Junta has created problems for the nation, not solved them: Pheu Thai

By The Nation

 

 

Pheu Thai Party on Thursday issued a statement slamming the National Council for Peace and Order and the junta government as having lost legitimacy to rule the country. It called on the junta to return power to the people.

 

The junta staged a coup in 2014 to solve the nation’s longstanding problems on behalf of the people, but have been unable to resolve them, said the party. Instead, the military-supported government has created new issues that would become future crises.

 

Pheu Thai said people’s rights and freedoms have been restricted as the junta and its head exercised their powers to issue orders. They have also appointed their people to sit on various so-called independent organisations, with the result that they are not independent but rather under the junta’s influence.

 

They had also resorted to various means to cling to power, including drafting the charter with various elements deemed to support the junta including the appointed of senators after the upcoming election, changes to the electoral system, and other measures.

 

Pheu Thai charged that he junta government does not respect the charter, as evidenced by their order to amend the political party law. They have failed in various fields of problem solving, the party said. For example, the NCPO and junta government have themselves become a party to conflict amid an environment of conflict and had thus failed to help solve conflict and forge reconciliation.

 

In the meantime, they have failed to solve economic woes, while corruption has continuously been in the news, reflecting its failure to tackle corruption. Some corruption allegations have been put to an end quickly without serous probes, the party claimed.

 

The junta leader, Pheu Thai said, has a credibility crisis as he cannot live up to his word. The party noted that the junta leader, Prayut Chan-o-cha, once said he would not stage a coup, but he did. He had also repeatedly denied that he was a politician before admitting later that he is, the party said.

 

In the party’s view, the junta and the government are not sincere about returning power to the people. It viewed that along with other “rivers”, there was a conspiracy to prolong power.

 

It is yet more proof that a coup to topple democracy cannot solve the country’s problems, said the party. On the contrary, it has created a problem for the country.

 

And so, concluded the party, it is calling on the junta to return power to the people as fast as possible.

 

Source: http://www.nationmultimedia.com/detail/politics/30337698

 

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The Junta is in power because of the big problems Pheu Thai created.

 

So it boils down to Pheu Thai created big problems - not solved them.

 

Logically there will always be at least one problem more that the Pheu Thai created then the Junta.

 

2 hours ago, webfact said:

Junta has created problems for the nation, not solved them: Pheu Thai

Why?? Isn't Thailand 'The Best' in everything? 'Best country to start a business', 'best tourist destination/highest number of tourists', 'Bangkok the best megacity'; tourists to Thailand 'the happiest in the world', Thai rice, durians, and seafood 'the best in the world', unemployment (for the past 15 years or so) of only '1.6 per cent'... Where are the problems? 

Edited February 1, 20188 yr by StayinThailand2much

The Junta is in power because of the big problems Pheu Thai created.

If by that you mean the problem in getting elected and offering the people of Thailand the possibility of having their voice influence state policy, rather than being pushed around by the army/elites, then, yes, that's quite correct. Otherwise, no.

You Pheu Thai started the problems , the Junta has created their own problems, the Thai Political Institution is damaged goods and was well before the Junta takeover,  Asian Military personal are the worst at running countries, the rest is history , the next step, will it repeat itself..........................

2 hours ago, webfact said:

The junta leader, Pheu Thai said, has a credibility crisis as he cannot live up to his word. The party noted that the junta leader, Prayut Chan-o-cha, once said he would not stage a coup, but he did. He had also repeatedly denied that he was a politician before admitting later that he is, the party said

PT is right on every point noted hereinabove, trouble is this is the thai way; every thai govt does it; look at how the reds infiltrated every single nook and cranny

 

Does this party have a face, a human being , that can say  "I will lead you out of the minefield that we are presently trapped within"? I have yet to hear of someone legitimate.

 

 

"Politics is only a certain way of agitating the people before using them"

Charles-Maurice De Talleyrand

Its clearly my assumption we are at the junta junction.

15 hours ago, ratcatcher said:

 

Does this party have a face, a human being , that can say  "I will lead you out of the minefield that we are presently trapped within"? I have yet to hear of someone legitimate.

What kind of legitimate person would want to expose themselves to such trauma in such a lawless environment.  The person running is going to have have a lot more stones than good sense.  It will be very ugly for a very long time, and the present coup leaders a major part of the problem.  They have rigged the elections and will continue to meddle .  

I would not want to take over the country like the Junta will leave it.
Financially bankrupt; Full of purchases of old things from China; Indebted to the max with China; Etc.
Good luck with the parties who want to tale over Thailand from the Junta.

19 hours ago, sweatalot said:

The Junta is in power because of the big problems Pheu Thai created.

 

So it boils down to Pheu Thai created big problems - not solved them.

 

Logically there will always be at least one problem more that the Pheu Thai created then the Junta.

 

yeah correct,they made big problems for the elite,royalists and army,and people voted by accident or out of stupidity for them,if only the stupd farangs in Europe would understand that and catch Thaksin and Yingluck and send them both back to Thailand,oh by the way could you remind me which party won the last election,and the election before,and before,and before and.......

1 hour ago, Confuscious said:

I would not want to take over the country like the Junta will leave it.
Financially bankrupt; Full of purchases of old things from China; Indebted to the max with China; Etc.
Good luck with the parties who want to tale over Thailand from the Junta.

Disagree. Take back what is rightful for the people and good riddance to the junta. Can’t wait to see their hinds and tails between their legs. 

19 hours ago, YetAnother said:

PT is right on every point noted hereinabove, trouble is this is the thai way; every thai govt does it; look at how the reds infiltrated every single nook and cranny

yeah,but they were elected,I don't remember the reds kicked out a legit free elected government by force,so if you don't like a government then you wait till next election ,if many people think same you then another party will win the election.I don't remember any coup in UK,Germany,France etc by unhappy elite or uneducated generals who need to fill their pockets

this is a joke coming from the party run by one of the biggest corrupt criminals there has been, admittedly there are several problems now but they have done a lot more about corruption than any other govt even if they are not clean themselves. There is more infrastructure work happening now as well, roads are being built/re done everywhere, pity that they are not as fiscally able as others could be. This is just ptp wanting to get their snouts back in the trough, they are scared that they will not be able to rip off the country as they have done in the past, nothing new at all

19 minutes ago, seajae said:

this is a joke coming from the party run by one of the biggest corrupt criminals there has been, admittedly there are several problems now but they have done a lot more about corruption than any other govt even if they are not clean themselves. There is more infrastructure work happening now as well, roads are being built/re done everywhere, pity that they are not as fiscally able as others could be. This is just ptp wanting to get their snouts back in the trough, they are scared that they will not be able to rip off the country as they have done in the past, nothing new at all

remind me quick,how many of the last free elections did they win?

Pot calling the kettle black.

 

Maybe Pheu Thai feels that the country is better off with them celebrating children getting blown up by RPG's or that burning down Bkk is really what will get the country on the right path?

You Pheu Thai started the problems , the Junta has created their own problems, the Thai Political Institution is damaged goods and was well before the Junta takeover,  Asian Military personal are the worst at running countries, the rest is history , the next step, will it repeat itself..........................

I don’t think anyone can really pinpoint who started it all. The political conflicts in Thailand is often said to have started about a century ago, the more realistic scenario is that it started several centuries before that with overthrowing Kingdoms with swords and arrows before governments became overthrown by guns and control of knowledge.

 

 

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Coups never work. if they did the first or the second one might have done. That is why they are abhorred by moral, educated and right thinking people.

22 hours ago, webfact said:

It called on the junta to return power to the people.

This is a fundamental flaw in understanding the power structure in Thailand since the 1932 military overthrow of the king's absolute governance. The military essentially transferred the king's absolute power to itself.

 

The military has never given that absolute power up as evidenced in part by eleven successful coupes since 1932, numerous junta-drafted constitutions and abolishment of said constitutions. It is also evidenced in part (of many other parts) to its self-declared immunity from transparency and accountability, from the very laws of the nation - some of which the military fostered!

 

What the military has given the Thai people on occasion is an illusion of democracy, ie., Thai sovereignty belongs to the people, Thais have guaranteed rights and liberties. That illusion only exists so long as the military (in my estimation) feels secure in its own ability to manipulate the public through pseudo-democratic institutions. The military is now stands "naked" before the public and the public is not impressed.

 

4 minutes ago, Srikcir said:

This is a fundamental flaw in understanding the power structure in Thailand since the 1932 military overthrow of the king's absolute governance. The military essentially transferred the king's absolute power to itself.

 

The military has never given that absolute power up as evidenced in part by eleven successful coupes since 1932, numerous junta-drafted constitutions and abolishment of said constitutions. It is also evidenced in part (of many other parts) to its self-declared immunity from transparency and accountability, from the very laws of the nation - some of which the military fostered!

 

What the military has given the Thai people on occasion is an illusion of democracy, ie., Thai sovereignty belongs to the people, Thais have guaranteed rights and liberties. That illusion only exists so long as the military (in my estimation) feels secure in its own ability to manipulate the public through pseudo-democratic institutions. The military is now stands "naked" before the public and the public is not impressed.

 

The image of Prayuth and Prawit naked before the public is exceedingly disturbing.  

 

The military must be downsized and the number of generals reduced by at least 80 percent. Perhaps, then the military could do what it is supposed to and keep out of politics. 

3 hours ago, seajae said:

this is a joke coming from the party run by one of the biggest corrupt criminals there has been, admittedly there are several problems now but they have done a lot more about corruption than any other govt even if they are not clean themselves. There is more infrastructure work happening now as well, roads are being built/re done everywhere, pity that they are not as fiscally able as others could be. This is just ptp wanting to get their snouts back in the trough, they are scared that they will not be able to rip off the country as they have done in the past, nothing new at all

Other than corrupt criminals, who would face off with the junta?  The junta has taken away rights via their renamed martial law.   As bad as the Shinawatras were, they were voted in fairly, but now the junta has installed appointed MP's which is not fair.  They have allowed the PTP, which is better organized and very popular to take the high road.  Let your favorite general run for election just like anyone else, but he has trouble with debate and he cannot bear scrutiny.   He cannot verbally defend himself in a verbal confrontation. 

 

Many a poster have said this, and I am happy to repeat for you.  Many a fascist government back in the day in Europe have said: "At least we got the trains to run on time".  

On Thu Feb 01 2018 at 5:24 PM, sweatalot said:

The Junta is in power because of the big problems Pheu Thai created.

 

So it boils down to Pheu Thai created big problems - not solved them.

 

Logically there will always be at least one problem more that the Pheu Thai created then the Junta.

 

What people like you dont understand is that tge people know that politicians are corrupt, it just they like sticking there finger up at the elite, by voting red and will do so when ever they get a chance...its not ptp its the elite, who look down on them like second class citizens that have caused this divide many many yeats ago....

Phua Thai thinks the junta has lost legitimacy ?

 

How come ? What we have here is a lot of soldiers feigning patriotism who have thrown democracy out the window and are dragging their feet about restoring it until they have enshrined within the law and the new constitution enough safeguards to ensure that they will maintain 'legal' control behind the scenes regardless of any democratic crumbs they allow the electorate in the sometime later future.

 

There is and never has been anything remotely legitimate about this scenario.

 

Phua Thai are just mincing words and attributing something to this administration it has never had.

56 minutes ago, kaorop said:

What people like you dont understand is that tge people know that politicians are corrupt, it just they like sticking there finger up at the elite, by voting red and will do so when ever they get a chance...its not ptp its the elite, who look down on them like second class citizens that have caused this divide many many yeats ago....

basically true; a number of credible outside parties have highlighted the fundamental thai, bangkok-elite vs. all others problem in thailand; hence the rise of the reds;

problem was the wrong people took control of that movement, shins and the two other families;

they spoke of but had Zero interest in helping anyone else but themselves and their many cronies;

remains a huge problem here today;

do we want the reds and their seemingly limitless hunger for corruption or do we want the bangkok-elite and their sway and minions and their own version of corruption;

dim future

4 minutes ago, YetAnother said:

do we want the reds and their seemingly limitless hunger for corruption or do we want the bangkok-elite and their sway and minions and their own version of corruption;

dim future

The answer is actually very simple. Who better to made that choice than the people themselves. The Reds are just a recent manifestation of the ordinary folks who don’t want the Bangkok elites and their enforcer and certainly hate their unaccountable corruption since 1932. What so hard to understand? 

5 minutes ago, YetAnother said:

basically true; a number of credible outside parties have highlighted the fundamental thai, bangkok-elite vs. all others problem in thailand; hence the rise of the reds;

problem was the wrong people took control of that movement, shins and the two other families;

they spoke of but had Zero interest in helping anyone else but themselves and their many cronies;

remains a huge problem here today;

do we want the reds and their seemingly limitless hunger for corruption or do we want the bangkok-elite and their sway and minions and their own version of corruption;

dim future

I'd wager that the tick tock scandal is only the tip of the iceberg as far as filling your boots goes and that what theyve had unfetted access to over the years makes takys loot look relatively insignificant..again its not the ptp thats at the root of this, they are in effect the outcome...

11 minutes ago, YetAnother said:

basically true; a number of credible outside parties have highlighted the fundamental thai, bangkok-elite vs. all others problem in thailand; hence the rise of the reds;

problem was the wrong people took control of that movement, shins and the two other families;

they spoke of but had Zero interest in helping anyone else but themselves and their many cronies;

remains a huge problem here today;

do we want the reds and their seemingly limitless hunger for corruption or do we want the bangkok-elite and their sway and minions and their own version of corruption;

dim future

I would not loop the whole red shirt membership into that. Perhaps, "Do we want the current lot of red leaders and their seemingly limitless hunger for ....... or the Elite who could not give a rats arse about the lives of the rural folk." This country needs representatives of the people who are there for the people and the improvement of the country. Decentralization is a must not only in terms of power but of using the budget for the improvement of society as a whole, not just Bangkok.   

On 2/1/2018 at 5:24 PM, sweatalot said:

The Junta is in power because of the big problems Pheu Thai created.

 

So it boils down to Pheu Thai created big problems - not solved them.

 

Logically there will always be at least one problem more that the Pheu Thai created then the Junta.

 

The Junta is in power because behind them is a group of oligarchs who are unable to accept election outcomes. They want to continue to run their kleptocratic governments like they have done for decades so they can continue enriching themselves while keeping the rest of the population as poor and misinformed as possible. Thailand is the 3rd most unequal country in the world yet people still claim that the very few elected governments Thailand has had (of which only 1 elected PM managed to serve a full term in office) is a major issue why democracy doesn't work which is based on nothing but twisted lies.

The only way for Thailand to move forward is for election outcomes to be accepted and the rule of law being applied equally without any bias or double standards which is currently far from being the case as one side is practically immune while the opponents of the establishment are systematically silenced and even persecuted.

8 hours ago, ALLSEEINGEYE said:

Pot calling the kettle black.

 

Maybe Pheu Thai feels that the country is better off with them celebrating children getting blown up by RPG's or that burning down Bkk is really what will get the country on the right path?

Nobody needs to get blown up or set on fire as long as election outcomes are accepted. Really twisted logic to accuser the people who oppose of illegitimate governments (rightfully so ?) of being the main cause of political violence when it could be easily avoided.