REPORT: TM30 submission in prep for extension of stay - no house book or owner ID

[likerdup1]

Report:

TM30 submission without house book copy or house owner ID Chonburi (Jomtien) Immigration.

 

Issue: I changed rooms since I got my Non Imm "O" Visa and needed to notify immigration of the new address at Desk 10 using a TM30 form and documents.

Problem: I had heard reports that immigration would require copies of the condo owners Tabien Baan (House Book) and copy of the owners ID and I could not get them because I used an agency/condo office to rent the room.

 

To prepare for the 1 year extension of stay to go through without trouble I need to notify immigration of my new address using the TM.30 form and a visit the Desk 10 at Chonburrin immigration to get the receipt of registration of my new address stapled in my passport.

 

Today I successfully submitted a TM.30. at Chonburi (Jomtien) Immigration and got my receipt of registration stapled in my passport. No fine or trouble doing it.

I did NOT have to give a copy of the Tabien Baan (House Book), nor did I have a copy of the owners ID.

 

I had my condo buildings office staff fill out the TM30 and they also supplied me with a formal letter stating that I occupied the condo.

 

I brought

1) my filled out TM30 by condo building office staff

2) The formal signed letter by condo office staff that I reside in the condo

3) My rental lease agreement

4) The usual passport copies they want with most all transactions.

5) I was there on time - within 24 hours of the date on my lease agreement.

 

I submitted the TM30 at Desk 10 on time (today which is the start day on my lease agreement) and all the above documents and was given the receipt of registration stapled in my passport with NO FINE or any trouble.

 

In one month I will apply for my extension of permission to stay on my Non Immigrant "O" Visa for the purpose of retirement using the address I submitted today on my TM30 form and the (TM7), bank letters and document copies required for the extension of permission to stay for purpose of retirement.

[Suradit69]

I've done 11 annual extensions of stay based on retirement at Jomtien without ever filling in a TM.30 or TM.28

 

On 8/10/2018 at 8:11 PM, likerdup1 said:

In one month I will apply for my extension of permission to stay on my Non Immigrant "O" Visa

You no longer have a Non-imm O visa. That's why you need a re-entry permit if you leave the country and want to return. You're extending the permission to stay that you were previously given  by immigrations, not the visa. 

[drtreelove]

11 hours ago, Suradit69 said:

 

You no longer have a Non-imm O visa. That's why you need a re-entry permit if you leave the country and want to return. You're extending the permission to stay that you were previously given  by immigrations, not the visa. 

This is not always the case, unless you had a 90 day visa or are already on extension. A one year Non-Im "multiple entry" visa stays in effect through re-entries, no extension needed until end of first year.  

[elgenon]

 brought

1) my filled out TM30 by condo building office staff

2) The formal signed letter by condo office staff that I reside in the condo

3) My rental lease agreement

4) The usual passport copies they want with most all transactions.

5) I was there on time - within 24 hours of the date on my lease agreement.

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Did you have to make a copy of the receipt from the TM 30?

[Oztruckie]

Maybe someone will correct me if I'm wrong, TM 28 for is only for change of address, TM 30 is for advising immigration your address if you have travelled outside of Thailand, I believe with jomtien immigration, is more than 14 days. 

[delgarcon]

Hopefully someone on here can help me with a simple question and save me another hour of searching. I need to go to Samui immigration by the 21st August to ask for an extension of my Multiple entry non imm "O" visa. what do I need to take with me. As I'm leaving Thailand on the 10th Sept and will hopefully return within the validity of the visa, presumably I wont need a re-entry permit? Thanks in advance for your replies.

[likerdup1]

On 8/12/2018 at 8:51 AM, elgenon said:

 brought

1) my filled out TM30 by condo building office staff

2) The formal signed letter by condo office staff that I reside in the condo

3) My rental lease agreement

4) The usual passport copies they want with most all transactions.

5) I was there on time - within 24 hours of the date on my lease agreement.

______________________________________________________________________________________________

Did you have to make a copy of the receipt from the TM 30?

 

The bottom portion of the TM30 is the receipt of notification.  Its gets torn off of the form by the Immigration Official and stapled into the back of the passport.  This receipt of notification is necessary to have this in order to get an initial permission of extension to stay on a Tourist Visa or in my case, my initial permission of extension to stay on my permission to stay issued on use of my Non Imm "O" retirement visa.

[likerdup1]

On 8/11/2018 at 8:26 PM, Suradit69 said:

I've done 11 annual extensions of stay based on retirement at Jomtien without ever filling in a TM.30 or TM.28

 

You no longer have a Non-imm O visa. That's why you need a re-entry permit if you leave the country and want to return. You're extending the permission to stay that you were previously given  by immigrations, not the visa. 

So, as many people know, often things change at Thai Immigration. Things have changed with the Non Imm "O". retirement visa and issuing of permission to stay in the last few years.

 

It use to be you could get the Non Imm "O" , 90 days permission to stay AND the 1 year extension for a total of 15 months ALL IN THE SAME DAY. I did this myself back in 2012. I then went back to USA and now immigration requires it to be done in a 2 step process. The will NOT allow the 1 year extension to be issued the same day as the 90 day permssion of stay on use of a Non Imm "O"

 

Another thing that has changed is that the 1 year EXTENSION requires a check that the Immigration database has your correct and previously verified address at desk 10 in Jomtien. How do I know this? Because I talked personally with an IO at the 8 desk in Jomtien after I was issued my 90 day permission to stay on use of my Non Imm "O" for purpose of retirement. She told me I would have to go to the 10 desk and verify my address with them. Also people wishing to get a 30 day extension of stay on 60 day permission to stay from use of a Tourist Visa are required to check with desk 10. If the address they have on the form does not match what Immigration has or there is no record at all in the database they are usually fined 1600 baht... there is a long explanation about how this all works which will not be covered here.

 

Yes, of course. It is an extension of permission to stay from the 90 days permission to stay given on use of my Non Imm "O" .. Yes I will need a re-entry permit if I want to leave the country and want to be able to continue my 1  year extension of permission to stay. 

[elgenon]

13 hours ago, likerdup1 said:

The bottom portion of the TM30 is the receipt of notification.  Its gets torn off of the form by the Immigration Official and stapled into the back of the passport.  This receipt of notification is necessary to have this in order to get an initial permission of extension to stay on a Tourist Visa or in my case, my initial permission of extension to stay on my permission to stay issued on use of my Non Imm "O" retirement visa.

I understand. But during the last two trips to Jomtien they told me to go have a copy of the TM 30 receipt made. I was wondering if others had the same experience. So no matter what I bring, I still need to leave to make a copy.. Two times ago, besides that copy an IO wasn't happy with the copy of the departure card. She had me fold it a certain way and copy it. It was of course raining that day. So two trips out in the rain. Thank goodness for the adjacent copy shop. The farang expert couldn't understand what she wanted and why it had to be copied that way. This most recent trip required only the copy of the TM 30 receipt in addition to the list. Just like Forrest Gump said "Immigration is like a box of chocolates........"

[likerdup1]

On 8/17/2018 at 10:51 AM, elgenon said:

I understand. But during the last two trips to Jomtien they told me to go have a copy of the TM 30 receipt made. I was wondering if others had the same experience. So no matter what I bring, I still need to leave to make a copy.. Two times ago, besides that copy an IO wasn't happy with the copy of the departure card. She had me fold it a certain way and copy it. It was of course raining that day. So two trips out in the rain. Thank goodness for the adjacent copy shop. The farang expert couldn't understand what she wanted and why it had to be copied that way. This most recent trip required only the copy of the TM 30 receipt in addition to the list. Just like Forrest Gump said "Immigration is like a box of chocolates........"

Interesting, I have never heard about this but I will, as a precaution, go ahead and make a copy of it also. thank you, now I understand.

[tropo]

On 8/11/2018 at 8:26 PM, Suradit69 said:

I've done 11 annual extensions of stay based on retirement at Jomtien without ever filling in a TM.30 or TM.28

 

You no longer have a Non-imm O visa. That's why you need a re-entry permit if you leave the country and want to return. You're extending the permission to stay that you were previously given  by immigrations, not the visa. 

You always have a Non-Immigrant Category O visa and it doesn't expire. You can't use it to re-enter if it is a single entry, sure, but try getting any extension or re-entry permit without it. You cannot. I still need to show it after 9 years of extensions.

 

 

[tropo]

On 8/16/2018 at 9:17 PM, likerdup1 said:

The bottom portion of the TM30 is the receipt of notification.  Its gets torn off of the form by the Immigration Official and stapled into the back of the passport.  This receipt of notification is necessary to have this in order to get an initial permission of extension to stay on a Tourist Visa or in my case, my initial permission of extension to stay on my permission to stay issued on use of my Non Imm "O" retirement visa.

Have a close look at your slip. I too have a receipt for change of address stapled into my passport. It's a TM.28, not a TM.30. I did not need a house book copy for that, but apparently, I do need it for a TM.30.

[likerdup1]

1 minute ago, tropo said:

You always have a Non-Immigrant Category O visa and it doesn't expire. You can't use it to re-enter if it is a single entry, sure, but try getting any extension or re-entry permit without it. You cannot. I still need to show it after 9 years of extensions.

 

 

Copy of the used visa is need as documentation but you'll notice it is stamped "USED" on the day the permission to stay was issued so what is actually happening, and I believe that this is the case, is that you are continually extending your permission to stay on the USED Non-Imm Category O for purpose of retirement.

[likerdup1]

4 minutes ago, tropo said:

Have a close look at your slip. I too have a receipt for change of address stapled into my passport. It's a TM.28, not a TM.30. I did not need a house book copy for that, but apparently, I do need it for a TM.30.

No, mine was a TM.30 and I did not require a house book or owner ID. The receipt stapled in my passport was the bottom portion of the TM.30

[tropo]

13 minutes ago, likerdup1 said:

Copy of the used visa is need as documentation but you'll notice it is stamped "USED" on the day the permission to stay was issued so what is actually happening, and I believe that this is the case, is that you are continually extending your permission to stay on the USED Non-Imm Category O for purpose of retirement.

Bingo! That's exactly what you're doing. The "used" stamp is necessary to indicate it can no longer be used for re-entry, but it is a vital part of your subsequent extensions and re-entry permits. I didn't even enter with mine as it was issued by the Jomtien Immigration Office, but they also want to see my initial entry stamp every time I extend or apply for a re-entry permit.

 

[tropo]

Just now, likerdup1 said:

No, mine was a TM.30 and I did not require a house book or owner ID. The receipt stapled in my passport was the bottom portion of the TM.30

Well, that is interesting, as I didn't bother applying for a TM.30 due to seeing the requirement of "house book" that I couldn't fulfill at the time. Why didn't you just fill out a TM.28, which is all that is required when changing addresses?

[likerdup1]

7 minutes ago, tropo said:

Well, that is interesting, as I didn't bother applying for a TM.30 due to seeing the requirement of "house book" that I couldn't fulfill at the time. Why didn't you just fill out a TM.28, which is all that is required when changing addresses?

simple. Immigration told me to so I can get my extension of permission to stay. It is some fairly new procedure implemented by immigration. The TM.30 is actually for owners and house masters to fill out but to get extension of permission to stay they require that the foreigner be in the database and if they are not, the go after the foreigner at Jomtien/Chonburi to get it accomplished. Desk 10 is dedicated to this TM.30 business at Chonburi from what I can deduce.

[tropo]

12 minutes ago, likerdup1 said:

simple. Immigration told me to so I can get my extension of permission to stay. It is some fairly new procedure implemented by immigration. The TM.30 is actually for owners and house masters to fill out but to get extension of permission to stay they require that the foreigner be in the database and if they are not, the go after the foreigner at Jomtien/Chonburi to get it accomplished. Desk 10 is dedicated to this TM.30 business at Chonburi from what I can deduce.

I reported a change of address on TM.28 in May last year. As far as I know, the procedure hasn't been changed since then. Same desk, same room. I have completed 2 yearly extensions since then. The last one I did a month ago. No one asked for a TM.30.

 

However, I'm pleased you managed to complete a TM.30 without a copy of the owner's house book. I didn't think that was possible as I too rent from an agent and don't have access to those documents.

[elgenon]

15 hours ago, likerdup1 said:

Interesting, I have never heard about this but I will, as a precaution, go ahead and make a copy of it also. thank you, now I understand.

Unfortunately you can't make a copy until they fill it in and stamp it. You'll just have to see if they tell you to make a copy. That's what I mean, no matter how prepared I thought I was I still had to make at least one additional copy of something. Your mileage may vary.

[Suradit69]

On 8/21/2018 at 9:18 PM, tropo said:

You always have a Non-Immigrant Category O visa and it doesn't expire.

No.

The Non-imm O-A that I used to enter 11 years ago is well and truly expired and in my old passport. When I do my extensions of stay I show the stamp they put in my new passport that indicates the date I entered the country on the O-A.

 

Extensions only extend your permission to remain in Thailand. Visas expire  on the date printed on them o, in the case of a single entry visa, as soon as they've been used.

[Suradit69]

On 8/21/2018 at 9:18 PM, tropo said:

You always have a Non-Immigrant Category O visa and it doesn't expire.

 

On 8/21/2018 at 9:29 PM, tropo said:

Bingo! That's exactly what you're doing. The "used" stamp is necessary to indicate it can no longer be used for re-entry, but it is a vital part of your subsequent extensions and re-entry permits.

You're saying it's expired but it is not expired. It has an expiration date on it. That can't be changed.

 

I no longer show the visa I used to enter the country since it's not in the passport I now use. I just show the notation on the stamp they put in my new passport showing when I entered and the visa type used. The visa was not transferred because visas are never transferred. The information about the visa you used is needed, but the visa itself has expired and is useless.

 

The actual visa is expired, used and of no current value other than as a term of a reference made on a rubber stamp in my current passport.

[Suradit69]

On 8/12/2018 at 7:46 AM, drtreelove said:

This is not always the case, unless you had a 90 day visa or are already on extension. A one year Non-Im "multiple entry" visa stays in effect through re-entries, no extension needed until end of first year. 

No one is talking about what's always the case. The O/P is in the country based on a permission to stay granted him by immigrations. He intends to extend that permission to stay. If he had a usable multi-entry non-imm visa why would he be applying for an extension of stay in one month?

[tropo]

4 hours ago, Suradit69 said:

 

You're saying it's expired but it is not expired. It has an expiration date on it. That can't be changed.

 

I no longer show the visa I used to enter the country since it's not in the passport I now use. I just show the notation on the stamp they put in my new passport showing when I entered and the visa type used. The visa was not transferred because visas are never transferred. The information about the visa you used is needed, but the visa itself has expired and is useless.

 

The actual visa is expired, used and of no current value other than as a term of a reference made on a rubber stamp in my current passport.

Right on cue... I was waiting for someone to bring up the new passport case where annotations are made. Obviously, the annotations describe the original non-O visa. I never used the word expired. It was used for a single entry, but still valid for extension purposes until such time as no more extensions are required. At that point, it has expired as it cannot be used again for extension purposes.

[tropo]

4 hours ago, Suradit69 said:

No.

The Non-imm O-A that I used to enter 11 years ago is well and truly expired and in my old passport. When I do my extensions of stay I show the stamp they put in my new passport that indicates the date I entered the country on the O-A.

 

Extensions only extend your permission to remain in Thailand. Visas expire  on the date printed on them o, in the case of a single entry visa, as soon as they've been used.

NO!