Yulia Skripal, poisoned with her Russian double-agent father, is getting better

[simple1]

31 minutes ago, ChouDoufu said:

 

would i be correct in assuming that you can not provide a link to "the BBC has already informed that the alleged Novichok agent deployed was A-234"?

NO

[Khun Han]

The only results of Googling "BBC A-234" are two in French language which appeear to be about Christiano Ronaldo. Now, if only Man United could re-sign him.....

[rockingrobin]

59 minutes ago, Khun Han said:

The only results of Googling "BBC A-234" are two in French language which appeear to be about Christiano Ronaldo. Now, if only Man United could re-sign him.....

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Russia's ambassador to the UK, Alexander Yakovenko, has suggested British authorities have identified the variant used in the Skripal attack as A-234.

The BBC's security correspondent Gordon Corera says the implication of these comments is that Russia has been informed by the British of the specific agent used.

But he adds: "So far, British officials have not confirmed that they have communicated this to Moscow, or that the A-234 was the exact agent deployed. `

 

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-43377698

[Topdoc]

Something else has popped up:

The London Economic reports Sergei Skripal, at the time of the alleged assassination attempt, was actually investigating the collusion between Internet Research Agency, AIQ, Cambridge Analytica and its parent company, SCL

https://www.thelondoneconomic.com/opinion/why-the-cambridge-analytica-scandal-could-be-much-more-serious-than-you-think/27/03/

 

Yet another plausible explanation!

 

[Morch]

3 hours ago, rockingrobin said:

The Russian Ambassador suggests that the British have identified the agent as A-234

 

To me the most pertinent question is the motive. Skripal had lived openly in Salisbury , (I would assume that the security services would have conducted a risk assessment once he had been swapped ) , it would appear that no special precautions had been put in place. 

If Russia felt so betrayed by his actions why release him from prison  for the Anna Chapman spy circle.

 

'Traitors will kick the bucket': Vladimir Putin swore revenge on poisoned Russian spy Sergei Skripal

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2018/03/06/traitors-will-kick-bucket-vladimir-putin-swore-revenge-poisoned/

 

Why the poisoned ‘traitor’ is a winning card for Putin

https://www.politico.eu/article/vladimir-putin-russia-election-intelligence-provocateur/

 

These 8 Russian ‘traitors’ died suspiciously on foreign soil

https://nypost.com/2018/03/17/these-8-russian-traitors-died-suspiciously-on-foreign-soil/

 

 

 

[Morch]

1 hour ago, Topdoc said:

Something else has popped up:

The London Economic reports Sergei Skripal, at the time of the alleged assassination attempt, was actually investigating the collusion between Internet Research Agency, AIQ, Cambridge Analytica and its parent company, SCL

https://www.thelondoneconomic.com/opinion/why-the-cambridge-analytica-scandal-could-be-much-more-serious-than-you-think/27/03/

 

Yet another plausible explanation!

 

 

Nothing actually popped up. The London Economic (not the most reliable media outlet around) article says someone said. And that's about it. Not much details on either source or claim. But let's play along and assume that there's something to it - doesn't necessarily shift the focus from Russia. Perhaps even strengthen the suspicions. As said - it's one of them things that get tossed about, without any verification available.

[rockingrobin]

15 minutes ago, Morch said:

 

'Traitors will kick the bucket': Vladimir Putin swore revenge on poisoned Russian spy Sergei Skripal

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2018/03/06/traitors-will-kick-bucket-vladimir-putin-swore-revenge-poisoned/

 

Why the poisoned ‘traitor’ is a winning card for Putin

https://www.politico.eu/article/vladimir-putin-russia-election-intelligence-provocateur/

 

These 8 Russian ‘traitors’ died suspiciously on foreign soil

https://nypost.com/2018/03/17/these-8-russian-traitors-died-suspiciously-on-foreign-soil/

 

 

 

Putin traitor revenge statement , was directed at the Russian military officer who betrayed Anna Chapman. If Putin was directing it at Skripal  there would be no need to release him from jail

[Morch]

Just now, rockingrobin said:

Putin traitor revenge statement , was directed at the Russian military officer who betrayed Anna Chapman. If Putin was directing it at Skripal  there would be no need to release him from jail

 

You do notice how them Russian traitors seem to end up, don't you?

Perhaps it was deemed a worthy price to pay for returning Chapman, with the knowledge that later on, the books will be settled. Other than Russia, and barring conspiracy theories - who's got both the motive and the means?

[rockingrobin]

20 minutes ago, Morch said:

 

You do notice how them Russian traitors seem to end up, don't you?

Perhaps it was deemed a worthy price to pay for returning Chapman, with the knowledge that later on, the books will be settled. Other than Russia, and barring conspiracy theories - who's got both the motive and the means?

Why was Anna Chapman special, that forced the Russians to do the swap. What part did Gennady Vasilenko play, 

[Morch]

13 minutes ago, rockingrobin said:

Why was Anna Chapman special, that forced the Russians to do the swap. What part did Gennady Vasilenko play, 

 

Maybe you should ask Putin.

[rockingrobin]

5 minutes ago, Morch said:

 

Maybe you should ask Putin.

The initial swap appears irrational

We have 10 Russian spies on US soil , under longtime surveillance.The US decide that they want to do a swap with the Russians and so decide to arrest them

The Russians obviously agree, they get 10 spies who have provided no worthy intelligence, and are  regarded at best as low assets by the west.

The Russians give up Skripol , ex GRU,  Zaporozhsky Russian Foreign Intelligence, Igor Sutyagin arms control researcher , and Vasilenko.

Vaselinko was courted by the FBI back in the 80s , but was never recruited.Being recalled back to the Soviet Union and spending time in jail. Curiously he started a business with the FBI agent who tried to recruit him , before being arrested  on gun charges.

[Morch]

18 minutes ago, rockingrobin said:

The initial swap appears irrational

We have 10 Russian spies on US soil , under longtime surveillance.The US decide that they want to do a swap with the Russians and so decide to arrest them

The Russians obviously agree, they get 10 spies who have provided no worthy intelligence, and are  regarded at best as low assets by the west.

The Russians give up Skripol , ex GRU,  Zaporozhsky Russian Foreign Intelligence, Igor Sutyagin arms control researcher , and Vasilenko.

Vaselinko was courted by the FBI back in the 80s , but was never recruited.Being recalled back to the Soviet Union and spending time in jail. Curiously he started a business with the FBI agent who tried to recruit him , before being arrested  on gun charges.

 

Fascinating.

[ChouDoufu]

no one here is following a kremlin script, as far as i know.

the russians can say whatever they want, doesn't matter.

what matters is the brits have made accusations, and so

far have failed to provide any evidence.

 

i don't know the russians didn't do it.  i don't know they did.

the events can be spun into multiple sensible theories.

the burden of proof lies with the brits.....so prove it.

[metisdead]

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[Grouse]

A-234 is a gas at STP

[rockingrobin]

24 minutes ago, Grouse said:

A-234 is a gas at STP

One of the problems I see for the UK government , 

 

The OPCW in 2017 declared that it had verified the destruction of all the known Russia chemical weapons

program

 

https://www.opcw.org/news/article/opcw-director-general-commends-major-milestone-as-russia-completes-destruction-of-chemical-weapons-stockpile-under-opcw-verification/

 

This was accepted by the UKs permanent representative Ambassador Peter Wilson

 

https://csp22.opcw.org/documents/ 

(see documents from UK dated 27/11/2017)

 

 

Edited March 31, 2018 by rockingrobin

[samran]

1 hour ago, ChouDoufu said:

no one here is following a kremlin script, as far as i know.

the russians can say whatever they want, doesn't matter.

what matters is the brits have made accusations, and so

far have failed to provide any evidence.

 

i don't know the russians didn't do it.  i don't know they did.

the events can be spun into multiple sensible theories.

the burden of proof lies with the brits.....so prove it.

Why would that be? Why should they be expected to release information which would give away confidential methods and sources?

[ChouDoufu]

8 hours ago, simple1 said:

Search "BBC A-234". .....................

apologize for late response.  i seem to have posted links incorrectly.

 

I found your bbc reference to A-234.  i had to ditch googles, they are blocking some articles.  went with duckduckgo for more information.  there was a bbc article from a while back, seems to be referencing yakovenko's remarks at a press conference from march 22.  he explains "A-234" was used by foreign secretary johnson when informing the russian side of the 24-hour ultimatum to respond.

 

you can find the full text of the speech here, scroll down to "march 12":

Ambassador Yakovenko introductory remarks at the press conference 22 March 2018

https://www.rusemb.org.uk/fnapr/6429

 

he further called into question the timing of the announcements, remarking on how it was possible for the british side to determine the type and origin of the substance used unless they themselves maintained stocks. 

 

" Russia's ambassador to the United Kingdom hinted at British involvement in the poisoning of a former Russian double agent as he reiterated his country's stance Thursday that it had nothing to do with the attack. "  (1st sentence of article)

 

Russian envoy: 'Highly likely' Britain had nerve agent used in spy attack

https://edition.cnn.com/2018/03/22/europe/russia-reaction-uk-spy-intl/index.html

 

is the russian ambassador lying about johnson's statement?  seems awfully fast to have determined the exact version of agent, as the experts at the opcw will take 2-3 weeks.  still, if the exact version were known, and already communicated to the russians, why hide it?  that speech to parliament would have been a real blockbuster if only dear leader had included the exact type of agent.  however that would have gone against the legal document from porton down filed in the court petition to draw blood much later, the only real bit of evidence so far, that simply said the test was positive for something similar.

Edited March 31, 2018 by ChouDoufu
misplace quote

[ChouDoufu]

4 minutes ago, samran said:

Why would that be? Why should they be expected to release information which would give away confidential methods and sources?

no need at this point.  why rush to sanction?

wait for test results from opcw and police investigation.

or shall we hang him today, and offer a trial next week?

that seems so, i dunno, sovietski.

a shame that i'm only aware of one member of parliament willing

to wait for the investigation.  sad.  bigly sad.

 

 

[Morch]

8 minutes ago, ChouDoufu said:

apologize for late response.  i seem to have posted links incorrectly.

 

I found your bbc reference to A-234.  i had to ditch googles, they are blocking some articles.  went with duckduckgo for more information.  there was a bbc article from a while back, seems to be referencing yakovenko's remarks at a press conference from march 22.  he explains "A-234" was used by foreign secretary johnson when informing the russian side of the 24-hour ultimatum to respond.

 

you can find the full text of the speech here, scroll down to "march 12": Ambassador Yakovenko introductory remarks at the press conference 22 March 2018

https://www.rusemb.org.uk/fnapr/6429

 

 

he further called into question the timing of the announcements, remarking on how it was possible for the british side to determine the type and origin of the substance used unless they themselves maintained stocks.  from cnn:

 

Russian envoy: 'Highly likely' Britain had nerve agent used in spy attack

https://edition.cnn.com/2018/03/22/europe/russia-reaction-uk-spy-intl/index.html

 

is the russian ambassador lying about johnson's statement?  seems awfully fast to have determined the exact version of agent, as the experts at the opcw will take 2-3 weeks.  still, if the exact version were known, and already communicated to the russians, why hide it?  that speech to parliament would have been a real blockbuster if only dear leader had included the exact type of agent.  however that would have gone against the legal document from porton down filed in the court petition to draw blood much later, the only real bit of evidence so far, that simply said the test was positive for something similar.

 

 

To quote from a previous post of yours....

 

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no one here is following a kremlin script, as far as i know

 

[Grouse]

It's a gas. Think about it

 

There will be versions which are liquids or solids at STP. But, the fact remains that this compound is a gas at STP.