Thai Army tells trainers to end mistreatment of recruits

[webfact]

Army tells trainers to end mistreatment of recruits

By The Nation

 

 

Stung by public revelations about recruits being mistreated, the Royal Thai Army has instructed its conscript trainers to mete out punishment strictly according to regulation and to prohibit photos and videos during training.

 

Army chief assistant General Weerachai Inthusopon on behalf of the Army chief signed an “urgent” memo to all units on March 20 that Isranews Agency published on Monday.

 

It bars from social media any photos and videos of weapons being used, punishments being carried out and images of soldiers considered “inappropriate”.

 

Units were instructed to put new recruits through appropriate exercise regimens and ensure their living conditions were hygienic and that they received sufficient food supplements and minerals.

 

Any punishment of conscripts who violate regulations must adhere to Defence Ministry guidelines, which prohibit physical assault and the use of obscene language in an attempt to bully the offenders.

 

Supervising officers using such tactics would face disciplinary action including dismissal from service and criminal prosecution, the memo said.

 

Taking photos or videos of training, weaponry and recruits being punished, as well as inappropriate images of soldiers shared on social networks, would violate the Military Disciplinary Act 1933 (BE 2476).

 

Isranews Agency expressed the belief that the memo, with its emphasis on ending physical assault as a means of punishing military conscripts, as seen in previously released images that top officers insist originated years ago, was aimed at restoring the Army’s reputation.

 

Source: http://www.nationmultimedia.com/detail/national/30345426

 

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[KiwiKiwi]

Mistreatment of subordinates is endemic in primitive civilisations. It stems from nature and can often be seen in the wild.

 

You can't polish a toid.

[Anak Nakal]

5555555555555!

They not end, they hide! Coward.

5555555555555!

[Lupatria]

In other words, they were aware of the problem for a looong time but preferred to ignore it.

[kevvy]

Are we talking about schools too.The punishment there is the same ...

[Bob12345]

Strictly prohibit mistreatment, and at the same time strictly prohibit collection of evidence of mistreatment.

Sounds like the standard Thai approach to me.

[ersl]

What about double billing at the MESS?

 

[leeneeds]

Getting into the 21st centuary at last, 

[marko kok prong]

What,the end of full metal jacket training,no,surely recruits would miss lines like;

"how tall are you soldier"

"er,6ft sarge"

"i didn't know they stacked shit that high"

or this gem," if you were ass F****** your buddy you would'nt even have the common decency to give him a reach around".

[Lupatria]

           

[CeeGee]

It bars from social media any photos and videos of weapons being used, punishments being carried out and images of soldiers considered “inappropriate”.

Taking photos or videos of training, weaponry and recruits being punished, as well as inappropriate images of soldiers shared on social networks, would violate the Military Disciplinary Act 1933 (BE 2476).

 

Do what you like but make sure no one makes a record of it

Edited May 15, 2018 by CeeGee

[Juan B Tong]

No changes expected, only no video/photos for evidence.

 

[mark131v]

Did we really believe these cowardly hypocrites would do anything to change the abuse of recruits????

 

To those in power these conscripts are less than nothing, they are completely irrelevant and the only thing that concerns powers that be is loss of face if people start asking questions 

 

As has been previously stated by other posters this has zero to do with doing the right thing and everything to do about hiding their practices thus avoiding scrutiny and embarrassing questions

 

The people in power here and the RTA are truly beneath contempt and completely lacking in moral's, simply put they are a complete disgrace with no redeeming features....

[bangrak]

Sorry, dear(?) military authorities, every of the far too many times a recruit has died because of maltreatment, it is a general raise-of-shields from your side: from the: 'he did it to himself', 'he provoked it', over: 'it is not true', 'it never happened', or an, in fact, nowhere more positive for the guy who lost in life at the sadistic(!) hands of your instructors, ...and their posses of 'ancients': 'it is not systematic', 'it was an accident'.

And now you come up with this: 'Thai army tells trainers to end mistreatment of recruits', you dare to come up with this?

You not even shoot yourself in the foot with this, you shoot your whole leg off, ...when you would still have any (not gangrened?) one to stand on!

You admit to have been LYING your heads off, generations long, and still today, without a blink of an eye?! 

You do really expect all Thais to go on swallowing all your BS forever, don't you?

How many, from your criminal trainers, ...to the members of the top of your big-brass aeropage RESPONSIBLE for tolerating (wasn't there recently a quite  telling answer from Gen Prawit, as def. min., about this matter, erm ...?) these crimes have been or will be brought in front of military AND criminal Courts to respond about their criminal behaviour and its consequences?

None! And I bet none to come any soon!

Nough said about you! No Honour! 

 

 

Edited May 15, 2018 by bangrak

[hansnl]

2 hours ago, KiwiKiwi said:

Mistreatment of subordinates is endemic in primitive civilisations. It stems from nature and can often be seen in the wild.

 

You can't polish a toid.

Mistreatment and abuse of conscripts is inherent to any military unit.

It is very difficult to learn discipline if you have never ever been subjected to discipline.

 

[KiwiKiwi]

23 minutes ago, hansnl said:

Mistreatment and abuse of conscripts is inherent to any military unit.

It is very difficult to learn discipline if you have never ever been subjected to discipline.

 

Don't agree. I was in the army for a while when younger. Nobody beat the bejasus out of me, and I probably deserved it. No reason why my experience should be typical though I suppose.

 

I think the point is moot about being unable to learn discipline unless subjected to assault. That can't possibly be right surely?

 

My point remains however that the more primitive a society, the more violent it tends to be, and violence towards others considered subordinate does tend to define the Thai, in my experience and observation.

 

 

Edited May 15, 2018 by KiwiKiwi

[bluesofa]

5 hours ago, webfact said:

Army tells trainers to end mistreatment of recruits

Seeing the headline above, I can't help but being reminded of the Monty Python "Bruce" sketch:

"No member of the faculty is to maltreat the "Abos" in any way whatsoever—if there's anyone watching."

 

[lvr181]

4 hours ago, leeneeds said:

Getting into the 21st centuary at last, 

No, not really. Maybe completing their time in Thai 1.0 - but a long way to go to obtain Thai 4.0. competency (that some avidly believe in). 

[Billy Bloggs]

It may not always be the instructors, if someone keeps stuffing up and the platoon keeps getting extras, the other recruits may take matters into their own hands or if they have a filthy little grub with no hygiene values you may find him with a broom thru his shirt hung up in the shower stalls just sayin.

[Cadbury]

8 hours ago, webfact said:

"......and to prohibit photos and videos during training".

That fixes it. No photos and no videos of incriminating evidence during training.

Problem gone, Thai style.

[Lucky mike]

Bastardisation is part and parcel of armed forces !  Will it stop no....

[anon4637435435]

Does disciplining kids in this manor help? The way i look at it if it were me and i was a kid i would be filled with rage and given the chance give the bully a reality check.

Its sending the wrong messege. Respect is earnt not given. I learnt this at an early age just with kid bullies and bad school teachers. If i saw them now!!. This behavior is just childish and prehistoric. If a army conscripts dont naturally want to fight for their country and needs to be scared in to doing so i guess theres something wrong.

Thailand only needs an army to control civillians anyway. Is not a real army.

 

[JAG]

If you rely on your soldiers fighting because they fear their NCOs and Officers, you will be in for a bit of a shock if you come up against a real enemy, 'cos that is usually more scary...

[Sir Dude]

They would be better off making the Thai army a professional volunteer one with a good deal for recruits...but then again, there wouldn't be any gardeners or slaves for inactive high ranking officers anymore.

[Artisi]

They (Thai army) can tell who ever they like, but if nobody is listening - what's the point. Carry on chaps.

[JAG]

2 minutes ago, Sir Dude said:

They would be better off making the Thai army a professional volunteer one with a good deal for recruits...but then again, there wouldn't be any gardeners or slaves for inactive high ranking officers anymore.

You wouldn't need the staggering number of Generals either, - one for each Division, and a slack handful for various staff jobs and arms directorates - say 45 or so. 

[Artisi]

1 hour ago, Cadbury said:

That fixes it. No photos and no videos of incriminating evidence during training.

Problem gone, Thai style.

See, it was an easy fix, done and dusted.

[DJ54]

As long as not abusive it’s good and prepares you life. I served in late 60s and survived. Most the time it makes a person a better person OR Pushes them over the edge

[bluesofa]

1 hour ago, Cadbury said:

That fixes it. No photos and no videos of incriminating evidence during training.

Problem gone, Thai style.

Yes, we have a problem, to solve it   - just run away from it!

 

[baboon]

4 hours ago, Billy Bloggs said:

It may not always be the instructors, if someone keeps stuffing up and the platoon keeps getting extras, the other recruits may take matters into their own hands or if they have a filthy little grub with no hygiene values you may find him with a broom thru his shirt hung up in the shower stalls just sayin.

Well hey, how about this: Just do not force youngsters into the military in the first place. If they want to join then great. If they don't just leave them be.

Conscription is nothing but slavery and should be ended.