UK counter-terrorism chief says two people in Wiltshire poisoned with Novichok nerve agent

Reuters Staff

 

Police officers guard outside a branch of Boots pharmacy, which has been cordoned off after two people were hospitalised and police declared a 'major incident', in Amesbury, Wiltshire, Britain, July 4, 2018. REUTERS/Henry Nicholls

 

AMESBURY, England (Reuters) - Britain’s counter-terrorism chief said on Wednesday that two people who are critically ill in hospital in Wiltshire were exposed to the Novichok nerve agent, the same toxin that was used in an attack on ex-Russian spy Sergei Skripal.

 

The man and woman, both British, were found unwell at a house in Amesbury on Saturday, close to Salisbury where Skripal and his daughter were poisoned with nerve agent in March.

 

(Writing by Kate Holton and Michael Holden; editing by Guy Faulconbridge)

 

-- © Copyright Reuters 2018-07-05

Well, the nerve of them!

Speculation is now that this may be an exposure either due to materials or agent being dumped before or after the intended attack or materials or agent touching something during preparation.

 

It looks like the couple, who live in Amesbury but had recently been to Salisbury, have no links to Russia and have no reason to be targetted.

1 hour ago, Credo said:

Well, the nerve of them!

Probably part of a group of people who were selling this substance. There were all nerve agents.

 

Incredible coincidence that Newsnight just happened to wheel out this show about the Skripals at the same time as the Amesbury Mystery!

 

BBC Newsnight

Published on 4 Jul 2018

 

Edited July 5, 20188 yr by Topdoc

And Trump thought that he would dominate all the news at the NATO meeting next week. Now the NATO members will be talking about concerns with Russia and Putin, using dangerous chemical weapons on British citizens and the need for more sanctions against Russia and Putin.

trump will, as required, ask Putin if he had anything to do with the latest chemical agent event.

Putin will say "no".

trump will say, "okay, thank you Vlad".

trump will report this affirmative answer to the world, portrayed as the Gospel truth.

Why? Because Vlad denied it and he certainly doesn't want to offend Vlad.

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In a few weeks time those people from Amesbury will look like this. 

5 hours ago, Topdoc said:

In a few weeks time those people from Amesbury will look like this. 

 

Oh the magic, can we all have tracheotomy scars?

8 hours ago, neeray said:

trump will, as required, ask Putin if he had anything to do with the latest chemical agent event.

Putin will say "no".

trump will say, "okay, thank you Vlad".

trump will report this affirmative answer to the world, portrayed as the Gospel truth.

Why? Because Vlad denied it and he certainly doesn't want to offend Vlad.

Who gives a crap what either of those turds think ?

19 minutes ago, trainman34014 said:

Who gives a crap what either of those turds think ?

Because they are in charge of arguably the 2 most powerful countries in the world?

So maybe this (the first one) wasn't the Russians after all (as origin could not be determined) and is some a**wipe with a chemistry set playing around with recipes found on the dark net.

 

Russians, Brits and Americans have been at the forefront of manufacturing nerve agents for 70 years. They do not mess about. The nerve agents they produce do not 'make you sick' or 'make you unconscious" they kill you stone dead in minutes if not quicker.

 

There is a fishy smell about the entire saga now in both incidents.

Edited July 5, 20188 yr by Andaman Al

10 hours ago, Andaman Al said:

So maybe this (the first one) wasn't the Russians after all (as origin could not be determined) and is some a**wipe with a chemistry set playing around with recipes found on the dark net.

 

Russians, Brits and Americans have been at the forefront of manufacturing nerve agents for 70 years. They do not mess about. The nerve agents they produce do not 'make you sick' or 'make you unconscious" they kill you stone dead in minutes if not quicker.

 

There is a fishy smell about the entire saga now in both incidents.

So it was just coincidence that the first victim was a Russian agent?

Don't believe that.

Just now, stevenl said:

So it was just coincidence that the first victim was a Russian agent?

Don't believe that.

I don't know, but much more importantly neither do any of the professionals conducting the investigation.

 

If it was the Russians, then all the years I spent in the military doing decontamination drills against Russian nerve agents was a waste of my life as what they were producing was amateur to say the least. What I do know is that none of it adds up and when you get that feeling in your gut, especially where Governments are involved my only advice is ...trust it.

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https://www.gov.uk/government/speeches/amesbury-nerve-agent-incident

 

https://www.gov.uk/government/speeches/chief-medical-officer-on-the-amesbury-nerve-agent-incident

For what it's worth, according to the BBC news, police in the UK are now saying the couple were exposed to the nerve agent after handling a contaminated item.

 

The BBC's security correspondent, Gordon Corera

 

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... said the most likely hypothesis was the Novichok was left over from an item discarded after the attack on the Skripals.

 

I keep smelling BS in this news story, just like before. Every expert says a few drops of this agent is enough to kill a few blocks full of people. However not only does it not kill, it seems on the photos from BBC that British police seems to have developed immunity to it. The fact that is happening all the time so close to Porton Down lab is already a flag. Skripal was a drug addict (can google it) the new couple, the guy is a registered heroin addict. 

3 hours ago, Scott said:

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Apologies for copying some text from the Daily Mail. I don't know if it's allowed to link to this immensely popular newspaper on TV. Anyway, to see what the public think about this latest 'Novichok' incident, the comments section is under the articles in the Daily Mail. It looks like about 75% of the public are not buying the story! 

2 hours ago, sup3r1or said:

I keep smelling BS in this news story, just like before. Every expert says a few drops of this agent is enough to kill a few blocks full of people. However not only does it not kill, it seems on the photos from BBC that British police seems to have developed immunity to it. The fact that is happening all the time so close to Porton Down lab is already a flag. Skripal was a drug addict (can google it) the new couple, the guy is a registered heroin addict. 

"I keep smelling BS in this news story, just like before. Every expert says a few drops of this agent is enough to kill a few blocks full of people."

 

Yes, a few of us are smelling BS ☹️.

 

If even daily mail readers are sceptical - there's something seriously wrong....

Edited July 6, 20188 yr by dick dasterdly

What kind of BS are you referring to? The principle of Occam's razor tells us that the simplest explanation that fits the known facts is the one to go with. 

 

The simplest explanation for the Skripals' poisoning that fits the evidence we have, is that it was a botched attempt to kill a man the Russians saw as a traitor and who many people think Vladimir Putin was referring to when he said the following in a video released the same year as Skripal was granted asylum in the UK:

 

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"Traitors will kick the bucket," Putin says in the video. "Trust me. These people betrayed their friends, their brothers in arms. Whatever they got in exchange for it, those thirty pieces of silver they were given, they will choke on them."

 

The simplest explanation for this latest incident which also tallies with what we know about it is that the couple handled a vial or syringe discarded after the Skripals' poisoning.

Edited July 6, 20188 yr by GroveHillWanderer