Paying Thai Women To Have Your Child

[shane]

Is paying a thai women to be saragent mother unheard of in thailand? My girlfriend and i are finding it difficult to find answers. If anyone has any information on this it would be much appreciated.

[p_brownstone]

Is paying a thai women to be saragent mother unheard of in thailand? My girlfriend and i are finding it difficult to find answers. If anyone has any information on this it would be much appreciated.

The word is “surrogate” Shane .

In Thailand I can think of so many problems you would face in trying to:

1) Find a surrogate mother in the first place

and

2) Enforce any “contract” you (thought you) had with the mother without opening yourself up to endless demands for other payments etc.

and

3) Arranging the necessary paperwork with Thai authorities and your own Embassy

that I would strongly suggest you forget the whole idea.

Patrick

[britmaveric]

Why?

I've seen it done between sisters.

[buriramboy]

you thought about adoption instead?

BB

[Briggsy]

Whose ovum, Shane?

[shane]

Whose ovum, Shane?

The surrogate mothers.

Has anyone ever heard of this happening in Thailand?

[think_too_mut]

Whose ovum, Shane?

The surrogate mothers.

Has anyone ever heard of this happening in Thailand?

Why don't you try it in your own country? Why in Thailand where you know noone and may have never been to?

Want it on the cheap? You think it will be cheap?

Then consider : to get someone to do it for you, you can advertise. Doctors in hospitals can tell you a specialized publication where that can be done, if not simply in parenting magazines (in English or you have to get someone to make it in Thai and receive replies, if any).

If someone responds, if it the price is lower - then other costs (coming to Thai or living there for a while, hospitals, doctors, then coming again, then again) would make it expensive in the end.

Providing the surrogate mother is genuine. Good chance a gang around her would skin you alive with the cost.

Poor women who might do that for money won't come accross your ad, even if you placed it under their nose. Some "agent" might and get you in for a high jump while doing activity that becomes illegal when you request your name on the birth certificate.

Whoever gives birth owns the baby that moment and goes into the baby's papers. Some bribery in hospitals/registars upcountry might fix that - but also makes you a criminal.

Even if all goes the way you want, how do you think to take the baby out of the country? The baby has never entered Thailand on any document.

That may see you packed for Bangkok Hilton where you may have years on your hands to rethink your strategy.

[Amonik]

Whose ovum, Shane?

The surrogate mothers.

Has anyone ever heard of this happening in Thailand?

Shane, I did IVF in Thailand and I could recommend you a hospital where you can ask about surrogate, I think that it's possible and within the law. PM to tell you the hospital.

[think_too_mut]

It is possible and within the law.

Won't be cheap and the name of the woman that gave birth goes into baby's birth certificate.

It will all have to be surrounded with legal work to make it possible to take the baby out of Thailand.

To get hospitals, just go to bumrungrad.com or samitivej.com, there you can even find names of doctors working in their fertility clinics.

They speak English, call them up and see how you can get explanation (I doubt they will talk you through for hours without a charge). Most likely, you have to be there in person.

[leisurely]

What a peculiar idea. Ask her to throw in a kidney too.

[Boo]

Hmm what a lot of judgment based on a simple question. Who knows why they want a thai donor, maybe the wife is thai & they want a thai/farang child. I don't recall the op asking for ways to do this outside the law either, he specifically said that they could get no straight answer so was asking for guidance but didn't eloborate on their reasons & quite frankly it is no-ones business but their own so can't see why some posters need to pick holes in it.

OP hopefully you can get the info you need from the couple of useful replies so far & I would also suggest consulting a lawyer specialising in adoption/family law to guide you through the legal frame work.

[think_too_mut]

Hmm what a lot of judgment based on a simple question. Who knows why they want a thai donor, maybe the wife is thai & they want a thai/farang child.

Who said "donor"?

They want a surrogate mother - which means - a fertilized egg taken into her uterus to carry it for 9 months and give birth. And that to happen in Thailand, with a Thai woman.

I don't recall the op asking for ways to do this outside the law either

What is most likely not by the law is - to avoid "surrogate" mother's name in the birth certificate. And OP specifically asked for that. In Australia, that is not possible.

so was asking for guidance but didn't eloborate on their reasons & quite frankly it is no-ones business but their own so can't see why some posters need to pick holes in it.

True....unless you post it on an open board for anyone who wants to read. You do that to get some comments, OK?

[Boo]

Iif he doesn't know the law then how will he know that the thai mothers name cannot be on the certificate, which I beleive was why her was asking. I also can't read in his OP that he was from Austrralia so why would the law there be applicable here??

Also if the egg isnt the thai womens & she is only the carrier then then law for diferent countries also differ, he later clarified that he wished to have a donor egg, so yes, donor.

He asked for advice but not to be attacked or assumptions made about his motives. So, do you know of any places or the actual procedure or just posting to make an issue over nothing?

[Tyree D.]

I want a Thailand baby too

[think_too_mut]

Iif he doesn't know the law then how will he know that the thai mothers name cannot be on the certificate, which I beleive was why her was asking. I also can't read in his OP that he was from Austrralia so why would the law there be applicable here??

Also if the egg isnt the thai womens & she is only the carrier then then law for diferent countries also differ, he later clarified that he wished to have a donor egg, so yes, donor.

He asked for advice but not to be attacked or assumptions made about his motives. So, do you know of any places or the actual procedure or just posting to make an issue over nothing?

I said what I know for sure, how it is in Australia.

According to one case a few years ago, when a woman, a surrogate mother, who carried and gave birth to a baby conceived by a couple who paid for that (they had a series of miscarriages, could not go through the pregnancy) decided to keep the baby, the law let her do that. Then, it is like that in the US too.

If the egg is woman's then, that's not a surrogate mother. That's IVF, a completely different story. Then, the fertilized egg, in this case, goes into farang woman's uterus, she can walk away and never think of the donor.

The OP could not spell "surrogate", then turned into IVF, it is not clear now what the OP wants. IVF or surrogate? Could be the OP does not know what to ask.

And about useful information, following one of my posts one can find places, names, phone numbers, email addresses where to inquire. I don't know what is more useful than that.

Finally, in my previous life I went through 7 IVFs.

[lannarebirth]

Surrogacy Bill's draft hits early problems

An attempt by the Council of State to regulate surrogate motherhood suffered a setback when the first draft of its Surrogacy Bill was strongly criticised by experts.

Concerns about the rights of children born by surrogacy, surrogate mothers, prospective parents, morality and social ethics were raised by some of about 50 doctors, legal experts and feminists who attended a forum.

"Currently, we have many social problems caused by many natural-born children. I am afraid children born through medical technology would create bigger social problems," said Wicha Mahakhun, former chief of the Children and Youth Division of the Supreme Court.

While agreeing that the country needs a law to control the use of advanced medical science, Wicha believes the process to draw up such a law should not be rushed.

The idea to draw up the Surrogacy Bill was initiated by Akrathorn Jurarat when he was secretary-general of the Council of State about five years ago. At that time, the council ruled that a couple were not the legal parents of a child born by surrogacy.

"Don't ask whether it is too fast [for the country to have this kind of law]; the fact is that surrogacy has happened. The law will not only protect surrogate children, but also put order in society," said Dr Witoon Ungpraphan, a senior doctor who was president of the committee to draw up the Surrogacy Bill.

Under the bill, a woman could legally carry a baby for another couple, but payments to a broker and the woman would be illegal and the surrogacy agreement would not have legal standing in court. Only the payments of medical expenses would be allowed.

A couple who asked another woman to carry a baby might not be the owners of egg and sperm but would be legal parents of the child, while the woman who carried the baby has an obligation to relinquish the baby to the couple.

"The purpose was to eliminate commercial surrogacy," said Nandana Indanond, a judge of the Intellectual Property Court, who was the bill drafter. Nandana said before drafting the bill he and his team studied surrogacy law in the United States, the United Kingdom, France, Germany and Australia.

The bill does not include punishment for those who provide or are involved in commercial surrogacy.

During two hours of discussion about the bill, many concerns and potential problems were voiced. If a couple who asked another woman to carry their baby divorced or died before the baby was born, can the baby be terminated? Can the child have the right to choose who to stay with - the genetic parents, surrogate family, or social parents (the couple who got eggs and/or sperm from donation and asked another woman to carry the child as the couple's own baby)?

Sukanya Rattananakin, an attorney, said the bill only protected the rights of a couple who asked another woman to carry their baby, while ignoring the rights of the surrogate baby.

A Medical Council representative said the bill should provide more details about surrogacy - for example, the qualifications of the couple who can ask another woman to carry their child.

Wicha recommended that a national organisation be set up to control surrogacy.

Nandana said all recommendations and criticism would be considered when he revised the bill before making it available for public hearing in May. The bill must be completed and presented to the Council of State in June.

Pennapa Hongthong

The Nation

http://www.nationmultimedia.com/2007/01/15...es_30024144.php

[dieter1]

IVF = in vitro fertilisation , "surrogate" Mother is something else !!

In my country its not allowed ("surrigate mother") . It´t criminal to do it !

There are a lot of ethic problems and this is not just all theoretical!

Nobody knows, what the kids will say to this when they grow up.

Some mothers (why surrogate ? I would call the parents "surrogate" who take the baby away from a mother, given birth to them) , who thought before, they can give away, dont want to do it, when the baby is allready there. And thats quite normal!

It´s not ok to give birth to a a child and give it away. Who don´t understand this, should never have a baby !!

It´s not ok do do everything just because you can do it! Mostly you can do it, just because someone is making big profit with this. And even, if the woman will give you the baby, she may suffer a very deep trauma doing this. And many would just do it, because they need the money or because the aggreed to do it before.

Ok, you can do many things. But you may become guilty for doing it !

My advice: For your own sake, and for the mother and the baby: Don´t do it !

I give you this advice without financial interests. Most people who will give you advice and are doing this business are earning money with this matter!

[PattayaParent]

Even if all goes the way you want, how do you think to take the baby out of the country? The baby has never entered Thailand on any document.

That may see you packed for Bangkok Hilton where you may have years on your hands to rethink your strategy.

There's millions of babies been born in Thailand that have never entered the country on any document.

[think_too_mut]

Even if all goes the way you want, how do you think to take the baby out of the country? The baby has never entered Thailand on any document.

That may see you packed for Bangkok Hilton where you may have years on your hands to rethink your strategy.

There's millions of babies been born in Thailand that have never entered the country on any document.

Very clever.

How could I take my daughter out of Thailand on Australian passport issued in Bangkok (no stamps) without mother being present or court or whatever document?

(providing the mother had been cooperative during the citizenship and passport process).

[Groongthep]

Whose ovum, Shane?

The surrogate mothers.

Has anyone ever heard of this happening in Thailand?

There seems to be some misunderstanding of terms. A surrogate mother is a woman who carries the fertilized egg of another couple in her womb when for some medical reason the natural mother i.e.) the woman who donates the ovum (egg) cannot do so herself. The baby is simply carried by the surrogate until the child is born. The natural genetic parents of the child are the two donors of the fertilized egg.

If the ovum comes from the woman carrying the baby she is not a surrogate. She is the mother of the child.

[twschw]

^^ Very well said.

Edited March 2, 2009 by twschw

[think_too_mut]

What the OP wants is possible, legal and easier than elsewhere - in India.

The Sydney Morning Herald had a story (sorry, I can't retrieve it) where 2 gay men made a contracvt with an Indian woman to conceive (with a supplied fertilized egg) and deliver the baby.

On the birth certificate was only one name - of one of the men. There was some serious screening beforehand to ensure the woman is not a disadvantaged slum dweller .

One artice I found is - like this.

Edited March 2, 2009 by think_too_mut

[submaniac]

^^ Very well said.

I cannot add to this discussion. However, twschw--->your avatar is disturbing, yet I am hypnotized by it.

Edited March 2, 2009 by submaniac

[dieter1]

if the ovum is from the "surrogate mother", she is nothing like a surrogate! She is the real mother both because she give birth and because she is the genetical mother ! So nothing to allow the word "surrogate".

In fact, most times it is just buying the a child from a poor mother ! Do you realy dont get it, what it is wrong about this?

YOU have to explain this to the child when it is grown up. ("We take you from your real mother, cause we could afford it (had the power/the money) and cause she was poor (uneducated, living in a third world country, had dark skin ...)"

Or are you realy thinking of never telling the child, who is its real mother?!

In my country, everyone has the right to get to know this !

Think about it ! Think a lot !

[Mario2008]

Dieter1, your comments are welcome, but realize this thread is 2 years old.

[unforgiven]

Is paying a thai women to be saragent mother unheard of in thailand? My girlfriend and i are finding it difficult to find answers. If anyone has any information on this it would be much appreciated.

The word is “surrogate” Shane .

In Thailand I can think of so many problems you would face in trying to:

1) Find a surrogate mother in the first place

and

2) Enforce any “contract” you (thought you) had with the mother without opening yourself up to endless demands for other payments etc.

and

3) Arranging the necessary paperwork with Thai authorities and your own Embassy

that I would strongly suggest you forget the whole idea.

Patrick

This is true if you find the wrong person .But I'll bet there are plenty of single women in their mid 30's (husbang left them)that have 3or 4 (enough for themselves) children and would seriosly consider doing it for the sake of the other children.If you pay her well say $20,000 US you might be suprised at the results.But she'd have to agree to fly to your home country for delivery. :It's happenning in Quebec canada all the time.It's been in the news paper recently. Philipino ,Vietnamese, Thai's have been comming here on tourist visa's and having babys here and leaving them with their husbands (doners) .So it is being done and the canadian government does not like it.

Edited March 3, 2009 by unforgiven

[astral]

Impregnating another woman with your semen is not all the same as having her act as a surrogate mother.

Think you need to look at this whole subject very carefully before proceeding

[dieter1]

" the thread is 2 years old."

yes, and I wonder, why I did it start again ?! ;-)

[snoks007]

Hi we used surrogacy thailand, they where amazing and provided all the treatment we required, our surrogate is now pregnant and in two months our baby will be born , give them a try ....

Is paying a thai women to be saragent mother unheard of in thailand? My girlfriend and i are finding it difficult to find answers. If anyone has any information on this it would be much appreciated.