Livestock Vaccine

[Waterbuffalofarm]

All Livestock breeders in Thailand,

My Buffalos have vaccination again Parasits.(IVOMEC F).

Do you now where can I buy Vaccine for prodection again FMD Hemorrhagic Septicemia(Pasteurella) aand Brucellosis?

Best regards

Waterbuffalo

[teletiger]

WBF.

Your local agricultural department will have a livestock division. They distribute vaccines free. They will direct you to your local rep, who will come out and do the injections for you. The guy charges us 20 Baht per shot "petrol money". Fair enough.

Regards

[bina]

ivomac is not a vaccine it is just a worming medicine: injected or oral....

waterbuffalo, try to pm ramdomchance as he raises milk cows in thailand and does his own veterinary stuff for the most part.....he probably can help u

i also heard from someone raising goats in thailand that he bought vaccines over the web... since his agri. extension service korat area was less then co operative

and brucellosis has to be done when they are young first time round, should probably blood test them first for diseases and then vaccinate...(i guess a cattle vaccine program would fit them but not sure)

Edited January 10, 2007 by bina

[Khonwan]

ivomac is not a vaccine it is just a worming medicine: injected or oral....

waterbuffalo, try to pm ramdomchance as he raises milk cows in thailand and does his own veterinary stuff for the most part.....he probably can help u

i also heard from someone raising goats in thailand that he bought vaccines over the web... since his agri. extension service korat area was less then co operative

and brucellosis has to be done when they are young first time round, should probably blood test them first for diseases and then vaccinate...(i guess a cattle vaccine program would fit them but not sure)

I agree with teletiger. I previously obtained FMD Hemorrhagic Septicemia vaccines free from my Amphur vet and injected them myself. Don't know about the Brucellosis vaccine since I blood-tested all my stock (with a "negative" result). I have heard that they no longer have the budget for these vaccines but you should be able to purchase them from your provisional government livestock department or from many feedstuff supply shops.

[bina]

pretty bad if not vaccinating for brucellosis.... pretty wide spread and bad news for people... again, check with ramdom chance for info...

[Khonwan]

pretty bad if not vaccinating for brucellosis.... pretty wide spread and bad news for people... again, check with ramdom chance for info...

I have no need to check with RC: I bred cattle for years. If you understand how brucellosis is spread, and re-read that my herd was certified brucellosis-free, you should realise that vaccination is not required.

[RamdomChances]

Yes generaly we don't vaccinate for brucellocsis, the animals have a blood check every 6months. As has been said first stopshould be your local Ampout Vet Center (Batra Sat- is the closest I can spell it in Thai )

[bina]

no offense but in the middle east, we are not allowed to do this; we must vaccinate for brucellosis or our livestock can be quarantined and destroyed no questions asked. blood testing is required for any animal sold or moved which can only be done with a certificate from the nat;l vet. office including ear tag number, farm and destination.

i know in thailand that almost no one gets a cert. blood test before they transfer or sell their stock unless maybe they are a super professional spread; i doubt most poor villagers do that, so anyone (animal wise) can move with any disease to any other area...

just came back from lecture from country wide specialist for herd management (sheep/goats) and this for us is the letter of the law: i recently had a doe give birth to a two week premature birth (one dead almost finished kid and one rotten fetus)... sent off automatically for testing....

when i was in thailand in the korat area i went to visit the guy that was raising goats (used to be on tis forum). he happened to live near my husband's village. he and his wife were very frustrated about the lack of vaccine/preventative med info/help from the amphur/changwat etc. i find it strange that thailand is a brucellosis free area; i would love to see info (in thai or eng) about that...

we discussed in the past hoof and mouth disease, and other caprine and ovine diseases but at least here the nat'l vet office are becoming stricter about things from blood testing for chlamydia to CAE and JOHNNE and other zoanoses and animal related diseases.

since brucellosis chlamydia can have such devastating effects on humans i am concerned about vaccine programs in thailand ...

ramdom, if they test and your cows come out positive (even if its a false positive), and u have sold some already, how do they trace them? etc....

my questions of course are theoretical since i am still here with the goats and not in thailand

[Khonwan]

no offense but in the middle east, we are not allowed to do this; we must vaccinate for brucellosis or our livestock can be quarantined and destroyed no questions asked. blood testing is required for any animal sold or moved which can only be done with a certificate from the nat;l vet. office including ear tag number, farm and destination.

i know in thailand that almost no one gets a cert. blood test before they transfer or sell their stock unless maybe they are a super professional spread; i doubt most poor villagers do that, so anyone (animal wise) can move with any disease to any other area...

just came back from lecture from country wide specialist for herd management (sheep/goats) and this for us is the letter of the law: i recently had a doe give birth to a two week premature birth (one dead almost finished kid and one rotten fetus)... sent off automatically for testing....

when i was in thailand in the korat area i went to visit the guy that was raising goats (used to be on tis forum). he happened to live near my husband's village. he and his wife were very frustrated about the lack of vaccine/preventative med info/help from the amphur/changwat etc. i find it strange that thailand is a brucellosis free area; i would love to see info (in thai or eng) about that...

we discussed in the past hoof and mouth disease, and other caprine and ovine diseases but at least here the nat'l vet office are becoming stricter about things from blood testing for chlamydia to CAE and JOHNNE and other zoanoses and animal related diseases.

since brucellosis chlamydia can have such devastating effects on humans i am concerned about vaccine programs in thailand ...

ramdom, if they test and your cows come out positive (even if its a false positive), and u have sold some already, how do they trace them? etc....

my questions of course are theoretical since i am still here with the goats and not in thailand

Nobody said "thailand is a brucellosis free area". It is not free of brucellosis. It is for this reason that I always refused to allow any of my bulls to service neighbours' cows (or vice-versa).

I have never seen the amphur (local government district office) vet department offer brucellosis vaccine.

There is no procedure here for livestock tracing.

[Khonwan]

no offense but in the middle east, we are not allowed to do this; we must vaccinate for brucellosis or our livestock can be quarantined and destroyed no questions asked. blood testing is required for any animal sold or moved which can only be done with a certificate from the nat;l vet. office including ear tag number, farm and destination.

i know in thailand that almost no one gets a cert. blood test before they transfer or sell their stock unless maybe they are a super professional spread; i doubt most poor villagers do that, so anyone (animal wise) can move with any disease to any other area...

just came back from lecture from country wide specialist for herd management (sheep/goats) and this for us is the letter of the law: i recently had a doe give birth to a two week premature birth (one dead almost finished kid and one rotten fetus)... sent off automatically for testing....

when i was in thailand in the korat area i went to visit the guy that was raising goats (used to be on tis forum). he happened to live near my husband's village. he and his wife were very frustrated about the lack of vaccine/preventative med info/help from the amphur/changwat etc. i find it strange that thailand is a brucellosis free area; i would love to see info (in thai or eng) about that...

we discussed in the past hoof and mouth disease, and other caprine and ovine diseases but at least here the nat'l vet office are becoming stricter about things from blood testing for chlamydia to CAE and JOHNNE and other zoanoses and animal related diseases.

since brucellosis chlamydia can have such devastating effects on humans i am concerned about vaccine programs in thailand ...

ramdom, if they test and your cows come out positive (even if its a false positive), and u have sold some already, how do they trace them? etc....

my questions of course are theoretical since i am still here with the goats and not in thailand

Nobody said "thailand is a brucellosis free area". It is not free of brucellosis. It is for this reason that I always refused to allow any of my bulls to service neighbours' cows (or vice-versa).

I have never seen the amphur (local government district office) vet department offer brucellosis vaccine.

There is no procedure here for livestock tracing.

Bina, I can find no reference to "brucellosis chlamydia". I think you have confused this with the two individual diseases. The organism that affects bovines is brucella abortus. I've also just be reading info from the USA government: they too have no insistence on vaccination (though some states may). I also noted with interest that the vaccine is only 65% effective. I should say blood-testing during the good-practice quarantine period is more effective. An animal testing positive should be slaughtered rather than sold. The meat remains fit for human consumption.

Source: http://www.aphis.usda.gov/vs/nahps/brucellosis/

[bina]

LOFL of course chlamydia and bruc. are two different disease.... duh!!! just bad grammar since iw was tired while writing (its birthing season here and we take turns staying with the goats at night, since we also had break ins this past two weeks-- the muslem holiday last week ups the ante on goat/sheep rustling)....

chlamydia is also a zoonoses to humans and a cause for sterility among women; exposure thru placenta, milk, etc. there are mnay kinds of chlamydias : including a mild kind that my daughter had in her lungs but not the caprine kind... the avian kind is of course very zoonotic....but there is no vaccine only blood cultures etc.

yes, the US states have their own autonomous laws... israel has a nation wide law and we cannot vaccinate our own animals only the state: for five differnt diseases. on the other hand they dont test for CAE AND JOHNNES unfortunately... TB is no threat here

after telling a friend about my doe that aborted recently he got hysterical (he just finished a agri. course here and is now terrified of all diseases)....

i have a feeling that its done as a blanket protection measure since most small holdings wouldnt do blood checks etc... similar to thailand but then not sure why thailand wouldnt do blanket vaccines also for the same reason... i wonder how many women and men have had bruc. but died and not reported or id'd due to third world public health .

always curious...... btw, all our zoos also are required to do the same, and the zoos are by far more advanced than the average goat farm when it comes to vet/public health...

bina

[Khonwan]

LOFL of course chlamydia and bruc. are two different disease.... duh!!! just bad grammar since iw was tired while writing (its birthing season here and we take turns staying with the goats at night, since we also had break ins this past two weeks-- the muslem holiday last week ups the ante on goat/sheep rustling)....

chlamydia is also a zoonoses to humans and a cause for sterility among women; exposure thru placenta, milk, etc. there are mnay kinds of chlamydias : including a mild kind that my daughter had in her lungs but not the caprine kind... the avian kind is of course very zoonotic....but there is no vaccine only blood cultures etc.

yes, the US states have their own autonomous laws... israel has a nation wide law and we cannot vaccinate our own animals only the state: for five differnt diseases. on the other hand they dont test for CAE AND JOHNNES unfortunately... TB is no threat here

after telling a friend about my doe that aborted recently he got hysterical (he just finished a agri. course here and is now terrified of all diseases)....

i have a feeling that its done as a blanket protection measure since most small holdings wouldnt do blood checks etc... similar to thailand but then not sure why thailand wouldnt do blanket vaccines also for the same reason... i wonder how many women and men have had bruc. but died and not reported or id'd due to third world public health .

always curious...... btw, all our zoos also are required to do the same, and the zoos are by far more advanced than the average goat farm when it comes to vet/public health...

bina

Malta fever (being one name of the human form of the disease) is not normally (if ever?) fatal. The risk (with regards to bovines raised for beef) is for people who come into contact with reproductive discharges (abortions, placentas, etc) of infected beasts...and who then do not employ normal hygiene standards (wear gloves, washing hands with soap). I suspect that the incidence of brucellosis in Israel is much higher than in Thailand - it appears to be highly prevalent in your sheep and goat stocks.

[bina]

not fatal but very very not nice (men with oversized testes and other internal disorders, etc) mostly occurring in the 'other side' of israel (palestinian side) in their stock which is why i only buy from approved stock but apparently (according to our nasty county vet who has a thing about brucellosis) prevalent. bad to be blase about nasty zoonoses.

we also have rabies and hoof and mouth disease (i dont but it is also prevalent in certain areas)

show me a basic farmer of the old fashioned type here or in thailand that washes hands within three minute (teh time really needed) with real soap and water, short finger nails etc after sticking their hand up the wazoo of a goat or a cow or a buffalo.

my nails are clipped in birth season, we use nail brushes and polidine soap, but i am an hysterical american when it comes to these things.

the thai workers here like to cook with them or eat them raw.

"Brucellosis is a zoonotic bacterial disease, usually transmitted to humans via consumption of unpasteurized dairy products derived from infected animals (12). Brucellosis caused by B. melitensis is highly endemic in the Negev desert of southern Israel, especially among the seminomadic Bedouin population, which maintains herds of unvaccinated sheep and goats (1). During the early stages of the infection, brucellosis manifests as a febrile bacteremic disease (12). This phase is promptly followed by blood-borne dissemination of the organism and invasion of remote sites, such as the skeletal and hematopoietic systems, the liver, and the spleen (3, 12)."(Clin Microbiol. 2004 February; 42(2): 917–918.

doi: 10.1128/JCM.42.2.917-918.2004.)

thought u would be interested. since most of the people that are ill with this dont report abortions among their herds, why would a poor thai farmer report anything. not sure i would trust the blood checks either...

my husband has never even heard of this disease before and thought i was crazy about washing hands etc...

[Khonwan]

...thought i was crazy about washing hands etc...

And I'm an hysterical Scot when it comes to basic common sense hygiene. I agree that Thais scoff at this practice. I remember some doctor on TV years ago stating that soap is the best all-round "vaccine". I use Dettol after contact with livestock, in addition to normal soap at other times. I find it difficult, though, to get Thais to follow this simple regime. The local villagers here think washing with water alone (if even necessary) is sufficient.

[Waterbuffalofarm]

Thank you to all who support me,

by my visit in BKK last month (VIV Asia) I had a contact to a Thai Vet who is still working by a leading Pharmacie company.Now I know where I can take the Vaccine which I need.

FMD and Haemorrhagic vaccine is free by the THAI government.I ordered this by our Authority and few days later I took the FMD vaccine and started with the vaccination.

Bevor the raining season will begin now, I can take the vaccine for Haem.

Best regards

Waterbuffalo

[Maizefarmer]

WBF

The vacc you want is made in Pak Chong (which is where most vacc for Thai livestock is made and stored for national distrabution.)

To get any vacc or to find out where you can get it in your area - see below:

Phone: 044 - 311476 Fax: 044 - 315-931 Email: [email protected]

...and if you want to vacc for something - you do just that. Most comments were made against a cow/cattle background. The care of buffalo is very different.

MF