U.S. CEOs warn of harm from Trump administration's immigration policy

[vinegarbase]

Like any US citizen should be listening to what a multinational corporation is saying. They have loyalty to no country and only care about making their shareholders as rich as possible. The US has had the most generous immigration policies in the history of the world and then these morons come out and criticize when someone sensible like Trump comes along and wants to try to end fraud, abuse, and criminal actions that are coming from immigration both legal and illegal? Sorry corrupt media the majority of US citizens are waking up to this propaganda and are not buying what you are selling anymore. MAGA!

 

Never forget Mollie Tibbets! 

[spidermike007]

23 minutes ago, attrayant said:

 

It's not just low-wage jobs.  When I ran an agency for the city government, I was constantly looking for software developers.  The positions were fixed at grade 12-14, which is about $65K to $110K.  Almost all applicants were Indian.  Over the course of three years I think I might have had two or three US citizens apply, but they all wanted close to $150K.  It just wasn't in the budget.

 

There you go. And this is coming from someone with direct experience. The quota system is antiquated, and outdated. It needs to be reformed. Legal immigration is desperately in need of reform. People can shout all they want about how illegal immigrants are ruining America. But until legal immigration reform is addressed, nothing will be solved. The wall is never going to be built. The estimates of $15 billion are ridiculous. Closer to $40 billion, or more. 

 

Cost estimates-

President Trump- $12 billion

House Speaker Ryan- $15 billion

Dept. of Homeland Security - $22 billion

Washington Post - $25 billion

Senate Democrats report- $70 billion

 

^*The above figures show the upper estimate when a range was suggested. Costs do not include annual maintenance.

 

That projection does not include land-acquisition costs, though the report notes that costs increase when the federal government has had to go to court. (In one case noted in the document, the government paid $4.7 million for a 3.1-acre parcel for which they initially offered $233,000.) The $66.9 billion figure also does not include the cost of border wall maintenance, which the Committee report estimates could be as high as $150 million a year.

 

Independent estimates have been much higher. A study published in the MIT Technology Review said a 1,000-mile wall would cost from $27 billion to $40 billion. The study estimated $8.7 billion for concrete, $4.6 billion for steel and labor costs at $14 billion to $27 billion. Separately, Bernstein Research calculated $15 billion to $25 billion for labor, land acquisition and construction costs.

In a March presentation to the Senate Homeland Security and Governmental Affairs Committee, officials from Customs and Border Patrol indicated that Trump’s FY 2018 budget would request approximately $2.6 billion to construct fewer than 75 miles of new border wall, according to a release from U.S. Senator Claire McCaskill’s office. The release said that “if the per-mile costs in the 2018 budget request are extrapolated, the barrier often described by the President would come in at a cost of $66.9 billion.”

 

https://www.bloomberg.com/graphics/2017-trump-mexico-wall/how-much-would-the-wall-cost/

 

 

And with regard to these illegal immigrants taking jobs from Americans? Hogwash. 

 

We need these workers not just to fill jobs but to increase productivity, which has diminished sharply. We also need them because the number of the elderly drawing expensive benefits like Medicare and Social Security—the costs of which are paid for by workers’ taxes—is growing substantially. Nearly 44 million people aged 65 or older currently draw Social Security; in 2050 that number is estimated to rise to 86 million. Even undocumented workers support Social Security: Since at least 1.8 million were working with fake Social Security cards in 2010 in order to get employment but were mostly unable to draw the benefits, they contributed $13 billion that year into the retirement trust fund, and took out only $1 billion.

 

https://www.brookings.edu/essay/the-wall-the-real-costs-of-a-barrier-between-the-united-states-and-mexico/

[zydeco]

5 hours ago, simple1 said:

Without access to outsourced workers they would not be competitive

Translation: We demand cheap labor.

[simple1]

55 minutes ago, zydeco said:

Translation: We demand cheap labor.

I get the impression you have not worked within a multinational and understand strategies to stay profitable in order to stay viable to retain FTEs.

[alocacoc]

Like any US citizen should be listening to what a multinational corporation is saying. They have loyalty to no country and only care about making their shareholders as rich as possible. The US has had the most generous immigration policies in the history of the world and then these morons come out and criticize when someone sensible like Trump comes along and wants to try to end fraud, abuse, and criminal actions that are coming from immigration both legal and illegal? Sorry corrupt media the majority of US citizens are waking up to this propaganda and are not buying what you are selling anymore. MAGA!
 
Never forget Mollie Tibbets! 

And Kate Steinle.

Sent from a so called Smartphone using an App.

[riclag]

OP-"This administration did not create a policy of separating families ... What has changed is that we no longer exempt entire classes of people who break the law," she said".

Congress needs to step up!!! Immigration is the number one issue during the elections coming up. CEO's are blaming PT. Congress passes law's,the CEO's should contact their reps .37 million legal imm's since 2000

[bristolboy]

1 hour ago, riclag said:

OP-"This administration did not create a policy of separating families ... What has changed is that we no longer exempt entire classes of people who break the law," she said".

Congress needs to step up!!! Immigration is the number one issue during the elections coming up. CEO's are blaming PT. Congress passes law's,the CEO's should contact their reps .37 million legal imm's since 2000

From the communists at Fox News here is a result from the latest poll:

"And when asked to pick the “most” important issue to their vote, just 10 percent say immigration.  The economy (18 percent), health care (18 percent), which party controls the house (14 percent), and President Trump (13 percent) rank higher.

Border security comes in last place on both measures: 42 percent say it’s “extremely” important to their vote and just 5 percent say it will be the “most” important when casting their vote this November.

Voters who prioritize immigration are more likely to back the Republican candidate in their congressional district this fall by 22 points, while health care voters prefer the Democratic candidate by 42. "

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2018/08/23/fox-news-poll-voters-continue-to-prefer-pathway-to-citizenship.html

[bristolboy]

On 8/25/2018 at 11:25 AM, vinegarbase said:

The US has had the most generous immigration policies in the history of the world and then these morons come out and criticize when someone sensible like Trump comes along and wants to try to end fraud, abuse, and criminal actions that are coming from immigration both legal and illegal? 

 

 

Where is your source for this this falsehood re: "The US has had the most generous immigration policies in the history of the world"

[ravip]

On 8/24/2018 at 9:31 AM, Credo said:

It's not just the low end, but the high end that needs immigrants.   I went to see a specialist in the US not long ago.   The receptionist was Hispanic.   The doctor was from Asia.   The lab tech who drew blood was from Nepal.   

This is due to low wages paid to non-Americans or lack of skilled Americans?

[vinegarbase]

18 hours ago, bristolboy said:

Where is your source for this this falsehood re: "The US has had the most generous immigration policies in the history of the world"

The USA let's in a million permanent residents every year this is well known common knowledge and can be found anywhere. If I am wrong then please tell me a country that let's in more than this? I challenge you please tell me and prove my "falsehood" wrong. Let's see who is really telling lies here or are you afraid to be called out on your BS comments?

[bristolboy]

1 hour ago, vinegarbase said:

The USA let's in a million permanent residents every year this is well known common knowledge and can be found anywhere. If I am wrong then please tell me a country that let's in more than this? I challenge you please tell me and prove my "falsehood" wrong. Let's see who is really telling lies here or are you afraid to be called out on your BS comments?

If by generosity you mean numbers then a true test would be percentage of immigrants in the population. Otherwise you would end up with the absurd judgement that China with about 1.4 billion people and an immigrant population of  978,000  is more generous than Norway with a population of 9.7 million and 740,000 immigrants. 

 

Still by that standard it would be hard to find a country more generous than the United States. In fact you would have to travel all the way to.....Canada. That's right. Canada. 21.6 percent of people living in Canada are foreign born whereas in the USA it's 14.3 percent. And then there's Australia with an immigrant population of 27.7 percent. And New Zealand with 25.2 percent. And Germany with 14.9 percent. And there are plenty of others listed.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_sovereign_states_and_dependent_territories_by_immigrant_population

 

And the US numbers are skewed by the unusually large number of undocumented aliens which amounts to about 1/4 of the total number of immigrants. I don't see how that counts as generosity.

 

And of course your idea of "generosity" is strange. I actually thought by generous you meant is by how well the government treats immigrants, particularly refugees. And in both the number of refugees it admits and the aid it offers, the USA is way way behind lots of other wealthy nations. By your way of thinking, apparently, the US is making a sacrifice of some sort whenever it admits an immigrant. If not, why would the act be generous? Most economists would disagree that authorizing immigrants entry is in itself an act of generosity.