Thailand may collect tolls on foreign automobiles entering the country when the region become a single market

[lvr181]

17 hours ago, smedly said:

I pondered over this topic for about 5mins trying to think of something sensible to say about this

 

 

and couldn't

I did think of 'something' to say............Government just wants to collect the money off drivers before they become another Thai road trauma statistic! 

 

Yet another 'face saving' diversion from not addressing (because they have no ideas or no will) what most modern people would consider a real problem i.e. the terrible road toll in the Kingdom.

[Sydebolle]

In the context of ASEAN - perfect! No need to watch their own countrymen but keep a weather lifting eye on all those Alien roaming the Thai roads. 

It proves, once more again, that ASEAN in general and AEC2015 in particular is not worth the paper once it comes to free movement of people. I am a frequent overland traveller, the paperwork for getting into Laos consists of an International Transport Permit, a duplicate "Information on Conveyance", a "Crew List" and a "Passenger Manifest" - apart from the original blue book. All this to be completed and three sets of photocopies to be provided. It is not possible to legally enter Cambodia, Vietnam and Myanmar has its own procedure on the issue. 

Cargo from Thailand to Siem Reap (Cambodia, near Angkor Wat) needs to be offloaded from the Thai truck and loaded onto a Cambodian registered truck - the stories are endless! 

[Jimdandy]

Maybe they could spend some of that money on reducing traffic fatalities.

[Airbagwill]

Yet another Nabob emerges for his ablutions with an "idea" - no research, not though through, no previous experiences cited, np thpought given to how it would be implemented.

 

This is totally contrary to the aims of the free market which is based on the free flow of goods and traffic...this will just replace one line of traffic with another as people wait to pay tolls and receive their GPS.

 

Of course it will allow officials to stop people and collect money off them........a procedure in Thailand that has been well documented as open to o riddled with corruption.

Edited November 29, 2017 by Airbagwill

[PAIBKK]

You alien, you pay !!!

[Jonmarleesco]

'Projections are that local and foreign vehicle traffic will exceed 14 million/year which will result in high maintenance and repair costs for the Thai road network ...'

 

Only if money is actually spent on maintaining and repairing them.

[Kolantaman]

 

Fees needed are:

1) enter Thailand as a single foreign male over 18 years of age, pay a 8,000baht fee. Ladies over 18 pay a fee of 6,000baht. Funds go to undergrounding utilities and building state of the art sewer infrastructure and treatment plants and to provide social security fund.

2) get cought seeking sex trade activities, pay 300,000baht fee go to putting thai children through university and provide seed miney for Thai social security system and black listed from ever entering Thailand again for 5 to 10 years. Not able to pay the fee then blacklisted from ever entering thailand again= lifetime ban.

3) drunk in public fee of 30,000baht for all foreigners, fee to go to orphanages schooling, mass transit, acquiring additional national park lands. Lose right to enter Thailand for 3 years.

4) foreigners affiliated with organized crime, 20 years in Thailand jail or pay 15 million baht fine and lose right to ever enter Thailand.

5) cought selling or importing/exporting drugs, forfeit entry rights forever, 7 million baht fine, unable to pay fine equals 1 million baht reduction for each year served in a thai jail under good behavior.

6) entering Thailand, for all foreigners with criminal records consisting of felony charges including rape, murder, child pornography, embezzlement, physical assault, hit and run, domestic violence, non payment of more than 2 months of child support, bank fraud, car theft, is immediate ticket home. 

7) disrespect thai culture in a flagrant manner is expulsion from Thailand for 10 years minimum up to a maximum to life depending on level of flagrantcy. 

 

Am sick of seeing foreigners in Thailand doing all of the above, especially the sex addicts, and rude Russian and Germans fighting. You are ruining Thai culture.

[Airbagwill]

1 minute ago, Kolantaman said:

 

Fees needed are:

1) enter Thailand as a single foreign male over 18 years of age, pay a 8,000baht fee. Ladies over 18 pay a fee of 6,000baht. Funds go to undergrounding utilities and building state of the art sewer infrastructure and treatment plants and to provide social security fund.

2) get cought seeking sex trade activities, pay 300,000baht fee go to putting thai children through university and provide seed miney for Thai social security system and black listed from ever entering Thailand again for 5 to 10 years. Not able to pay the fee then blacklisted from ever entering thailand again= lifetime ban.

3) drunk in public fee of 30,000baht for all foreigners, fee to go to orphanages schooling, mass transit, acquiring additional national park lands. Lose right to enter Thailand for 3 years.

4) foreigners affiliated with organized crime, 20 years in Thailand jail or pay 15 million baht fine and lose right to ever enter Thailand.

5) cought selling or importing/exporting drugs, forfeit entry rights forever, 7 million baht fine, unable to pay fine equals 1 million baht reduction for each year served in a thai jail under good behavior.

6) entering Thailand, for all foreigners with criminal records consisting of felony charges including rape, murder, child pornography, embezzlement, physical assault, hit and run, domestic violence, non payment of more than 2 months of child support, bank fraud, car theft, is immediate ticket home. 

7) disrespect thai culture in a flagrant manner is expulsion from Thailand for 10 years minimum up to a maximum to life depending on level of flagrantcy. 

 

Am sick of seeing foreigners in Thailand doing all of the above, especially the sex addicts, and rude Russian and Germans fighting. You are ruining Thai culture.

Anyone using the word "culture" like this clearly doesn't understand the word, but it is convenient to promulgate prejudices.

 

BTW - has this poster costed these fines - e.g. how much will be raised and who will handle the money and see that iti is correctly distributed to his/her chosen causes?

[Airbagwill]

1 hour ago, Jonmarleesco said:

'Projections are that local and foreign vehicle traffic will exceed 14 million/year which will result in high maintenance and repair costs for the Thai road network ...'

 

Only if money is actually spent on maintaining and repairing them.

"Projections"? - worked out on the back of a cigarette packet??

fpr a further example of un-costed policy proposals, see above!

Edited November 29, 2017 by Airbagwill

[RichardColeman]

Like to see the ratio of foreign driver accidents per population to good old Thai drivers

[Airbagwill]

17 minutes ago, RichardColeman said:

Like to see the ratio of foreign driver accidents per population to good old Thai drivers

Be careful what you ask for.

In Chonburi and Rayong, which allegedly has the highest risk of death, there is also the highest preponderance of foreign "drivers"

 

you also use the word "drivers" - which I presume means you are referring to 4 wheeled vehicles, where Thailand has a similar death rate to th USA.

[ZAKY]

To collect toll from foreign cars ; that’s fine if in exchange of a updated International  traffic code? 

[KKr]

On 11/28/2017 at 4:02 PM, jonclark said:

1.5 baht per kilometer - isn't that the rate you get charged in a taxi after the 37 baht fee?  So your car becomes a personal taxi meter once you enter Thailand?? Wonder if it charges at 2 baht a minute when stuck in traffic like a taxi also? 

 

I will be very surprised if this ever works - installing GPS on cars entering the country - I mean most of the CCTV cameras don't work and that is pretty basic tech in a stationary object a, so i cannot see something more complex and highly mobile getting very far. 

 

500 baht for bring a car in job done - why make it needlessly complex and expensive to set up. A one off fee requires minimal investment in administration and paperwork and is much more efficient. 

 

absolutely ! 
In Europe, not so long ago and if my memory does not err me, we were buying temporary road tax certificates at the Swiss border 
Nobody complained, except truckers who had a choice to use fast and safe roads, or to drive around the country.

Edited November 29, 2017 by KKr

[Dumbastheycome]

18 hours ago, thaibeachlovers said:

I think the ultimate objective will indeed be that all falang have to be tracked. Given that most have a smart phone it's already happening anyway, so no difference being tracked by the Thais as well. Then they can tell if they can fine us for staying somewhere other than our residence without doing TM30- gonna make billions of baht on that one .

There  seems  to be some  holes  in that plan  via  sim  cards. Bought a  new  sim  card here  in a  mall in Korat  3  days  back.  50  Bht. Choice  of  numbers.  Khp  khun. No  ID asked  for or  any questions  at  all.

[KKr]

8 hours ago, overherebc said:

I only remember a few in the Hanover area in the 70's. They were folded up from the middle so they were like the top half of a circle. I was told at the time they could be be unfolded to show temporary restrictions on that particular road

Think they got folded down when the Dutch holiday makers, famed for driving in the left lane, came with their caravans, and for road maintenance works.

[Russell17au]

  On 28/11/2017 at 4:00 PM, Bluespunk said:

"In the second phase, between the fourth and seventh years of implementation, Wilairat said a GPS system would be installed on foreign vehicles to track their locations and routes."

Is that a foreign car which is owned by a Thai or is it a foreigner's car which is a locally bought car

18 hours ago, thaibeachlovers said:

Then they can tell if they can fine us for staying somewhere other than our residence without doing TM30- gonna make billions of baht on that one

This is not our problem this belongs to the house-master/hotel/condo, we only need to report to the local police station or do a TM28 which does not carry a fine

 

[Kieran00001]

On 28/11/2017 at 6:10 PM, evadgib said:

If Thailand were to slim this down a bit and impose a ban or crippling toll on all non resident private vehicles heading for any of the Islands for Christmas, NY or Songkran per annum the people that actually live there might occasionally make it into top gear while heading to Tescos etc instead of emulating the M25 on a bank holiday w/e.

 

Im sure all the people who live on the islands and actually work or own businesses would just love your idea, it's not like they are financially dependent on the few busy weeks of the year, is it?

[waders123]

13 hours ago, Kolantaman said:

 

Fees needed are:

1) enter Thailand as a single foreign male over 18 years of age, pay a 8,000baht fee. Ladies over 18 pay a fee of 6,000baht. Funds go to undergrounding utilities and building state of the art sewer infrastructure and treatment plants and to provide social security fund.

2) get cought seeking sex trade activities, pay 300,000baht fee go to putting thai children through university and provide seed miney for Thai social security system and black listed from ever entering Thailand again for 5 to 10 years. Not able to pay the fee then blacklisted from ever entering thailand again= lifetime ban.

3) drunk in public fee of 30,000baht for all foreigners, fee to go to orphanages schooling, mass transit, acquiring additional national park lands. Lose right to enter Thailand for 3 years.

4) foreigners affiliated with organized crime, 20 years in Thailand jail or pay 15 million baht fine and lose right to ever enter Thailand.

5) cought selling or importing/exporting drugs, forfeit entry rights forever, 7 million baht fine, unable to pay fine equals 1 million baht reduction for each year served in a thai jail under good behavior.

6) entering Thailand, for all foreigners with criminal records consisting of felony charges including rape, murder, child pornography, embezzlement, physical assault, hit and run, domestic violence, non payment of more than 2 months of child support, bank fraud, car theft, is immediate ticket home. 

7) disrespect thai culture in a flagrant manner is expulsion from Thailand for 10 years minimum up to a maximum to life depending on level of flagrantcy. 

 

Am sick of seeing foreigners in Thailand doing all of the above, especially the sex addicts, and rude Russian and Germans fighting. You are ruining Thai culture.

I get that you would like to see Thailand be as it was, say 50 years ago, however, the reality is if these "rules" are implemented you would see a mass exit of foreigners and an almost complete halt of incoming tourists.  The economy would tank and what is in place would crumble.  Everyone, ( except possibly the wealthy), would fall on hard times which nobody has seen in their lifetimes.  In other words, Thailand could fall into such chaos that even the military couldn't keep control of law and order.   It has taken a long time to get to this stage; you can't change the rules abruptly without major consequences ensuing. 

[Kieran00001]

19 hours ago, Kolantaman said:

 

Fees needed are:

1) enter Thailand as a single foreign male over 18 years of age, pay a 8,000baht fee. Ladies over 18 pay a fee of 6,000baht. Funds go to undergrounding utilities and building state of the art sewer infrastructure and treatment plants and to provide social security fund.

2) get cought seeking sex trade activities, pay 300,000baht fee go to putting thai children through university and provide seed miney for Thai social security system and black listed from ever entering Thailand again for 5 to 10 years. Not able to pay the fee then blacklisted from ever entering thailand again= lifetime ban.

3) drunk in public fee of 30,000baht for all foreigners, fee to go to orphanages schooling, mass transit, acquiring additional national park lands. Lose right to enter Thailand for 3 years.

4) foreigners affiliated with organized crime, 20 years in Thailand jail or pay 15 million baht fine and lose right to ever enter Thailand.

5) cought selling or importing/exporting drugs, forfeit entry rights forever, 7 million baht fine, unable to pay fine equals 1 million baht reduction for each year served in a thai jail under good behavior.

6) entering Thailand, for all foreigners with criminal records consisting of felony charges including rape, murder, child pornography, embezzlement, physical assault, hit and run, domestic violence, non payment of more than 2 months of child support, bank fraud, car theft, is immediate ticket home. 

7) disrespect thai culture in a flagrant manner is expulsion from Thailand for 10 years minimum up to a maximum to life depending on level of flagrantcy. 

 

Am sick of seeing foreigners in Thailand doing all of the above, especially the sex addicts, and rude Russian and Germans fighting. You are ruining Thai culture.

 

A fee is a payment made for a service or right, you have listed 4 fines and 2 reasons to revoke a visa and just put them under the heading, "fees", do try to stay on topic.  As for your first suggestion, which is the only fee in the list, would that make Thailand the country with the most expensive tourist visa in the world?

[HHTel]

People here overwhelmingly seem to think this is another dig at farangs, i.e. expats and tourists from the west.  Farangs driving a car over the border into Thailand will be a rare event in comparison.  The majority, of course, will be from neighbouring countries, Malaysia, Laos, Myanmar, Cambodia .........

 

 

[Airbagwill]

On 29/11/2017 at 4:02 PM, KKr said:

absolutely ! 
In Europe, not so long ago and if my memory does not err me, we were buying temporary road tax certificates at the Swiss border 
Nobody complained, except truckers who had a choice to use fast and safe roads, or to drive around the country.

Not truckers, transport companies  and Switzerland is outside the EU....What happened to that system?

[Aj Mick]

On 11/28/2017 at 3:58 PM, Bluespunk said:

Pesky foreign cars...

Should collect a toll on pesky foreigners' shoes for wear and tear to footpaths.

[thaibeachlovers]

On ‎11‎/‎28‎/‎2017 at 4:02 PM, jonclark said:

 

 

500 baht for bring a car in job done - why make it needlessly complex and expensive to set up. A one off fee requires minimal investment in administration and paperwork and is much more efficient. 

 

It's not just the money-there is another component to this scenario. Think about it!

 

[thaibeachlovers]

On ‎11‎/‎29‎/‎2017 at 12:17 PM, Kolantaman said:

 

Fees needed are:

1) enter Thailand as a single foreign male over 18 years of age, pay a 8,000baht fee. Ladies over 18 pay a fee of 6,000baht. Funds go to undergrounding utilities and building state of the art sewer infrastructure and treatment plants and to provide social security fund.

2) get cought seeking sex trade activities, pay 300,000baht fee go to putting thai children through university and provide seed miney for Thai social security system and black listed from ever entering Thailand again for 5 to 10 years. Not able to pay the fee then blacklisted from ever entering thailand again= lifetime ban.

3) drunk in public fee of 30,000baht for all foreigners, fee to go to orphanages schooling, mass transit, acquiring additional national park lands. Lose right to enter Thailand for 3 years.

4) foreigners affiliated with organized crime, 20 years in Thailand jail or pay 15 million baht fine and lose right to ever enter Thailand.

5) cought selling or importing/exporting drugs, forfeit entry rights forever, 7 million baht fine, unable to pay fine equals 1 million baht reduction for each year served in a thai jail under good behavior.

6) entering Thailand, for all foreigners with criminal records consisting of felony charges including rape, murder, child pornography, embezzlement, physical assault, hit and run, domestic violence, non payment of more than 2 months of child support, bank fraud, car theft, is immediate ticket home. 

7) disrespect thai culture in a flagrant manner is expulsion from Thailand for 10 years minimum up to a maximum to life depending on level of flagrantcy. 

 

Am sick of seeing foreigners in Thailand doing all of the above, especially the sex addicts, and rude Russian and Germans fighting. You are ruining Thai culture.

You have, IMO, absolutely zero idea of what Thai culture is and it is probably the antithesis of what you believe.

Also, given you wrote nothing about the OP in your hate filled post, you are .

 

PS. why should visitors be required to subsidised the Thai sewerage infrastructure at a cost of 6 to 8 thousand baht per non married tourist?

[thaibeachlovers]

On ‎11‎/‎29‎/‎2017 at 4:33 PM, Russell17au said:

 

18 hours ago, thaibeachlovers said:

Then they can tell if they can fine us for staying somewhere other than our residence without doing TM30- gonna make billions of baht on that one

This is not our problem this belongs to the house-master/hotel/condo, we only need to report to the local police station or do a TM28 which does not carry a fine

 

In theory. In practice who ends up paying the fine for not doing a TM30?

[thaibeachlovers]

On ‎11‎/‎29‎/‎2017 at 4:14 PM, Dumbastheycome said:

There  seems  to be some  holes  in that plan  via  sim  cards. Bought a  new  sim  card here  in a  mall in Korat  3  days  back.  50  Bht. Choice  of  numbers.  Khp  khun. No  ID asked  for or  any questions  at  all.

Then they are breaking the law. Every time I buy a new sim in LOS I have to produce my passport.

[mikiea]

On 11/28/2017 at 2:26 PM, Chang_paarp said:

Hope they realise that these tolls can work in both directions if the various ASEAN treaties allow.

huh ...? the asean treaties are meant to encourage free trade and cooperation among each other . this is the birth of a future scam ....i doubt any taxes will be paid because the thai government lacks the any  understanding of the way things operate in the real world ......

[mikiea]

1 hour ago, thaibeachlovers said:

Then they are breaking the law. Every time I buy a new sim in LOS I have to produce my passport.

well then that says what about you ?

 

[bristolgeoff]

I thought tolls are on every car if you use the toll ways




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