rooster59 Posted October 28, 2017 Share Posted October 28, 2017 Sacked Catalonia leader calls for opposition to Madrid's rule By Jesús Aguado and Sonya Dowsett Catalan President Carles Puigdemont gestures during a plenary session at the Catalan regional Parliament in Barcelona, Spain, October 27, 2017. REUTERS/Albert Gea MADRID/BARCELONA (Reuters) - Sacked Catalonian president Carles Puigdemont on Saturday called for peaceful "democratic opposition" to the central government's takeover of the region following its unilateral declaration of independence from Spain. Puigdemont, whose regional government was dismissed by Spanish Prime Minister Mariano Rajoy on Friday, accused Madrid of "premeditated aggression" against the will of the Catalans. Rajoy removed Puigdemont, took over the administration of the autonomous region and set a new election after Catalonia's parliament declared itself an independent nation on Friday. The bold if futile action brought Spain's worst political crisis in the four decades since the return of democracy to a new and possibly dangerous level. "It's very clear that the best form of defending the gains made up until now is democratic opposition to Article 155," Puigdemont said in a brief statement, referring to the constitutional trigger for the takeover. But he was vague on precisely what steps the secessionists would take as the national authorities are already moving into Barcelona and other parts of Catalonia to enforce the takeover. European countries, the United States and Mexico have also rejected the Catalan declaration and expressed support for Spain's unity. Puigdemont signed the statement as president of Catalonia, demonstrating he did not accept his ousting. "We continue persevering in the only attitude that can make us winners. Without violence, without insults, in an inclusive way, respecting people and symbols, opinions, and also respecting the protests of the Catalans who do not agree with what has decided the parliamentary majority," he said. The secessionists say a referendum on Oct. 1 gave them a mandate for independence. However, less than half of eligible voters turned out for the ballot, which Madrid declared illegal and tried to stop. Opinion polls show that more than half of the 5.3 million people eligible to vote in the wealthy northeastern region, which is already autonomous, do not want to break from Spain. But emotions are running high and the next few days will be tricky for Madrid as it embarks on enforcing direct rule. It is also unclear if the fresh new regional election set for Dec. 21 would resolve the crisis as it could increase the numbers of independence supporters in a new parliament. POSSIBLE CONFLICT In another development, Catalonia's police force told its officers to remain neutral, a step towards averting possible conflict following doubts over how the Mossos d'Esquadra, as the they are called, would respond if ordered to evict Puigdemont and his government. The force is riven by distrust between those for and against independence and is estranged from Spain's national police forces, Mossos and national officers have told Reuters. Some Catalan officers stood between national police and those trying to vote during the referendum. "Given that there is it is likely to be an increase in gatherings and rallies of citizens in all the territory and that there are people of different thoughts, we must remember that it is our responsibility to guarantee the security of all and help these to take place without incident," said the memo, which had no name attached to it. Government buildings, the headquarters of national political parties, ports, airports, courts, and the Bank of Spain were being guarded, the Interior Ministry said. Units of the regional force could be replaced if events made that necessary, it said. The Madrid government also sacked the Mossos' chief, Josep Lluis Trapero, Spain's official gazette announced on Saturday. Trapero became a hero to the secessionists after his force took a much softer stance than national police in enforcing the ban. Spain's High Court banned Trapero from leaving the country and seized his passport as part of an investigation for alleged sedition, although it did not order his arrest. Prosecutors say he failed to give orders to rescue national police trapped inside a Barcelona building during pro-independence protests last month. In Barcelona, thousands of independence supporters packed the Sant Jaume Square in front of the regional headquarters on Friday night, waving Catalan flags and singing traditional songs in the Catalan language as bands played. But there was no trouble overnight and the streets of Barcelona were quiet on Saturday. Emmanuel Torcal, a 52-year-old businessman walking his dog, said he was sympathetic to independence but worried about the escalation and possible consequences. "I sympathize but I have my life, my work, and this is affected. But I am Catalan and I say if we have to go, let's go." The main secessionist group, the Catalan National Assembly, has urged civil servants not to follow orders from the Spanish government and to mount "peaceful resistance" while a pro-independence trade union, the CSC, called a strike. The government said it would ensure a minimum service. MADRID SAYS VIVA ESPANA About 1,000 people took part in a pro-unity rally in Madrid on Saturday and others turned out in the northern city of Valladolid -- an indication of the resentment the independence drive has caused in the rest of Spain. Aitor Sanchez, a 30-year-old worker, said he was saddened the government had taken control of Catalonia but it had no choice. "These are delicate moments in our country. But I believe we must respect the law." The chaos has prompted a flight of business from Catalonia, which contributes about a fifth of Spain's economy, the fourth-largest in the euro zone. Tourism in hugely popular Barcelona has been hit, and markets have shown signs of concern. European leaders have also denounced the push, fearing it could fan separatist sentiment around the continent. Catalonia has a litany of historic grievances, exacerbated during the 1939-1975 Franco dictatorship, when its culture and politics were suppressed. -- © Copyright Reuters 2017-10-29 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rtr4 Posted October 29, 2017 Share Posted October 29, 2017 When Kosovo split from Serbia that was ok with Us and others but Catalonia not. Double standard from bunch of hypocrits Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hansnl Posted October 29, 2017 Share Posted October 29, 2017 I am afraid the Spanish government in it's heavy handed approach, supported by the weasel like fright of the EUrophiles, has opened an Europe wide can of worms that can only be closed, temporarily, with a lot of violence. To be continued. May freedom not be too costly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boomerangutang Posted October 29, 2017 Share Posted October 29, 2017 1 hour ago, rtr4 said: When Kosovo split from Serbia that was ok with Us and others but Catalonia not. Double standard from bunch of hypocrits Each situation is unique. Most people don't want Taiwan taken over by China. I've resided in various parts of Spain, including Madrid and Majorca (which I assume would be considered part of Catalonia). I'm far away now (and am not Spanish) but would like to see Spain remain Spain. BTW, Spanish and Mexican cuisine are my two favorites. On a side note: If I meet a Thai lady, and we're out on a first date, she will invariably ask me, with a smile; "do you like Thai food?" She fully expects me to smile back with an enthusiastic 'yes!' .....but instead, I wax honest, and tell her 'no.' Maybe that's why I never get beyond first dates. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grouse Posted October 29, 2017 Share Posted October 29, 2017 4 hours ago, hansnl said: I am afraid the Spanish government in it's heavy handed approach, supported by the weasel like fright of the EUrophiles, has opened an Europe wide can of worms that can only be closed, temporarily, with a lot of violence. To be continued. May freedom not be too costly. We'll be able to rely upon the Dutch to keep us all safe! (you brought up the Serbs, not I) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grouse Posted October 29, 2017 Share Posted October 29, 2017 I think calling an election is very smart Having a woman take over the reins temporarily is also smart That little twit should keep his head down but stand again in the election. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kiwiken Posted October 29, 2017 Share Posted October 29, 2017 A new election if free and fair and without pressure from Madrid would be good. But what if the result was the election of another or a stronger Independence minded Government for Catalonia. I think the next election there will have a much higher turnout but it is hard to know what the outcome will be. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JAG Posted October 29, 2017 Share Posted October 29, 2017 2 hours ago, Kiwiken said: A new election if free and fair and without pressure from Madrid would be good. But what if the result was the election of another or a stronger Independence minded Government for Catalonia. I think the next election there will have a much higher turnout but it is hard to know what the outcome will be. Cynics might suggest, following European, umh, precedents shall we say, they will just go on holding votes until they get the desired result! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Credo Posted October 29, 2017 Share Posted October 29, 2017 (edited) 11 hours ago, rtr4 said: When Kosovo split from Serbia that was ok with Us and others but Catalonia not. Double standard from bunch of hypocrits Catalonia has been a part of Spain for a very long time. The former Yugoslavia had already started breaking up. Serbia was an aggressor state in a warring region. Quite different situations. A little bit like Humpty-Dumpty. The general position is to support territorial integrity of countries, i.e., Iraq, however, the test comes when independence is achieved, whether or not they achieve recognition and from whom. I fail to see exactly what this topic has to do with the US, but I guess every chance to bash shouldn't be passed up by some posters. Edited October 29, 2017 by Credo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kiwiken Posted November 5, 2017 Share Posted November 5, 2017 On 10/29/2017 at 1:58 PM, JAG said: Cynics might suggest, following European, umh, precedents shall we say, they will just go on holding votes until they get the desired result! I hear what you say. Democracy by Gerrymander until the required result is obtained Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jayboy Posted November 8, 2017 Share Posted November 8, 2017 Mathew Paris in The Times 8/11/17 'Wholly unpersuaded of the case for independence, I still seethe. Does Madrid understand that behind bland official assurances of support, governments and peoples across Europe are horrified at the stiff-necked, jack-booted way the governing Partido Popular is handling this entirely resolvable dispute? Spain’s reputation for a successful transition from Franco to liberal democracy is in great peril.' Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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