Indonesia, nor Turkey are signatories to the relevant UN Convention for refugees, thereby providing internationally recognised legal protection and process. Australia, as is within the rights of a sovereign nation, broke long standing international conventions for protection of refugees by implementing the PNG Solution.
Some more background...
For refugees to be able to benefit from the standards of treatment provided for by the 1951 Convention Relating to the Status of Refugees (1951Convention) and/or to its Protocol or other relevant international and regional instruments, it is essential that they have access to a procedure where the validity of their claims can be assessed. The principle of non-refoulement includes the obligation not to reject asylum-seekers at frontiers and to grant them access to a fair and efficient asylum or status determination procedures. There is no duty in international law for an individual to seek asylum in the first country that they enter.
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The OP indulges in a distortion.
It is very true that only a tiny minority of global Muslims are active terrorists.
But a shockingly high percentage of global Muslims support outrageous barbaric practices, such as:
Death penalty for apostasy (leaving Islam)
Honor killings for adultery
Murdering people for being gay
The levels vary nation by nation.
Thailand's Muslims do have relatively moderate views and that's great. North American Muslims are unusually moderate. On the other hand, many majority Muslim nations have populations that favor death for apostasy overwhelmingly. So -- it's not productive to pretend there isn't a problem with this on a global level.
The OP tries to just brush it under the rug. Thus, a fail.
It's not Islamophobic to show support for the minority of global Muslims who are active now to REFORM their fellow religionists, globally. They're almost always in the west because if they were living in Islamic dominated states, their lives would be in danger.
As far as interacting with Thai Muslims as people, I'd say approach them as individual human beings and don't make assumptions about them, either way. But that's not the same thing as not being aware of this GLOBAL issue.
None and I want to keep it that way. Why? well the above reasons tell some of the story. Their treatment of women is terrible. They so seldom come forward and condemn the radical Muslims. They seem to be biding their time while producing large numbers of children. They will control many countries via this method in the next 50 to 100 years.
Just how many Muslims in Thailand do you know know whose treatment of women is terrible? As I posted above I have lived in a Thai Muslim community, all the families insisted putting the female children through school, took good care of their wives and so on. in fact a female was the first member of the community to obtain a Uni degree. There will always be exceptions to the norm & if a female was abused they could go to the Imam and get a divorce.
So far as Muslim population growth is concerned, generally this is a myth in today's world. A link below, but likely you're familiar with Pew Research who also debunk the claims.
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Is not the OP written & posted by a member of staff of the company which owns TV? I've long held the view the extraordinary large volume of Muslim / Islam related topics on TV as unusual, even click bait.
However, to answer the headline question raised in the OP I personally know approx 20 Thai Sunni Muslims residing in East Pattaya plus many more casually via my wife's family functions. My takeaway from living for four years among Thai Muslims in Pattaya is they are hard working, honest, enjoy a laugh, not sympathetic to the killings and horror of terrorism in places such as the M.E., nor the deep South & live in peace & friendship with their local Thai Buddhist neighbours.
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What is the role of the UNHCR in this crisis - are they merely observes or do they bear some responsibility for coordinating the handling of the refugee situation?
Under the impression that the UNHCR switches between the two modes as the wind blows.
Think the content at the URL below will answer your question. UNHCR is reliant on UN member countries for funding, resourcing, local country asylum legislation and so on.
http://www.unhcr.org/pages/4dd12ad46.html
IMO to date the nationalistic self serving lack of co-ordination between EU countries has added to the nightmare.
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What a horrible country to 'retire' in.
Bravery doesn't really come to mind when one thinks of storming a home for the elderly and killing people. How low can people go?
Terribly as we know acts such as the mass murder of children of military officers at a school in Pakistan and other acts of pure evil reported on a nearly daily basis.
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OP: When I was living in Thailand I arranged & registered a Living Will with Bangkok Pattaya Hospital who issued a card to keep in my wallet. In addition I arranged for a certified copy for my Thai GP and wife. There is some detail about Living Wills in Thailand via internet search, an example below:
http://www.thailawonline.com/en/family/living-wills-in-thailand.html
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This topic proves how hypocrite and fascist western people are. Turkey is hosting 3m refugees already, and the west cant even handle measly 1 million. Does Turkey have the resources EU has? No, not even close.
Yet these hypocrites go to every single non western country and accuse them of violating human rights, like Thailand,Turkey,Vietnam, etc.
I respect you for not wanting immigrants or refugees in your country, thats perfectly fine, but you shouldnt be an hypocrite and meddle with the internal affairs of other countries. Your leaders were the ones that destabilized libya,Syria,Egypt. You are reaping the fruits now. The people that got displaced because of your messed up foreign policy have nowhere to go now, thats why they are looking for a stable country to settle in.
The one little detail that disturbs everything is that in the EU, it is illegal to treat refugees the same way they are treated in Turkey.
About destabilizing Iraq and Syria, you are totally right.
But the politicians did it, and the people have to pay.
Same old same old
Turkey hosts some of the best refugee camps in the planet, this was confirmed by UN Refugee head Alex gutierrez.
there are no official camps in the EU.
this also got me thinking:
http://time.com/4063674/zaatari-camps-empty-syria/
"Refugee Camps Empty as Syrians Head for Europe"
It's been claimed by UNHCR on a number of occasions that as the war in Syria drags on refugee saving start to run out in order to supplement the basic support they get in the camps, although the majority are forced to obtain rental accommodation, no future, little education for the children etc, accordingly many give up & try to enter the EU. To complicate matters UNHCR is saying some donor countries have not complied to the pledges made so often refugees seeking shelter / support are insufficiently funded / resourced.
Overall the refugee numbers in countries bordering Syria are increasing. In the case of Jordan , some 630,000 Syrians have registered with the UNHCR since 2011, though Amman says the actual number of Syrian refugees in Jordan is around 1.4 million.
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"Out in the cold..." BS! The confirmed temperature is just now 65 degrees, ten degrees colder then Damascus, and 100% more than freezing temperature. In fact, "days freezing in a tent..." is hyperbole at best, deceit most likely. It has not been freezing in Idomeni in any recent stretch of time. Words have meaning. When meaning is compromised its called deceit.
As a matter of detail your claim is incorrect. Currently 15 day forecast for night time temperatures at Idomeni, is between 1C - 9C degrees. There were below freezing night time temperatures on a number of days in December. As well a number of people are sleeping in the open at night.
http://m.accuweather.com/en/gr/idomeni/184737/extended-weather-forecast/184737
You personally do not concede the winter night time temperatures are 'freezing', so what!
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Personally I find it peculiar that US citizens who generally come across as anti-authoritarian want to vote an individual, Trump, into Office who represents authoritarianism.
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He certainly won't kiss the Saudi rulers feet like Obama did, or make his first trip an endorsement of the wonderful Muslim brotherhood, that was a real party piece by Obama and we will probably never get over it
Trump's personal wealth is entangled in the world of Muslim finance / business.
http://qz.com/568178/donald-trump-owes-much-of-his-fortune-to-wea/
If Trump achieves the Presidency we will have to wait & see if he lives up to his political rhetoric or turns out to be yet another person who over promises, but under achieves.
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@dbreen: You are making off topic and irrelevant comparison to the asylum seeker situation in Greece and elsewhere in the EU. The Thai government does not provide shelter or support for Pakistani Christians asylum seekers. The cost to Thailand is detention & policing effort, activity which is contrary to international protocols.
All registered asylum seekers are issued with a UN document, which certifies them as an "internationally recognised UN person of concern". This means they should not be arrested or detained for seeking asylum while the UN investigates their case.
http://www.bbc.com/news/magazine-35654804
Blame is laid against UNHCR for the slow process of registering and resettlement of the Pakistanis; at the same time anyone with minimal knowledge of these matters will know UNHCR is totally dependent on finance, resourcing and resettlement programs by governments, NGOs and so on. However, as already previously mentioned more than 7,000 Pakistanis in Thailand were resettled in third party countries in 2014. From the UNHCR website there are currently an estimated 12,200 Pakistanis refugees / asylum seekers in Thailand seeking resettlement in third party countries, via UNHCR, in Thailand.
http://www.unhcr.org/pages/49e489646.html
As you constantly post off topic comments and seem to be empathetic to the Thai government you may wish to provide your thoughts why after decades the government has still not provided citizenship for more that 400k Thai Hill Tribe people, thereby keeping them stateless in contravention to the very basics of Human Rights.
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Koh Rong has a nasty reputation for sand flies - sand fly bites can make your and wife's life miserable.
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simple1, on 29 Feb 2016 - 09:33, said:steve187, on 29 Feb 2016 - 09:08, said:
10th century people in a 21st century world
Actually 7th century. However from the report...
"We see cases from many communities including those from Hindu, Sikh, Jewish, and Mormon backgrounds. No religion accepts forced marriage but some parents are using it as a method of control," she added.
How would a foreigner be able to obtain a visa based on underage marriage / child pregnancy with a UK citizen?
For the same reason that they can get benefits for multiple wives, even though polygamy is illegal in the UK.
<snip>Cannot gain immigration clearance based upon a polygamous marriage.
www.parliament.uk/briefing-papers/sn05051.pdf
Again how does an overseas foreign 'husband' gain immigration clearance if married to an under-aged UK citizen or does the 'husband' have to wait to get officially married when the girl is 18 & then apply?
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So this political party wants to keep "convicted Criminals" in their country.Just to show that they can out vote the other party in a referendum.Wow so this must be where the Thai students go to learn their government skills out side of Thailand.
Switzerland has laws in place from a 2010 referendum to deport convicted criminals after serving their sentence. The OP "Enforcement Initiative" is in regard to petty criminality which is way over the top.
There is a reasonable article on the background of the OP below.
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10th century people in a 21st century world
Actually 7th century. However from the report...
"We see cases from many communities including those from Hindu, Sikh, Jewish, and Mormon backgrounds. No religion accepts forced marriage but some parents are using it as a method of control," she added.
How would a foreigner be able to obtain a visa based on underage marriage / child pregnancy with a UK citizen?
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The UK is going broke while bragging about its socialism. The UK's debt is now about the same as that of the US as a percentage of GDP and it's climbing fast. The UK will be broke in fewer than ten years and then who will pay for the NHS?
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Cheers.
The claims you make are incorrect on every point raised. Ten year economic forecast for UK.
http://www.tradingeconomics.com/united-kingdom/forecast
Back on topic for preferred US President...
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If I were a christian i wouldn't pin my hopes on the un doing to much to help. The un is overrun with moslem countries. Look who is now head of HRC.......
Kindly back up your speculation with facts. In 2014 UNHCR assisted 7000+ Pakistani refugees in Thailand to be resettled in third party counties, although it's only a guess I submit many, if not the majority, would be Christian.
Another example...
UNHCR officials reject the notion that any structural flaws in their systems discriminate against Christian refugees, intentionally or not. Roughly 16 percent of Iraqi refugees who have registered with the UNHCR are Christians, officials noted — far higher than the roughly 1 percent of Iraq that is Christian.
With regards to Syria, as the Christians are aligned to, fight with and mainly live in Assad regime protected areas I would assume there currently is only a relatively small number of Christians fleeing.
In any case your assertion is incorrect, the current Head of UNHCR is a an Italian Christian, Filippo Grandi. Prior to Grandi's election it was another non-Muslim, António Guterres.
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They could try the US, Canada, Aussie.
Perhaps they think Thailand is more tolerant? Or are you suggesting previously the authorities simply turned a blind eye?
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Asylum seekers are normally unable to obtain UNHCR protection & resettlement services within their home countries so must travel to a country from which to lodge an application for resettlement via UNHCR. In the case of the OP it is obvious Thailand is not the ideal country, nor are other countries in the region to seek UNHCR protection.
As said above UNHCR is reliant on third party countries for resettlement programs for which very few places are available worldwide. Of the 14.4 million refugees of concern to UNHCR around the world, in 2014 only 73,000 individuals departed to resettlement countries with UNHCR's assistance.
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There is a surprising amount of ignorance regards the reality of balance of trade between US & Mexico. Equally so with the reality that outsourcing keeps US companies competitive with both domestic and exports markets. Just on the facts of US / Mexican trade...
"On balance, it can be said that trade with Mexico and Mexicans is far more beneficial to the United States and millions of Americans than not. Why, then, is anyone taking Trump seriously?"
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Did you read the info at the URL I provided? There will be exceptions to the norm for individual companies, but overall nations gain in trade and employment opportunities from outsourcing, global global trade / tariff agreements etc. Resorting to protectionism and reversing the likes of GATT agreements is not the way forward.
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After reading the article I'm really not sure why people are bashing Thailand! Thailand are allowing the UN to effectively have illegal aliens in Thailand. Living freely without visas etc. But according to the article " The Thai immigration police have lost patience with the UN's failure to process asylum cases in good time" which to be fair isn't Thailand's fault. It's the UN's fault. Not getting upto date visas for them is the UN fault. Not giving legal counsel.. UN fault.. In fact it actually seems that Thailand is pretty relaxed about these Christian Pakistanis.
Perhaps you may wish to research the funding by the Thai government for UNHCR.
Thailand does not have any legal process for the protection of asylum seekers, so there is not any Thai visa that provides support to stay. UNHCR is dependent on detonations from governments, NGOs, private individuals and so on and of course resettlement programs by host countries, During 2014 only just over over 73,000 individuals (7,170 from Thailand) departed to resettlement countries with UNHCR's assistance, out of the millions being supported by UNHCR in countries around the world. In this specific case long stay Pakistani refugees in Thailand is not the fault of UNHCR.
To compound the accusations against the Thai government is of course the estimated 440k plus Hill Tribe people within Thailand who are still stateless.
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There is a surprising amount of ignorance regards the reality of balance of trade between US & Mexico. Equally so with the reality that outsourcing keeps US companies competitive with both domestic and exports markets. Just on the facts of US / Mexican trade...
"On balance, it can be said that trade with Mexico and Mexicans is far more beneficial to the United States and millions of Americans than not. Why, then, is anyone taking Trump seriously?"
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The issue was first raised by Europol:
The EU’s law enforcement agency, Europol, first raised the alarm.
I don't think they are an NGO.
Yes and previously posted as a news story on TV with the usual empathetic responses. However, fuller coverage at...
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/jan/30/fears-for-missing-child-refugees
GERMANY BANS SAUSAGES: Pork banned in cafes and schools to 'not offend refugees'
in World News
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Agree with your point. However, The OP headline is gross misinformation, I guess to leverage anti-Muslim bias to attract readers. The info is based on a report of a German politician's claim in Schleswig-Holstein.
"Günther told local German newspaper "Lübecker Nachrichten" that at least one nursery in every voting district had stopped serving pork after taking Muslim children into consideration".
http://www.dw.com/en/schleswig-holstein-cdu-fights-to-keep-pork-on-canteen-menus/a-19085870