Violent crime rises in Germany and is attributed to refugees

[oldhippy]

3 minutes ago, DILLIGAD said:

(Unfortunately ) including The Lord Major of London (Istan)


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You liked his predecessor more I guess?

[DILLIGAD]

You liked his predecessor more I guess?

Or the one before that!!


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[thaibeachlovers]

1 hour ago, DILLIGAD said:

Good point but to where?
Most ditch their passports for exactly that reason.


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To the country they came from. 

[oldhippy]

4 minutes ago, roobaa01 said:

german links as sources are not permitted acc. to forum rules.

 

wbr

roobaa01

Surely you mean "links in German"?

Anyway, the link is still there, so educate yourself a little.

 

[dick dasterdly]

27 minutes ago, simple1 said:

One assumes you know the definition of a 'refugee'. From the OP it indicates 90% of the 10% rise in violent crime for the period of the report is committed by so called 'economic refugees' i.e. rejected asylum seekers in Germany. Reports also indicate a fair amount of the violence is actually between asylum seekers.

 

It noted, however, that migrants settling from war-torn countries such as Syria were much less likely to commit violent crimes that those from other places who were unlikely to be given asylum.

 

Your question on which countries Germany has finalised government to government agreements for the return of deportees is available via Google.

 

Below is a search for you on another matter regards those scheduled for deportation.

 

"As German police attempt to deport refugees, hundreds of churches are trying to shelter them"

EXACTLY!  Way too many 'refugees' are actually nothing of the sort, and those claiming refugee status are immediately allowed entry....

 

If they commit crimes thereafter and are caught, no problem, just (possibly time in jail) and they are still allowed to remain in the country....

 

Edit - and yes, I'm perfectly capable of making the distinction between genuine refugees, and economic migrants....

[DILLIGAD]

To the country they came from. 

Do you mean as in ‘The United States of Europe’?


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[thaibeachlovers]

21 minutes ago, simple1 said:

Please provide verification of your claims, which so far you never do so. However, a counter claim from Jewish media...

 

Germany’s parliament voted to establish a commissioner to deal with anti-Semitism in the country. Four mainstream parties endorsed the proposal, which noted that while most anti-Semitic crime in Germany is attributable to the far right, there are increased concerns about anti-Semitism among recent refugees and migrants from the Middle East and North Africa.

 

https://www.jta.org/2018/01/18/news-opinion/world/germany-to-bring-in-an-anti-semitism-monitor

I would put Muslims in the "far right' category. They oppose abortion, homosexuality, and sex outside marriage. They also support heavy penalties for criminals.

All right wing policies.

[thaibeachlovers]

4 minutes ago, DILLIGAD said:

Do you mean as in ‘The United States of Europe’?


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I mean if they left the shores of Libya in a leaky boat to get to Europe, they should be deported to Libya, albeit in a better boat, or by air. 

Libya let them in, in the first place, so it's their problem what to do with them when deported.

[simple1]

Just now, dick dasterdly said:

EXACTLY!  Way too many 'refugees' are actually nothing of the sort, and those claiming refugee status are immediately allowed entry....

 

If they commit crimes thereafter and are caught, no problem, just (possibly time in jail) and they are still allowed to remain in the country....

Under International Convention, which Germany subscribes to, asylum seekers seeking refugee status are permitted to enter in order to verify their claims. Germany deports those who are assessed as illegal i.e. economic refugees/don't meet criteria, though it's obvious at this stage Germany has insufficient resources / enacted international agreements to be truly effective

[thaibeachlovers]

1 minute ago, simple1 said:

Under International Convention, which Germany subscribes to, asylum seekers seeking refugee status are permitted to enter in order to verify their claims. Germany deports those who are assessed as illegal i.e. economic refugees/don't meet criteria, though it's obvious at this stage Germany has insufficient resources / enacted international agreements to be truly effective

Germany doesn't have to verify anyone unless they arrived by plane. They could just insist that the country they crossed to get to Germany keeps them. Far as I know, the first safe country is the only one obliged to take refugees.

[simple1]

4 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said:

I would put Muslims in the "far right' category. They oppose abortion, homosexuality, and sex outside marriage. They also support heavy penalties for criminals.

All right wing policies.

You may well be on the opinion, but it's obvious to whom the reports refers and it ain't Muslims, nor are all Muslims of the same beliefs e.g. I have known gay Muslims, Muslims having sex outside of marriage etc etc

[simple1]

Just now, thaibeachlovers said:

Far as I know, the first safe country is the only one obliged to take refugees.

Incorrect

[thaibeachlovers]

5 minutes ago, simple1 said:

Incorrect

How many refugees are the Faroe Islands or Greenland taking then?

NB they are part of Denmark which is an EU member.

[oldhippy]

I see no point in differentiating between "real" refugees and "economic" refugees.

 

Already way back in the 60s and 70s many people realised that a rich Europe next door to the extreme poverty of Africa would be a source of endless problems.

But nothing was done.

 

Now those poor people have Television and internet.

They are now all well aware of the difference in life between both continents.

What do you expect them to do? Suffer with dignity?

What would you do if you lived overthere?

 

 

 

 

 

[thaibeachlovers]

2 minutes ago, oldhippy said:

I see no point in differentiating between "real" refugees and "economic" refugees.

 

Already way back in the 60s and 70s many people realised that a rich Europe next door to the extreme poverty of Africa would be a source of endless problems.

But nothing was done.

 

Now those poor people have Television and internet.

They are now all well aware of the difference in life between both continents.

What do you expect them to do? Suffer with dignity?

What would you do if you lived overthere?

 

 

 

 

 

I know what I'd do, but I can't say it on here.

What I wouldn't do is abandon my family and pay evil men to take me to another country because I thought I'd get a load of stuff there.

[dick dasterdly]

1 minute ago, simple1 said:

Under International Convention, which Germany subscribes to, asylum seekers seeking refugee status are permitted to enter in order to verify their claims. Germany deports those who are assessed as illegal i.e. economic refugees/don't meet criteria, though it's obvious at this stage Germany has insufficient resources / enacted international agreements to be truly effective

And that's why this has turned into a huge issue.

 

Resources in wealthy EU countries are still for some reason entirely inadequate to differentiate genuine refugees from the rest.  So for some reason they've allowed to let anyone claiming to be a refugee in to the countries - and are then shocked when a large proportion abscond and commit crimes!  And still won't be returned to their own countries......

[dick dasterdly]

15 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said:

Germany doesn't have to verify anyone unless they arrived by plane. They could just insist that the country they crossed to get to Germany keeps them. Far as I know, the first safe country is the only one obliged to take refugees.

Quite.  'First, safe country' is for some reason, irrelevant nowadays.... 

[dick dasterdly]

19 minutes ago, oldhippy said:

I see no point in differentiating between "real" refugees and "economic" refugees.

 

Already way back in the 60s and 70s many people realised that a rich Europe next door to the extreme poverty of Africa would be a source of endless problems.

But nothing was done.

 

Now those poor people have Television and internet.

They are now all well aware of the difference in life between both continents.

What do you expect them to do? Suffer with dignity?

What would you do if you lived overthere?

 

 

 

 

 

" I see no point in differentiating between "real" refugees and "economic" refugees."

 

And this post sums up quite well the difference in opinion....

[Ron19]

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[oldhippy]

12 minutes ago, dick dasterdly said:

" I see no point in differentiating between "real" refugees and "economic" refugees."

 

And this post sums up quite well the difference in opinion....

You took the easy way out, and reacted only to my first line.

What's your opinion about the rest of my post?

 

[simple1]

21 minutes ago, dick dasterdly said:

Quite.  'First, safe country' is for some reason, irrelevant nowadays.... 

Never was, look it up - a hint...

 

Neither the 1951 Refugee Convention nor EU law requires a refugee to claim asylum in one country rather than another. There is no rule requiring refugees to claim in the first safe country in which they arrive.

[thaibeachlovers]

9 minutes ago, simple1 said:

Never was, look it up - a hint...

 

Neither the 1951 Refugee Convention nor EU law requires a refugee to claim asylum in one country rather than another. There is no rule requiring refugees to claim in the first safe country in which they arrive.

Is there a rule which states countries HAVE to take refugees country "shopping"?

[Kieran00001]

On 1/4/2018 at 9:24 AM, tifino said:

 

 

... was visiting through Hamburg back in 2015, and didn't see any refugees... only these only able bodied trouble makers

 

 

You thought refugee meant disabled?

[USPatriot]

Thank you merkel for proving my point.

[roobaa01]

dublin convention applies first safe country rule.....no rule were so called migrants can choose in which country they can claim asylum and social welfare.

 

wbr roobaa01

 

 

[Kieran00001]

5 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said:

Is there a rule which states countries HAVE to take refugees country "shopping"?

 

Yes, it has always been up to the asylum seeker to choose where to make their application, why wouldn't it be?

 

[jenny2017]

2 hours ago, DILLIGAD said:

Good point but to where?
Most ditch their passports for exactly that reason.


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My skin darkening cream seems to work well and I'll soon be on the banana boat to Germoney. Allah Akbar, Jussuf Dilligad!!

[thaibeachlovers]

1 minute ago, Kieran00001 said:

 

Yes, it has always been up to the asylum seeker to choose where to make their application, why wouldn't it be?

 

Hungary PM disagrees with you.

[Kieran00001]

10 minutes ago, USPatriot said:

Thank you merkel for proving my point.

 

Was your point something about the reaction of failed asylum seekers who have made it to Europe or was your point not exactly on point?

[jenny2017]

11 minutes ago, USPatriot said:

Thank you merkel for proving my point.

You can have her.