rooster59 Posted September 30, 2017 Share Posted September 30, 2017 Catalans prepare to defy Madrid in banned independence vote By Jordi Rubio A woman kisses a Spanish flag as protesters hold Spanish and Catalan flags during a demonstration in favor of a unified Spain a day before the banned October 1 independence referendum, in Barcelona, Spain, September 30, 2017. REUTERS/Susana Vera BARCELONA (Reuters) - Tens of thousands of Catalans are expected to defy Spanish authorities and attempt to vote in a banned independence referendum on Sunday, raising fears of unrest in the wealthy northeastern region. The referendum, declared illegal by Spain's central government, has thrown the country into its worst constitutional crisis in decades and raised fears of street violence as a test of will between Madrid and Barcelona plays out. In a sign of how the planned vote has polarised the country, thousands of pro-unity demonstrators gathered in Spain's major cities, including Barcelona, to express their fierce opposition to Catalonia's attempt to break away. In the region itself, hundreds of supporters of the referendum spent the day with their children playing football, board games and ping pong in schools, traditionally used as voting stations in Spain, to keep them open until voting starts at 9 a.m. (0700 GMT) on Sunday. The government said just a small percentage of schools were occupied, however, and that it had verified that most of the more than 2,300 earmarked for the vote were closed. In those where they gathered, parents brought sleeping bags and prepared to bed down on gym mats. "We don't understand why we can't express in a peaceful manner the simplest expression of democracy - a vote," said Pablo Larranaga, as he stood in a school in Barcelona surrounded by parents and small children. "We don't know what is going to happen tomorrow. We are going to try to vote in the only way we know, which is peacefully." It is still unclear whether the referendum will go ahead despite the regional government's assertions that it will proceed and Madrid's insistence that it will block the move. The ballot will have no legal status as it has been blocked by Spain's Constitutional Court and Madrid for being at odds with the 1978 constitution. A minority of around 40 percent of Catalans support independence, polls show, although a majority want to hold a referendum on the issue. The region of 7.5 million people has an economy larger than that of Portugal. SPANISH FLAGS However much voting takes place, a "yes" result is likely, given that most of those who support independence are expected to cast ballots while most of those against it are not. Police monitored schools earmarked as polling stations and occupied the Catalan government's communications hub on Saturday in an effort to prevent the referendum from going ahead. The Catalan police, or Mossos d'Esquadra, who are monitoring the schools, are held in great affection by the Catalan people, especially after Islamist attacks in the region in August that killed 16. But thousands of extra police have been sent to the region in order to enforce a court order banning the referendum, many of whom are billeted in two ships in the port. A Spanish government source said it would be up to police how they carried out orders to remove people from polling stations on Sunday. The head of the Catalan police on Friday urged officers to avoid the use of force. Organisers urged voters to arrive at 5 a.m. (0300 GMT) at polling stations and to wait in line until the schools opened. Voters must show peaceful resistance to police action, organisers said. "We must be sure there are lots of people present of all ages," they said in instructions disseminated on social media. Any volunteer staffing a voting station with use of a census listing eligible voters would be liable for a fine of up to 300,000 euros, the government source said. Thousands of pro-unity demonstrators waving Spanish flags filled the central square outside the seat of the regional government and Barcelona city hall. One man burnt the Catalan flag while a group tried to tear down a banner reading 'More democracy' hanging from the front of the town hall to cheers from the crowd. In the capital Madrid, hundreds gathered waving the national flag and chanting 'Spanish unity' and 'Don't fool us - Catalonia is Spain'. Many balconies in the capital are draped with the red and yellow Spanish flag. -- © Copyright Reuters 2017-10-01 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuaBS Posted October 1, 2017 Share Posted October 1, 2017 10 hours ago, rooster59 said: However much voting takes place, a "yes" result is likely, given that most of those who support independence are expected to cast ballots while most of those against it are not. Thanks to the fascists in Madrid. The Catalans could have postponed it by a week , and another week , and another,...untill the cost of having the guardia civil there for weeks and weeks would cost the already broke Spanish gov to capitulate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
than Posted October 1, 2017 Share Posted October 1, 2017 The famous Western freedom and democracy. Ah yes only for exportation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maximillian Posted October 1, 2017 Share Posted October 1, 2017 Just imagine if this was Russia... The western media would be crying freedom and democracy and condemn Putin, even considering waiging a war at those evil tyrants. Sorry, a bit far fetched... Or not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuaBS Posted October 1, 2017 Share Posted October 1, 2017 5 hours ago, maximillian said: Just imagine if this was Russia... The western media would be crying freedom and democracy and condemn Putin, even considering waiging a war at those evil tyrants. Sorry, a bit far fetched... Or not. Don't worry , CNN will put the blame on Putin for the Catalanian referendum. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grouse Posted October 1, 2017 Share Posted October 1, 2017 (edited) Frankly, the situation is so complex it's not really suitable for shallow discussion. Catalonia already has significant devolution but one need s to understand the history. I do hope cool heads prevail. Remember the Ebro..... Edited October 1, 2017 by Grouse Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phantomfiddler Posted October 1, 2017 Share Posted October 1, 2017 Being a total luddite , I think "Why not leave things the way they were" ? and it always just so happens that the main instigator for independence so happens to be the guy who wants to be the head honcho of the new country. Nicola sturgeon, go take a long walk on a short pier ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuaBS Posted October 1, 2017 Share Posted October 1, 2017 I wonder what the Basques are thinking . They had to fight for years to get some kind of independence/autonomy . Remember the ETA ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuaBS Posted October 1, 2017 Share Posted October 1, 2017 Well , there is violence now. Reuters doesn't show much . There's more here Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maximillian Posted October 2, 2017 Share Posted October 2, 2017 17 hours ago, BuaBS said: Don't worry , CNN will put the blame on Putin for the Catalanian referendum. And Fox News will beat the war drums. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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