Online records to follow ex-inmates throughout life

By The Nation

 

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Police will keep an online database of records of DNA samples and fingerprints of some 300,000 inmates nationwide as a preventive measure intended to discourage them from committing crimes again, senior officials said on Friday.

 

The plan was disclosed by Pol General Chalermkiart Srivorakhan, deputy police commissioner general, and Pol Colonel Narat Sawettanan, director general of the Corrections Department.

 

The two signed a memorandum of understanding on creating the online database of DNA samples and fingerprints of inmates.

 

Chalermkiart said the database will be completed within 2019 and it will be available to all relevant government agencies.

 

“The database will allow the authorities to identify suspects promptly and make prompt arrests if ex-inmates commit crimes again,” Chalermkiart said.

 

He expressed confidence that the measure would discourage ex-inmates from re-offending.

 

Narat said he has instructed all prisons nationwide to cooperate with the Metropolitan Police Bureau and nine provincial police bureaus around the country to collect DNA samples and fingerprints of over 300,000 inmates.

 

Narat said the Corrections Department was supposed to re-educate inmates to return them to society as good people, but with limited staff and resources they cannot widely achieve that goal.

 

As a result, the online database would be a lower-cost and systematic measure intended to prevent recidivism.

 

Source: http://www.nationmultimedia.com/detail/national/30331867

 

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wow. what a concept!

 

only 30-100 years behind the times.

 

fingerprints:

http://onin.com/fp/fphistory.html

 

DNA Testing:

http://content.time.com/time/nation/article/0,8599,1905706,00.html

Allow them to apply for pardons, so their records are sealed. Much easier to get employed.

13 minutes ago, Colabamumbai said:

Allow them to apply for pardons, so their records are sealed. Much easier to get employed.

Agreed. One mistake should not ruin the rest of their lives and society benefits when they can obtain gainful employment.

Re-educate could involve non reliance on amulets or orange robes to keep you out of the slammer if your skint.  

56 minutes ago, Ulysses G. said:

Agreed. One mistake should not ruin the rest of their lives and society benefits when they can obtain gainful employment.

 

Of course the severity of the crime should determine if they are eligible for a pardon.

 King Maha Vajiralongkorn pardoned nearly 150,000 prisoners in an unprecedented display of mercy, including some inmates jailed for insulting the royal family according to The Independant newspaper(13 December 2016)

 

I don't want a rapist or child molester as a housemaid thank you

 

1 hour ago, greatwhitenorth said:

 

Of course the severity of the crime should determine if they are eligible for a pardon.

 King Maha Vajiralongkorn pardoned nearly 150,000 prisoners in an unprecedented display of mercy, including some inmates jailed for insulting the royal family according to The Independant newspaper(13 December 2016)

 

I don't want a rapist or child molester as a housemaid thank you

 

Exactly.   Recidivism within a few years generally runs well over half.   If you commit a crime, the record of it following you for life is simply part of the price you pay.  And no, there's no human right or commandment written in stone that says "everyone is entitled to one mistake".   That's absolute rubbish and a recipe for violent anarchy.  "Choices have consequences" are much better words to live by.

 

 

Edited November 18, 20178 yr by hawker9000

I am not one, but a con is a con for life. What is this pussy thinking of oh dear, they eFed up. Be gentle with their fragile little butt holes and feelings. Tough they loose all rights in life, where I come from.

Commit the crime and cry for all time.

NO.

Snowflakes and padded sentiment are not forthcoming.

19 hours ago, webfact said:

Narat said the Corrections Department was supposed to re-educate inmates to return them to society as good people, but with limited staff and resources they cannot widely achieve that goal.

 

As a result, the online database would be a lower-cost and systematic measure intended to prevent recidivism.

So an admission that training programmes are not adequately funded and therefore offenders are more likely to offend. 

 

The carrot has failed so the prisoners are being reminded the stick is being prepared. 

 

While the carrot might not prevent reoffending the stick has a much lower chance of success. 

 

But, hey, it’s cheap. 

They can better chip them.... 

They're planning to do that with tourists so they can follow them with the GPS trackers in case a tourist got missing.

Edited November 18, 20178 yr by PAIBKK

46 minutes ago, Inepto Cracy said:

I am not one, but a con is a con for life. What is this pussy thinking of oh dear, they eFed up. Be gentle with their fragile little butt holes and feelings. Tough they loose all rights in life, where I come from.

Commit the crime and cry for all time.

NO.

Snowflakes and padded sentiment are not forthcoming.

Ridiculous.  I was no angel as a young guy.  I had my record expunged but still had to reveal everything to the Medical Board when I applied to sit for the State Boards. Fortunately no felonies but some pretty exciting misdemeanors.  "Commit the crime and cry for all time" fortunately that's not the system.  Been following the High crimes coming out of DC lately? $$$$$$$ pathetic.

 

The "Big" criminals, like the banks, "Are to big to fail.  No snowflake here...

45 minutes ago, Bluespunk said:

So an admission that training programmes are not adequately funded and therefore offenders are more likely to offend. 

 

The carrot has failed so the prisoners are being reminded the stick is being prepared. 

 

While the carrot might not prevent reoffending the stick has a much lower chance of success. 

 

But, hey, it’s cheap. 

 

I would rather see the money spent on the aged and disabled.  The grannies that stand at a 90 degree angle aren t offered a carrot.

 

  What possible carrot do you hang in front of a rapist or a murderer? The drunk driver or the yaba dealer?

 

Thailand is not a rich country, why spend money on the lowest of the low if you can t take care of the vulnerable?

The 'Evil man from Krabi' springs to mind 

45 minutes ago, greatwhitenorth said:

 

I would rather see the money spent on the aged and disabled.  The grannies that stand at a 90 degree angle aren t offered a carrot.

 

  What possible carrot do you hang in front of a rapist or a murderer? The drunk driver or the yaba dealer?

 

Thailand is not a rich country, why spend money on the lowest of the low if you can t take care of the vulnerable?

The best way to prevent crime is to give the criminals alternative choices and a chance to reform. 

 

Doesn’t work with all I know, hence the stick, but any society not doing so is storing up trouble for itself. 

 

I’m all for people being incarcerated for their crimes, but I also believe they have to be offered alternative future when they leave. 

 

Personally I would direct these programmes towards those offenders who have committed crimes for financial gain. I include low level drug dealers here. 

 

I have no sympathy for their criminal behaviour, however there is a better chance of them succeeding in life if they have an alternative means of making money. 

 

Rapists and violent offenders obviously need a different approach. Their issues are more psychological and they need professional support.

 

That isn’t happening here and these offenders are being released into society and many reoffend. I regard rapists as scum and I have no sympathy for them but I would rather an attempt was made to help them change their behaviour, rather than just collecting dna (though this has to be done), so they can be caught if they reoffend.

 

Not sure this happens anywhere though. Not effectively anyway.

 

Maybe just lock them up and throw away the key is a better plan than collecting dna. Harsh enough for you?

 

Drink drivers? 

 

Life time ban and all those applying for licence required to submit to dna test to ensure no one in database gets a licence. Any caught driving while banned to be gaoled for 25 years. Harsh enough for you?  

 

Murderers? Gaol then for so long they are too feeble to harm anyone on release. 

Not all above is realistic or doable or even the right thing to do.

 

However neither is just collecting dna because it’s cheaper. 

Edited November 18, 20178 yr by Bluespunk

And will soon institute international money transfers to "lose" the records

On 18/11/2017 at 10:42 AM, Inepto Cracy said:

I am not one, but a con is a con for life. What is this pussy thinking of oh dear, they eFed up. Be gentle with their fragile little butt holes and feelings. Tough they loose all rights in life, where I come from.

Commit the crime and cry for all time.

NO.

Snowflakes and padded sentiment are not forthcoming.

 

There is a direct correlation between poor prison conditions and reoffending rate, the countries with the lowest rates of reoffender have the best prison conditions, so you may care to ask yourself what it is that you actually desire, less reoffenders or revenge.

On 18/11/2017 at 11:20 AM, PAIBKK said:

They can better chip them.... 

They're planning to do that with tourists so they can follow them with the GPS trackers in case a tourist got missing.

 

A surgically placed chip? and why could it not just be surgically removed again?

So now the police will keep records on criminals !?!..Great news and nice to know....but isn't that  something police is supposed to have in the first place ??!...

 

..and does it mean that no records were kept till now ?!!

9 minutes ago, observer90210 said:

So now the police will keep records on criminals !?!..Great news and nice to know....but isn't that  something police is supposed to have in the first place ??!...

 

..and does it mean that no records were kept till now ?!!

 

Online?

I can guarantee this is a boondoggle.

 

 

On 11/18/2017 at 12:43 PM, Bluespunk said:

The best way to prevent crime is to give the criminals alternative choices and a chance to reform. 

 

Doesn’t work with all I know, hence the stick, but any society not doing so is storing up trouble for itself. 

 

I’m all for people being incarcerated for their crimes, but I also believe they have to be offered alternative future when they leave. 

 

Personally I would direct these programmes towards those offenders who have committed crimes for financial gain. I include low level drug dealers here. 

 

I have no sympathy for their criminal behaviour, however there is a better chance of them succeeding in life if they have an alternative means of making money. 

 

Rapists and violent offenders obviously need a different approach. Their issues are more psychological and they need professional support.

 

That isn’t happening here and these offenders are being released into society and many reoffend. I regard rapists as scum and I have no sympathy for them but I would rather an attempt was made to help them change their behaviour, rather than just collecting dna (though this has to be done), so they can be caught if they reoffend.

 

Not sure this happens anywhere though. Not effectively anyway.

 

Maybe just lock them up and throw away the key is a better plan than collecting dna. Harsh enough for you?

 

Drink drivers? 

 

Life time ban and all those applying for licence required to submit to dna test to ensure no one in database gets a licence. Any caught driving while banned to be gaoled for 25 years. Harsh enough for you?  

 

Murderers? Gaol then for so long they are too feeble to harm anyone on release. 

Not all above is realistic or doable or even the right thing to do.

 

However neither is just collecting dna because it’s cheaper. 

So I'm gathering, hypothetically and God forbid, if someone raped your, lets say 10 year old daughter.  Your response would be to rehabilitate them with professional support?

6 minutes ago, joeyg said:

So I'm gathering, hypothetically and God forbid, if someone raped your, lets say 10 year old daughter.  Your response would be to rehabilitate them with professional support?

Did you read this part of my post...

 

"That isn’t happening here and these offenders are being released into society and many reoffend. I regard rapists as scum and I have no sympathy for them but I would rather an attempt was made to help them change their behaviour, rather than just collecting dna (though this has to be done), so they can be caught if they re offend.

 

Not sure this happens anywhere though. Not effectively anyway.

 

Maybe just lock them up and throw away the key is a better plan than collecting dna."

 

I have no sympathy for rapist or pedophile scum , but if they are to be released I would rather they had some sort of treatment to help them not re offend.

 

Collecting this type of filth's dna will not prevent re offending.

 

What I would do to them is another matter.

 

But luckily for such scum, I am not the one who decides their fate...

Edited November 22, 20178 yr by Bluespunk

2 hours ago, Bluespunk said:

Did you read this part of my post...

 

"That isn’t happening here and these offenders are being released into society and many reoffend. I regard rapists as scum and I have no sympathy for them but I would rather an attempt was made to help them change their behaviour, rather than just collecting dna (though this has to be done), so they can be caught if they re offend.

 

Not sure this happens anywhere though. Not effectively anyway.

 

Maybe just lock them up and throw away the key is a better plan than collecting dna."

 

I have no sympathy for rapist or pedophile scum , but if they are to be released I would rather they had some sort of treatment to help them not re offend.

 

Collecting this type of filth's dna will not prevent re offending.

 

What I would do to them is another matter.

 

But luckily for such scum, I am not the one who decides their fate...

Ok so it sounds as though would execute them as it should  be.  Very good I salute you

11 hours ago, Bluespunk said:

Did you read this part of my post...

 

"That isn’t happening here and these offenders are being released into society and many reoffend. I regard rapists as scum and I have no sympathy for them but I would rather an attempt was made to help them change their behaviour, rather than just collecting dna (though this has to be done), so they can be caught if they re offend.

 

Not sure this happens anywhere though. Not effectively anyway.

 

Maybe just lock them up and throw away the key is a better plan than collecting dna."

 

I have no sympathy for rapist or pedophile scum , but if they are to be released I would rather they had some sort of treatment to help them not re offend.

 

Collecting this type of filth's dna will not prevent re offending.

 

What I would do to them is another matter.

 

But luckily for such scum, I am not the one who decides their fate...

I did read it but didn't exactly get your drift.  For me, if some ghastly rape was perpetrated on my daughter, I would deal out justice personally,  myself or with a "contractor."

the best way to prevent crime would be mandatory birth control until you meet three conditions (i) married, (ii) a job that pays above the poverty rate, and (iii) completing secondary school.  tough, but it would have a far greater effect than all these other namby pamby policies.

Just now, OldSiamHand said:

the best way to prevent crime would be mandatory birth control until you meet three conditions (i) married, (ii) a job that pays above the poverty rate, and (iii) completing secondary school.  tough, but it would have a far greater effect than all these other namby pamby policies.

How does madatory BC stop rape?