Brexit has created chaos in Britain – nobody voted for this

[stevenl]

1 hour ago, aright said:

Learn the language.

"Getting Quilty"......like sleeping in  bed together.

 

Strange, Google nor urban dictionary know this expression. Only scousers would know 'quilt', but I'm sure you're not going down that road.

 

Nauseus, thanks for the admission.

 

 

Edited March 31, 2018 by stevenl

[Chomper Higgot]

Perhaps there are reasons to question a Bloomberg graph, who knows?!

 

But surely even the most rabid of Brexiteers here in Thailand have no problem understanding the significant drop in the GBP/THB exchange rate since the referrendum.

 

A price worth paying ?

[talahtnut]

14 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

Perhaps there are reasons to question a Bloomberg graph, who knows?!

 

But surely even the most rabid of Brexiteers here in Thailand have no problem understanding the significant drop in the GBP/THB exchange rate since the referrendum.

 

A price worth paying ?

The pound has been dropping for yonks.

The price?..Buy some wooly underwear and try wintering in UK.

 

[billd766]

1 hour ago, Chomper Higgot said:

Perhaps there are reasons to question a Bloomberg graph, who knows?!

 

But surely even the most rabid of Brexiteers here in Thailand have no problem understanding the significant drop in the GBP/THB exchange rate since the referrendum.

 

A price worth paying ?

 

Yes.

 

Am I happy about it? Not really.

 

Did I expect it? Yes.

 

Will it get better? IMHO, yes it will.

Edited March 31, 2018 by billd766

[nauseus]

1 hour ago, Grouse said:

Of course. I thought that was inferred. Did you think it was 1.40?

You quoted 1.40 and 1.14 but confused the currencies.

 

As the pound was 1.40 against the dollar, the euro was 1.23 against the dollar, as I said in the first place.

[nauseus]

1 hour ago, talahtnut said:

The pound has been dropping for yonks.

The price?..Buy some wooly underwear and try wintering in UK.

 

As the baht has been rising.

[talahtnut]

8 minutes ago, nauseus said:

As the baht has been rising.

The price of wooly underwear follows the ฿

[nauseus]

8 minutes ago, talahtnut said:

The price of wooly underwear follows the ฿

Baaaaaht

[talahtnut]

10 minutes ago, nauseus said:

Baaaaaht

No good bleating about it.

[aright]

A very good article

 

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2018/03/31/remainers-need-get-lost/

[talahtnut]

18 minutes ago, aright said:

A very good article

 

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2018/03/31/remainers-need-get-lost/

I'm betting that HMG will bungle it, like they have with everything else.

[tebee]

25 minutes ago, aright said:

A very good article

 

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2018/03/31/remainers-need-get-lost/

So next time Labour lose the election, they give up and the Conservatives rule unopposed for every?

[Grouse]

I'm not going to pay to read fatuous crap from Heffer. 

[nauseus]

4 hours ago, stevenl said:

Strange, Google nor urban dictionary know this expression. Only scousers would know 'quilt', but I'm sure you're not going down that road.

 

Nauseus, thanks for the admission.

 

 

I am always ready to acknowledge my errors. Everyone should do the same. 

[George FmplesdaCosteedback]

18 hours ago, soalbundy said:

Why hasn't the UK triggered article 127 yet ? last day today otherwise it's a very soft Brexit but then the government knows that already. Makes getting back in again in 10 years time so much easier.

No "Trigger" needed.

The UK was in the EEA before we joined the Common Market.

The EEA is a trade agreement: not a unified, control orientated, corrupt, undemocratic and expansionist bureaucratic dictatorship.

I am in favour of the UK rejoining the EEA (after the UK leaves the EU), and we will be welcomed back without any doubt as the offer has already been made.

Keep up!

 

 

Edited March 31, 2018 by George FmplesdaCosteedback

[AYJAYDEE]

24 minutes ago, George FmplesdaCosteedback said:

No "Trigger" needed.

The UK was in the EEA before we joined the Common Market.

The EEA is a trade agreement: not a unified, control orientated, corrupt, undemocratic and expansionist bureaucratic dictatorship.

I am in favour of the UK rejoining the EEA (after the UK leaves the EU), and we will be welcomed back without any doubt as the offer has already been made.

Keep up!

 

 

https://www.ft.com/content/16b50be8-161c-38d3-83b8-14b04faa9580

[soalbundy]

11 hours ago, billd766 said:

 

I am a Brexiteer and not only do I NOT get dole money, I never did.

 

I did what most people of my generation did.

 

I worked for my money.

 

 

I never got them either.

 

 

drink some herbal tea and calm down, it wasn't meant seriously, I will put a smiley on it, here 

[soalbundy]

2 hours ago, George FmplesdaCosteedback said:

No "Trigger" needed.

The UK was in the EEA before we joined the Common Market.

The EEA is a trade agreement: not a unified, control orientated, corrupt, undemocratic and expansionist bureaucratic dictatorship.

I am in favour of the UK rejoining the EEA (after the UK leaves the EU), and we will be welcomed back without any doubt as the offer has already been made.

Keep up!

 

 

You almost ran out of adjectives there, is that a no to the EU ?

[tebee]

   

Brexit is a lie, even many Brexiters believe their own ideology in theory but not in detail. Brexit hasn’t unfolded as they expected, the whole thing stinks. This is true particularly of British politicians, civil servants, business leaders or even many Brexit-cheerleading journalists, they don't believe the official state ideology of Brexit. But to admit that lie publicly would be embarrassing and a loss of face, they just mouth the slogans.

  

Brexit has created a two-faced ruling class in London.  The populist policy of Brexit has made the populist claim come true: Britain’s elite lies. And this will worsen after Brexit,  Britain’s ruling class hasn’t prepared the population for pain from Brexit. Any hardship will further dent trust in government. The backlash could be either extreme nationalist or extreme left, while the ruling class whines: “But we never believed the silly idea to start with!

 

Ordinary working Brexit believers, they think nothing bad has happened, so the remainers are wrong, so Brexit is going to just fine. They just don’t understand why it is taking so long and why the NHS hasn’t had more money yet, but their belief is unshakable.

 

When the final deal comes out and truth can’t be ignored any longer, they will blame others. They are immune to arguments and logic (as are many remainers); this is a new religion.

 

The leaders of the Tory / UKIP far right are what they accuse remainers of being; traitors. And their foot soldiers, willing fools. Saying it achieves nothing. We need a better way of fighting back and exposing the hypocrisy, but I haven’t found it yet.

 

 

[simoh1490]

11 hours ago, Grouse said:

Interesting plot

 

You can see the 2008/9 crisis and the Brexit vote crisis

 

The labels are confused (possibly intentionally)

 

Overall result is that, post Brexit, we are flatlining

 

It makes no difference using zero or 100 for a reference point (or 99 or -13!). It's just for ease of interpretation.

It's easy enough to hide the parts of the graph that were posted originally in order to make the associated point, just by lengthening the timescale and stretching the graph, it's an old con trick! The title of the graph is the Brexit Barometer, how the UK economy has changed. The title of the graph is not, the UK economy since the year 2000!

 

What I posted originally is this: https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2018-03-27/brexit-is-a-year-away-here-s-what-s-happening-in-the-u-k

 

What the above link shows is, (now read slowly everyone because this is really tricky), a graph showing how the economy has changed since Brexit where 100 is par - I'll say that again, where 100 is par at the start of the graph in the timeframe shown which starts at 2015 (not 2000) - I'm sorry if that continues to cause some posters confusion but I can't say it in simpler terms. Regardless of what the units do or not imply the relative plots on the graph shows the story that the article is trying to convey and this is supported by the narrative, indeed, there are words in the article in addition to the picture!

 

As said this is not a debate, it's an ego trip for a few lonely posters where Brexit is simply the excuse to hide behind whilst display appalling behaviour - to be useful it needs to change or be controlled.

Edited April 1, 2018 by simoh1490

[transam]

16 hours ago, soalbundy said:

from the DWP ? Not all 52%, some will be on social security, some/a lot will be getting a pension, some will be flipping burgers or hauling bricks for a skilled polish bricklayer.

So are you saying a Brit in the building trade, you know the blokes who built your house because you can't, are in some way below you and remoaners status...?

[simoh1490]

8 hours ago, aright said:

A very good article

 

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2018/03/31/remainers-need-get-lost/

Nice to see good quality journalistic pieces written by independent and objective journalists. 

 

"Simon Heffer - Since 2016, he has formed part of the political advisory board of Leave Means Leave".

[boomerangutang]

Evidence is slowly emerging that top US Republican donors purportedly invested in the Brexit campaign.  There may also be some Russian connections to those donors and their money infusions into Brexit.  Stay tuned.  A couple notes:

 

>>>  Putin and Russian heavies wanted Brexit, because it weakens the EU, and makes it a bit easier for Russia to re-cobble remnants of their once-mighty USSR territories.

 

>>>  It's easy for a multi-billionaire political manipulators (like US hard-right Russia-friendly Americans) to infuse money into the Brexit campaign.  They can disguise money as corporate investments as opposed to political donations.  Plus, top US donors don't need to make money - they're already multi-billionaires.

 

It's similar to what I predicted for many months.  Because Russian officialdom has always been in favor of Brexit, it's not surprising that they would do clandestine activities to further their goal.  Brit voters, like Americans, are easy to manipulate.  One big (but not the only) factor:  Facebook.

[simoh1490]

35 minutes ago, simoh1490 said:

It's easy enough to hide the parts of the graph that were posted originally in order to make the associated point, just by lengthening the timescale and stretching the graph, it's an old con trick! The title of the graph is the Brexit Barometer, how the UK economy has changed. The title of the graph is not, the UK economy since the year 2000!

 

What I posted originally is this: https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2018-03-27/brexit-is-a-year-away-here-s-what-s-happening-in-the-u-k

 

What the above link shows is, (now read slowly everyone because this is really tricky), a graph showing how the economy has changed since 2015 where 100 is par - I'll say that again, where 100 is par at the start of the graph in the timeframe shown which starts at 2015 (not 2000) - I'm sorry if that continues to cause some posters confusion but I can't say it in simpler terms. Regardless of what the units do or not imply the relative plots on the graph shows the story that the article is trying to convey and this is supported by the narrative, indeed, there are words in the article in addition to the picture!

 

As said this is not a debate, it's an ego trip for a few lonely posters where Brexit is simply the excuse to hide behind whilst display appalling behaviour - to be useful it needs to change or be controlled.

 

 

[simoh1490]

32 minutes ago, transam said:

So are you saying a Brit in the building trade, you know the blokes who built your house because you can't, are in some way below you and remoaners status...?

I'm not getting into this one other than to try and help provide some clarity but there's a useful article below which may help shed some light on the subject, or not. https://www.newstatesman.com/politics/staggers/2016/06/how-did-different-demographic-groups-vote-eu-referendum

[soalbundy]

39 minutes ago, transam said:

So are you saying a Brit in the building trade, you know the blokes who built your house because you can't, are in some way below you and remoaners status...?

I don't have a house in the UK. We are all here to do what we are all here to do.

[transam]

I just find it offensive to castigate ordinary working folk on the street as folk who should not have a voice. Remember these are the folk on the street that have watched their country being overtaken by the vast influx of foreigners that is changing their country. 

Perhaps like me the ordinary folk don't understand the financial implications of going it alone but for sure what they see is enough to get back back to controlling their their own streets..

[transam]

4 minutes ago, soalbundy said:

I don't have a house in the UK. We are all here to do what we are all here to do.

You had one in Germany....?

You spent most of your life in Germany. I reckon that's why your stance on stuff, you perhaps have lost the Brit thing eh...

[simoh1490]

The problem Trans is not with the voter because of his/her education level, net worth etc but with the vote itself. People who were uninformed and incapable of imagining all the potential issues should not have been asked to vote on this issue, it's akin to trying a person in a court of law with only one-tenth of the evidence where people substitute emotion for fact.

[soalbundy]

1 minute ago, transam said:

You had one in Germany....?

You spent most of your life in Germany. I reckon that's why your stance on stuff, you perhaps have lost the Brit thing eh...

Yes I had one in Germany. My brother-in-law worked on the building sites as a bricklayer in Munich but the lack of intellect amongst his workmates made him depressive so he took out a loan from the bank and studied, he is still in the building trade but in management. I don't know what a Brit thing is, is it different from a German thing or a French thing?