U.S. Democrats' memo charges Republicans trying to undermine Russia probes

[riclag]

20 minutes ago, heybruce said:

"Since when does the world want to know what PT wants to do about future Russian meddling!"

 

Seriously?  Since Trump got elected.  Everyone who gets their news from sources other than Fox or alt-right propaganda sites knows that.

 

" Republican leaders in Congress are failing their country: at the least they should hold emergency hearings to protect America from subversion in the mid-term elections. Just now, with Mr Trump obsessively blaming the FBI and Democrats, it looks as if America does not believe democracy is worth fighting for. "   https://www.economist.com/news/leaders/21737276-and-why-wests-response-inadequate-how-putin-meddles-western-democracies  

 

"The meddling is small potatoes, in that Russians used fake news to create discord through social media."

 

You think this was small potatoes?

 

" Using fake social-media personas, the Russians tried to depress turnout among blacks and Muslims, encourage third-party voting and convince people of widespread voter fraud; their actions were designed to benefit Bernie Sanders, who lost the Democratic nomination to Hillary Clinton, and Mr Trump. “Many” of the social- media groups created as part of the operation, Mr Mueller says, had more than 100,000 followers. The Russians organised and co-ordinated rallies in several states, such as a “Florida Goes Trump” day on August 20th. "  https://www.economist.com/news/briefing/21737297-mueller-indictment-reveals-some-kremlins-tactics-russian-disinformation-distorts

 

I'd like to post more from both these articles, but don't want the post deleted.  Just because protecting our elections is difficult is no excuse for doing nothing.  The longer Russia is allowed to undermine democracy with impunity, the more enthusiastically Russia will engage in the interference. 

 

As I posted on another thread, I can think of only two reasons for Trump's failure to take action.  Either Russia has him compromised, or Trump hopes to use the Presidency to further business deals between his family business and Russia.  Can you think of any other reason?

Everyone is well aware of the Russians cyber propaganda and fake news now.We all know what  Russian bots are  .Google,Facebook,twitter,instagram and youtube have already said they are working on it.If your expecting details of what PT and his administration has instored, than you will be out of luck.He has a long history of not giving away America's intentions.

Edited February 25, 2018 by riclag

[ilostmypassword]

6 minutes ago, riclag said:

Everyone is well aware of the Russians cyber propaganda and fake news now.We all know what  Russian bots are  .Google,Facebook,twitter,instagram and youtube have already said they are working on it.If your expecting details of what PT and his administration has instored, than you will be out of luck.He has a long history of not giving away America's intentions.

Donald Trump has a long history of not giving away AMerica's intentions. He's only been President for slightly over 1 year. It may seem like a long time to many of us but really...

And I do recall in that short time he gave away to the Russians some confidential intelligence the Israelis shared with the USA. They weren't too pleased about that.

[sirineou]

War of the Memoes !!What is a memo anyway? 

 To me it sounds like a press release from the Republicans in an effort to support their talking points and a rebuttal by the Democrats, all in an attempt to influence public opinion,  delegitimize the investigation and give Trump cover to exercise presidential Pardons and protect himself and family,  

 

 

[riclag]

7 minutes ago, ilostmypassword said:

Donald Trump has a long history of not giving away AMerica's intentions. He's only been President for slightly over 1 year. It may seem like a long time to many of us but really...

And I do recall in that short time he gave away to the Russians some confidential intelligence the Israelis shared with the USA. They weren't too pleased about that.

General Kelly and General Mcmaster

 

20 minutes ago, ilostmypassword said:

Donald Trump has a long history of not giving away AMerica's intentions. He's only been President for slightly over 1 year. It may seem like a long time to many of us but really...

And I do recall in that short time he gave away to the Russians some confidential intelligence the Israelis shared with the USA. They weren't too pleased about that.

 As President,PT has the right to share intel with other people and countries.In this case sharing intel about a ISIS plan to use bombs in notebooks via commercial airlines was downplayed by one of his top Generals(Mcmasters)

[ilostmypassword]

Just now, riclag said:

General Kelly and General Mcmaster

 

 As President,PT has the right to share intel with other people and countries.In this case sharing intel about a ISIS plan to use bombs in notebooks via commercial airlines was downplayed by one of his top Generals(Mcmasters)

You're confused. This isn't about the legality of what Trump did. It's about betraying the trust of an ally. And the Israelis have the right to withhold further classified information from  America, too.

[Trouble]

The postings on this thread are indicative of why no one should believe anything they read on social media websites. There are "opinions"  ranging all over the place on both sides of the political spectrum. To date the American public has been kept in the dark by its own government as to whether there was or was not collusion by the Trump campaign because these ongoing investigations can't seem to find evidence and they keep looking and looking leading to investigations that seem to never end or they use the excuse of "national intelligence" in failing to disclose information.  Mueller seems to be going after a few Trump campaign staffers hoping to get them to squeal by investigating them for things unrelated to the Trump campaign which only tells me he has nothing conclusive. The FBI's investigation of Carter Page and the FISA warrants obtained in part on information contained in the dossier only tells me one thing, they failed to gather much on Carter Page, the subject of the investigation. Carter Page evidently was not guilty of anything and there is no indication that he is about to be arrested for any nefarious activities having to do with the Russians. 

 

As one poster said, we all are well aware of what has been or is being  done by the Russians on social media. More importantly what is being done to halt the same type of activities by political entities on both sides of the spectrum to sew social discord? Nothing!  Does it matter whether the Russians are promulgating fake stories on social media or whether it is done by political interests or slanted news outlets. If the net result is untrue information, and the American voter is stupid enough to accept it, then investigation into what Russia did or did not do is just a waste of time. Certainly we know that Hillary and the DNC froze Bernie Sanders out of the DNC campaign process but where is the outrage from the Left. The coming elections will only be business as usual with the press, social media and network and cable news outlets all putting forth their garbage to influence voters one way or another. Much of that information will be knowingly untrue or slanted to further their individual political agendas.  Therein lies the dilemma for the American public. 

Edited February 25, 2018 by Trouble

[ilostmypassword]

8 minutes ago, Trouble said:

The postings on this thread are indicative of why no one should believe anything they read on social media websites. There are "opinions"  ranging all over the place on both sides of the political spectrum. To date the American public has been kept in the dark by its own government as to whether there was or was not collusion by the Trump campaign because these ongoing investigations can't seem to find evidence and they keep looking and looking leading to investigations that seem to never end or they use the excuse of "national intelligence" in failing to disclose information.  Mueller seems to be going after a few Trump campaign staffers hoping to get them to squeal by investigating them for things unrelated to the Trump campaign which only tells me he has nothing conclusive. The FBI's investigation of Carter Page and the FISA warrants obtained in part on information contained in the dossier only tells me one thing, they failed to gather much on Carter Page, the subject of the investigation. Carter Page evidently was not guilty of anything and there is no indication that he is about to be arrested for any nefarious activities having to do with the Russians. 

 

As one poster said, we all are well aware of what has been or is being  done by the Russians on social media. More importantly what is being done to halt the same type of activities by political entities on both sides of the spectrum to sew social discord? Nothing!  Does it matter whether the Russians are promulgating fake stories on social media or whether it is done by political interests or slanted news outlets. If the net result is untrue information, and the American voter is stupid enough to accept it, then investigation into what Russia did or did not do is just a waste of time. Certainly we know that Hillary and the DNC froze Bernie Sanders out of the DNC campaign process but where is the outrage from the Left. The coming elections will only be business as usual with the press, social media and network and cable news outlets all putting forth their garbage to influence voters one way or another. Much of that information will be knowingly untrue or slanted to further their individual political agendas.  Therein lies the dilemma for the American public. 

On the one hand this:

"The postings on this thread are indicative of why no one should believe anything they read on social media websites. There are "opinions"  ranging all over the place on both sides of the political spectrum."

 

And it's immediately followed by this:

"To date the American public has been kept in the dark by its own government as to whether there was or was not collusion by the Trump campaign because these ongoing investigations can't seem to find evidence and they keep looking and looking leading to investigations that seem to never end or they use the excuse of "national intelligence" in failing to disclose information."

 

And how exactly does the assertion you just made that "these investigations can't seem to find evidence" differ from those ""opinions""?

You got some special pipeline into the FBI investigation? A friend at the Fisa court?

Youea is a particularly inept attempt at seeming impartial. And if the ineptitude of the first paragraph wasn't enough you compound the offense by providing us with yet another instance of but but but but Hillary.

Give it a rest.

[kamahele]

20 hours ago, Boon Mee said:

"Undermine"? 

The Democrats memo is void of facts. Conjecture and suppositions is all it is. 

You didn't read the memo did you?

[heybruce]

16 hours ago, riclag said:

Everyone is well aware of the Russians cyber propaganda and fake news now.We all know what  Russian bots are  .Google,Facebook,twitter,instagram and youtube have already said they are working on it.If your expecting details of what PT and his administration has instored, than you will be out of luck.He has a long history of not giving away America's intentions.

Social media companies are making a long overdue effort to identify bots, and troll farms are modifying their bots to make them difficult to identify. 

 

Trump has a long history of making bold claims and following through with nothing.  In the case of Russian interference in the election he hasn't even done that.  Trump has only recently conceded that Russia made any attempt at interference, and shown no indication of being willing  to do anything about it.  No surprise, when has Trump ever done anything that might offend his buddy Putin?

 

 

[riclag]

7 hours ago, heybruce said:

Social media companies are making a long overdue effort to identify bots, and troll farms are modifying their bots to make them difficult to identify. 

 

Trump has a long history of making bold claims and following through with nothing.  In the case of Russian interference in the election he hasn't even done that.  Trump has only recently conceded that Russia made any attempt at interference, and shown no indication of being willing  to do anything about it.  No surprise, when has Trump ever done anything that might offend his buddy Putin?

 

 

He was asked what are your plans for ISIS,His reply was I'm not telling you or anyone .Anything involving America's security intentions will not be made through the news media. He has maintained that since the campaign. So don't hold your breath waiting for a answer to what is in the works for Russian election prop

[heybruce]

38 minutes ago, riclag said:

He was asked what are your plans for ISIS,His reply was I'm not telling you or anyone .Anything involving America's security intentions will not be made through the news media. He has maintained that since the campaign. So don't hold your breath waiting for a answer to what is in the works for Russian election prop

Dream on.  If any action is taken it will come from Congress.  Trump won't do anything.

[ilostmypassword]

8 hours ago, heybruce said:

Social media companies are making a long overdue effort to identify bots, and troll farms are modifying their bots to make them difficult to identify. 

 

Trump has a long history of making bold claims and following through with nothing.  In the case of Russian interference in the election he hasn't even done that.  Trump has only recently conceded that Russia made any attempt at interference, and shown no indication of being willing  to do anything about it.  No surprise, when has Trump ever done anything that might offend his buddy Putin?

 

 

 

37 minutes ago, riclag said:

He was asked what are your plans for ISIS,His reply was I'm not telling you or anyone .Anything involving America's security intentions will not be made through the news media. He has maintained that since the campaign. So don't hold your breath waiting for a answer to what is in the works for Russian election prop

So, has Trump somewhere voiced the same kind of favorable opinions of Islamist terrorists  that he has of Putin? Has he shown the same uncharacteristic diffidence in addressing the misdeeds of Isis as has concerning those of Putin? Did the Republican platform committee tone down its rhetoric against Islamic terrorists the way it did against the Russian invasion of the Ukraine? Only someone who massively ignores Trump's uncharacteristic mildness towards Putin and Russia could possibly believe that he has "something in the works for Russian election prop."

[riclag]

34 minutes ago, heybruce said:

Dream on.  If any action is taken it will come from Congress.  Trump won't do anything.

 What are you talking about?In a prior post you said "Actually most of the world realizes this is a silly sideshow.  The world wants to know what Trump is going to do to prevent Russian meddling in future elections".

My reply was since when does the world want to know this and that PT doesn't show his intentions .So don't expect a answer to what he is willing to do with meddling 

Edited February 26, 2018 by riclag

[heybruce]

30 minutes ago, riclag said:

 What are you talking about?In a prior post you said "Actually most of the world realizes this is a silly sideshow.  The world wants to know what Trump is going to do to prevent Russian meddling in future elections".

My reply was since when does the world want to know this and that PT doesn't show his intentions .So don't expect a answer to what he is willing to do with meddling 

I've shown you one news article that shows the world is paying attention to the lack of action on Russian meddling.  I can dig up others, there are many.

 

Action against Russia would take the form of some kind of sanctions, which are not kept secret.  That's why absence of any action is obvious.