2 hours ago, whaleboneman said:

Very good advice.

Do you happen to sell creatine by any chance?

4 hours ago, harrycallahan said:

None of those named things are drugs they are supplements you can buy off the shelf in any western health shop.  

If you think supplements are  

safe and all are not drugs at all you know nothing about supplements. Many have barely any research and that is why they can go on the market especially in the USA. Many supplements there need a prescription or are illegal in another country. One popular supplement in the states is melatonin. A quick google search about American supplements and what is NOT done to put them on the shelf is very interesting.  Your post really should not have likes on it before doing a quick google search. Many are bad for you and have absolutely no scientific base. They just make a lot of money and often harm people. Creative had many negative reports. 

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Bloody be terrible find a person after 5 days and naked in Bed and Dead

 

Eww

Why does this even rank as news.

54 year old found dead in bed.

RIP to him, but with respect to him, so what ?

Remember the Jaws actor Robert Shaw ? Avid gym goer, died at 51

3 hours ago, r136dg said:

In the past I had a girlfriend I nicknamed cupcake & she wasn't fat;-)

On a serious note; it's always no surprize when hearing of someone passing who smoked, drank, was sedentary & ate crap. A bit shocking when someone who strives for a healthy life passes early on.

Watched a buddy of mine die from a massive heart attack. He was 51 and always watched his weight, what he ate and drank, and did not smoke. He exercised regularly; you could not pinch an inch of fat on him. I attended his funeral with a 70 year old friend who was over 300 pounds, always ate, drank and smoked too much, never exercised and he is still alive today at 87. Go figure.

2 hours ago, Baerboxer said:

"At recommended doses, creatine is considered "likely safe" to consume. Supplements may be safe for most people, in small amounts, but it is always better to get nutrients from natural sources. In high doses, it is "possibly safe." It is expected that it could affect the liver, kidneys, or heart, although these effects have not been proven."

 

From the article. Seems to be in line with what Bob12345 posted. Suspected, perhaps, possible, but not proven.

 

As with all things moderation rather than excess.

LOl... someone else who bothered to read that lengthy waffle ?

 

but another takeaway is the bit about creatine deficiencies.... which can, amongst other things, be linked to congestive heart failure.

 

after reading the link, I’m seriously wondering if I shouldn’t be getting some of that into me (just a little bit... nothing excessive ?)

Dancing bodybuilder teacher 

Just sounds strange 

RIP 

Creatine is safe its naturally produced by ur body

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3 minutes ago, Xaos said:

Creatine is safe its naturally produced by ur body

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i really don't want to get into this debate too much but if you take alot and run on a treadmill like the clappers thinking your body can take it and then shortly after are sitting on the floor having heart palpitations in the changing room you may question that. yes it can be safe and is also recommended for some types of use however self dosing and also mixing with other supplements could in my opinion be a bad thing

4 hours ago, simoh1490 said:

That's not what the medical fraternity says:

https://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/263269.php

You believe what the pharmaceutical industry writes about the competition?

17 minutes ago, Xaos said:

Creatine is safe its naturally produced by ur body

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Therefore it's safe at any dose?

6 minutes ago, Happy enough said:

i really don't want to get into this debate too much but if you take alot and run on a treadmill like the clappers thinking your body can take it and then shortly after are sitting on the floor having heart palpitations in the changing room you may question that. yes it can be safe and is also recommended for some types of use however self dosing and also mixing with other supplements could in my opinion be a bad thing

I also don't want to get into this debate but when you run a marathon with blue sunglasses on while licking creatine from your index finger and right after finishing you yell out "ummie nummie" then...

3 hours ago, outsider said:

" Police did not offer any clues as to the cause of death saying they would wait for the autopsy."

 

Wow... the brown clowns must have been reading TVF...

 

And waiting for the real clues. Looks like they won't be disappointed, eh.

 

5 hours ago, harrycallahan said:

None of those named things are drugs they are supplements you can buy off the shelf in any western health shop.  

 

The distinction is just i regulation, I can't say for Thailand but in the US glutamine is an approved drug.

1 hour ago, wvavin said:

Only an idiot would believe what the police of this country says!

 

You mean you don't believe them when they said they'd wait for the autopsy? Very shrewd indeed.

 

5 hours ago, Bob12345 said:

No, it can't cause heart failure.

Creatine "naturally occurs" in meat and has never been shown to cause heart failures.

Don't listen to random people telling you random BS.

 

Nonsense, creatine happening to naturally occur in meat says exactly nothing about the effect from consuming artificially made creatine in massive amounts, so that is worthless info. 

 

As creatine has been shown to cause heart palpitations and an increase in blood pressure it is also clear that you haven't the first idea what you are talking about. 

 

All people considering using creatine as a supplement are advised to have blood work done first, no one with a history of high blood pressure or kidney disease should take it and no one should take it for longer than recommended.

2 hours ago, Happyman58 said:

Advice for 54 year old people. Enjoy life dont need to look like Hercules and just relax. Lets face it you will never walk the catwalk again. I am 60 walk now and then Admire the ladies in Thailand(Good past time dont you think) Enjoy sex  Have a beer now and then Eat lots with my Thai lady and go on trips Now that sounds good to me instead of pumping iron everyday  

 

Yeah at age 54 it's time to ease into pipe-and-slippers mode. We have many a model worthy of emulation here in our beloved cesspool.

 

4 hours ago, r136dg said:

In the past I had a girlfriend I nicknamed cupcake & she wasn't fat;-)

On a serious note; it's always no surprize when hearing of someone passing who smoked, drank, was sedentary & ate crap. A bit shocking when someone who strives for a healthy life passes early on.

The guy who 'invented' jogging died young of a heart attack.

22 minutes ago, CGW said:

You believe what the pharmaceutical industry writes about the competition?

Yes, but the supplement business is not even close to being a competitor of global pharma.., not even remotely near.

1 hour ago, Brunolem said:

High doses of sodas and soft drinks will do fine.

Most Thais in the villages never visit a fast food joint, since there are none around, and yet many of them are overweight, starting from primary school!

 

As a matter of fact, instead of being teaching Taekwondo (for mysterious reasons), maybe they should start teaching Sumo in schools...

Hmm...actually, Sumo is Japanese wrestling (as you probably know), and there are Sumo fighters in all weight classes, it’s just that the heavyweights are the most famous (and the ones we get to see occasionally in the West). 

 

Is it true that they are teaching Taekwondo in some Thai schools?

2 hours ago, Jingjock said:

I know two body builders in Pattaya taking steroids, one has passed away, the other 2 heart attacks, beware of steroids just to look good.

A body builder looking good?? A lot of them, not all, are overmuscled freaks.

9 minutes ago, simoh1490 said:

Yes, but the supplement business is not even close to being a competitor of global pharma.., not even remotely near.

They never will be either - if Big Pharma have their way! with all the money they have - not difficult to stay on top!

1 hour ago, Brunolem said:

High doses of sodas and soft drinks will do fine.

Most Thais in the villages never visit a fast food joint, since there are none around, and yet many of them are overweight, starting from primary school!

 

As a matter of fact, instead of being teaching Taekwondo (for mysterious reasons), maybe they should start teaching Sumo in schools...

nothing to do with eating fried food loaded with sugar every day?

"He is believed to have been dead for five days".

 

He couldn't be dead 5 days ago.

He was on his twitter account at  9:15 AM - 5 Feb 2018

12 minutes ago, Dutchjohn said:

"He is believed to have been dead for five days".

 

He couldn't be dead 5 days ago.

He was on his twitter account at  9:15 AM - 5 Feb 2018

Many zombies actually tweet...

No, it can't cause heart failure.
Creatine "naturally occurs" in meat and has never been shown to cause heart failures.
Don't listen to random people telling you random BS.

I'm sure there are plenty of 'naturally occurring' Asubstances that can kill you.....it"s a matter of the dose.

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6 hours ago, r136dg said:

In the past I had a girlfriend I nicknamed cupcake & she wasn't fat;-)

On a serious note; it's always no surprize when hearing of someone passing who smoked, drank, was sedentary & ate crap. A bit shocking when someone who strives for a healthy life passes early on.

I have to ask....are you fat ? The poster suggested it was fat people who ate cupcakes ? ?

6 hours ago, Bob12345 said:

No, it can't cause heart failure.

Creatine "naturally occurs" in meat and has never been shown to cause heart failures.

Don't listen to random people telling you random BS.

You do know eating too much red meat can cause heart problems right? So I'm not sure where you are going with your comment ☺

1 hour ago, JSixpack said:

 

Yeah at age 54 it's time to ease into pipe-and-slippers mode. We have many a model worthy of emulation here in our beloved cesspool.

 

you really need to stop posting pictures of me on the forum. i'm sure it's against the rules ; )

yep. pataya is the place to go