U.S. CEOs warn of harm from Trump administration's immigration policy

[webfact]

U.S. CEOs warn of harm from Trump administration's immigration policy

 

U.S. President Donald Trump speaks before signing an executive order directing federal agencies to recommend changes to a temporary visa program used to bring foreign workers to the United States to fill high-skilled jobs during a visit to the world headquarters of Snap-On Inc, a tool manufacturer, in Kenosha, Wisconsin, U.S., April 18, 2017. REUTERS/Kevin Lamarque

 

(Reuters) - A group of chief executive officers at the largest U.S. companies expressed serious concern about the Trump administration's immigration policy and said the rules increase uncertainty and undermine economic growth.

 

In the letter signed by 59 CEOs including Tim Cook of Apple Inc, JPMorgan Chase & Co's Jamie Dimon and Doug Parker of American Airlines, the executives said that many of their employees were now facing uncertainty due to issues such as 'inconsistent immigration decisions' that would likely curtail work permits for spouses of skilled immigrants.

 

"As the federal government undertakes its legitimate review of immigration rules, it must avoid making changes that disrupt the lives of thousands of law-abiding and skilled employees, and that inflict substantial harm on U.S. competitiveness," the CEOs said in a letter dated Wednesday.

 

The CEOs are a part of the Business Roundtable, which is a lobbying group and is currently chaired by Dimon. While Business Roundtable has been discussing immigration policy for years,

 

the letter was prompted by specific recent regulatory actions taken by U.S. Citizenship and Immigration Services, which is soon expected to revoke work authorization eligibility for spouses.

 

"Together, the USCIS actions significantly increase the likelihood that a long-term employee-who has followed the rules and who has been authorized by the U.S. government multiple times to work in the United States-will lose his or her status," the letter said.

 

"At a time when the number of job vacancies are reaching historic highs due to labor shortages, now is not the time restrict access to talent," the letter added.

 

The government should not change the rules in the middle of the process as it could result in unnecessary costs and complications, the executives said in a letter to the Homeland Security Secretary Kirstjen Nielsen.

 

Nielsen, a Trump appointee, told reporters at a White House briefing on Thursday that the administration was only strictly enforcing the law.

 

"This administration did not create a policy of separating families ... What has changed is that we no longer exempt entire classes of people who break the law," she said.

 

(Reporting by Ankit Ajmera in Bengaluru)

 

-- © Copyright Reuters 2018-08-24

[Tug]

Trump is an ignorant dude we need immigrants at every level in the work force we need to attract talented people and worker bee types not repel them we need to build bridges not walls 

[mtls2005]

4 hours ago, webfact said:

was prompted by specific recent regulatory actions taken by U.S. Citizenship and Immigration Services, which is soon expected to revoke work authorization eligibility for spouses.

 

 

Hmm. Is Donald trying to get out of his pre-nup by sending Melania back to Slovenia?

 

Next thing you know he'll begin deporting anchor babies like Don Jr., Eric and Ivanka.

 

 

[spidermike007]

The entire immigration system is broken in the US. And nobody wants to address fixing the legal immigration system. Many rail against illegal immigration. If they want to come here, they should get visas. Well, they cannot get visas. Only people with money, or political refugees, and a tiny number with great skills can get visas. Yet, the US economy needs these workers. Americans are unwilling to pick fruit, wash dishes, mow lawns, and do alot of menial work for $8 an hour. These people are taking very few jobs away from Americans. That is racist, hyperbolic ranting, not based on facts. And these people contribute more to the economy, than they take, due to the fact that they pay SS and other deductions, and never collect a dollar of that money. The ignorance that Trump is spreading is dangerous. He is the ultimate divider, and hater. A true racist. 

 

 

[UnkleGoooose]

Most of these companies offshore their labor anyway, Cook from Apple is a prime example. This is virtue signalling pure and simple from socialist hypocrites. The only people this will affect are illegals and those who hire them; and that is a good thing.

[Credo]

6 minutes ago, spidermike007 said:

The entire immigration system is broken in the US. And nobody wants to address fixing the legal immigration system. Many rail against illegal immigration. If they want to come here, they should get visas. Well, they cannot get visas. Only people with money, or political refugees, and a tiny number with great skills can get visas. Yet, the US economy needs these workers. Americans are unwilling to pick fruit, wash dishes, mow lawns, and do alot of menial work for $8 an hour. These people are taking very few jobs away from Americans. That is racist, hyperbolic ranting, not based on facts. And these people contribute more to the economy, than they take, due to the fact that they pay SS and other deductions, and never collect a dollar of that money. The ignorance that Trump is spreading is dangerous. He is the ultimate divider, and hater. A true racist. 

 

 

It's not just the low end, but the high end that needs immigrants.   I went to see a specialist in the US not long ago.   The receptionist was Hispanic.   The doctor was from Asia.   The lab tech who drew blood was from Nepal.   

[Mikeasq60]

The companies are worried about there bottom line. Pay illegals low wages, and undercut the American worker. I voted for Trump and will do it again in 2020. All this negative press coming out about President Trump just makes me a stronger supporter. I actually just contributed $100 to his reelection campaign! Russian agent, ya right

[helpisgood]

40 minutes ago, mtls2005 said:

 

 

Hmm. Is Donald trying to get out of his pre-nup by sending Melania back to Slovenia?

 

Next thing you know he'll begin deporting anchor babies like Don Jr., Eric and Ivanka.

 

 

Maybe Don Jr. & Eric, but never darling Ivanka. 

 

Thanks for your post! 

[mtls2005]

The first generation of immigrants may not be physicists or rocket scientists - unless previously employed by the Third Reich - rather they will struggle with the language, and to find their place in America, maybe working lower-end jobs, or starting small businesses. The subsequent generations will end up making their own significant contributions to our society. It's win-win-win, rinse/repeat.

 

I just don't get why people are anti-immigrant/immigration? (I acknowledge their fear, and their bigotry/racism, but don't get that either.)

 

I have no problem granting everyone in the U.S. currently illegally a pathway to citizenship while staying in the U.S.

 

DACA should be done.

 

Going forward I have no problems with quotas, but they shouldn't be based solely on language capability/education, origin country, skin color. This admittedly needs some clarification.

 

 

I think we should take in a million plus refugees annually, from countries we've hosed with our foreign policy and wars, and from those suffering from natural disasters. 

 

I think my thoughts are representative of ~ 40 - 55% the population, based on a passing reading of polls?

[Thailand]

24 minutes ago, Mikeasq60 said:

The companies are worried about there bottom line. Pay illegals low wages, and undercut the American worker. I voted for Trump and will do it again in 2020. All this negative press coming out about President Trump just makes me a stronger supporter. I actually just contributed $100 to his reelection campaign! Russian agent, ya right

I hope it was a legal campaign contribution, they seem to be getting people put in jail if a bit dodgy.

[metisdead]

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[Berkshire]

52 minutes ago, Mikeasq60 said:

The companies are worried about there bottom line. Pay illegals low wages, and undercut the American worker. I voted for Trump and will do it again in 2020. All this negative press coming out about President Trump just makes me a stronger supporter. I actually just contributed $100 to his reelection campaign! Russian agent, ya right

...and Mr. Trump appreciates your $100 contribution.  He needs to pay off another bimbo he had sex with and Lord knows he would rather not use his own money.

[Redline]

Doesn’t his clothing business buy from only other countries, and he hires foreigners for his hotels in order to have cheap labor?

 Yes he does.  The peabrains need to learn that he only does what benefits him.

[billd766]

1 hour ago, Credo said:

It's not just the low end, but the high end that needs immigrants.   I went to see a specialist in the US not long ago.   The receptionist was Hispanic.   The doctor was from Asia.   The lab tech who drew blood was from Nepal.   

 

So that is why there is a shortage of staff in the UK NHS.

[TallGuyJohninBKK]

52 minutes ago, Redline said:

Doesn’t his clothing business buy from only other countries, and he hires foreigners for his hotels in order to have cheap labor?

 Yes he does.  The peabrains need to learn that he only does what benefits him.

 

Some folks are insistent on never letting facts and reality interfere with their deliberate ignorance.

[metisdead]

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[spidermike007]

Who grades themself an A+? The stock market is doing well. But, real wage gains are in negative territory. Trump claimed that when he was campaigning, that Obama was lying about unemployment. He claimed that when you counted all unemployed, the real figure was double digits. I believed that. I felt that was he case. He claimed at one point that real unemployment was close to 30%, if you counted all of the people who stopped looking for work. It is true that the system was being fudged. So, if that was the case, what happened to all of those unemployed? Did Trump mysteriously create 50-70 million jobs in a little over a year? 

 

Obama achieved over 4% economic growth in four different quarters during his presidency. After inheriting a disastrous economic situation from Bush Jr., Obama did a good job rebuilding the economy. There is little doubt about that. More could have been done. The green industry was a wasted opportunity, and he never should have abandoned that. But Trump inherited alot of momentum on the economic front. So, it is a bit premature for him to claim this is all about him, and that if he was impeached fortunes would be lost and many Americans would be poor again. His tax hikes, in the form of massive tariffs, have the potential to really damage the American economy, and growth prospects. His protectionist policies are not helpful to the economy, contrary to what alot of his followers have been made to believe. 

 

This is hyperbolic nonsense, not rooted in fact. Facts? What are they? Remember, truth is not truth. An alternative universe of information is far more desirable when promoting his agenda. 

[mtls2005]

6 minutes ago, spidermike007 said:

Who grades themself an A+?

 

Trust me, that's the only A+ he ever got in his life.

 

That interview was a train-wreck. Rudy Ghouliani is in Scotland playing golf while his client confesses to another crime on TV.

 

 

 

[stevenl]

7 hours ago, UnkleGoooose said:

Most of these companies offshore their labor anyway, Cook from Apple is a prime example. This is virtue signalling pure and simple from socialist hypocrites. The only people this will affect are illegals and those who hire them; and that is a good thing.

Why don't you reread the OP and react to that, in stead of presuming this is about illegal immigration.

[zydeco]

 

 

"Labor Department investigators recently concluded that Cisco Systems Inc.discriminated against U.S. workers by favoring immigrant visa holders for job openings, sources familiar with the probe tell Bloomberg Law."

 

https://news.bloomberglaw.com/daily-labor-report/cisco-cited-for-bias-against-us-workers

[mtls2005]

9 minutes ago, zydeco said:

Labor Department investigators recently concluded that Cisco Systems Inc.discriminated against U.S. workers by favoring immigrant visa holders for job openings, sources familiar with the probe tell Bloomberg Law

 

And they work those H-1B's to the bone, and beyond.

 

The H-2B's are abused as well. And tRUmp's resorts require Americans to apply by FAX, and advertise in odd newspapers, which is required prior to getting an H-2Bs.

 

 

 

Trump's Mar-a-Lago asks Labor for permission to hire 61 foreign workers

 

President Donald Trump often conveys a strong preference for American workers. But as a request from the president's Mar-a-Lago golf club to hire 61 people from abroad demonstrates, putting that preference into practice can prove difficult.

 

The president's Florida resort — which he has promoted as the "Southern White House" — filed requests with the Department of Labor to obtain 61 visas for foreign workers, according to Job Order records posted Thursday by the department's Employment and Training Administration. 

 

The Mar-a-Lago club asked for 40 H-2B visas for servers and another 21 for cooks. The H-2B visa is for "temporary non-agricultural workers."

 

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/onpolitics/2018/07/06/mar-lago-foreign-worker-visas/764053002/

 

 

 

[zydeco]

22 minutes ago, mtls2005 said:

And they work those H-1B's to the bone, and beyond.

So why defend the practice? Of course, it is a form of indentured servitude. Do people think these companies are kind and benevolent, just wanting to help the poor men and women of India (primarily) get a leg up? Just another part of the age old American dream?  Really?  It's all about corporate exploitation. Of US workers primarily--driving down their wages--but also the scab labor imported into the US by so many Indian owned outsourcing companies. Not good for anybody but a very few. Get rid of them.

[mikebike]

9 hours ago, UnkleGoooose said:

Most of these companies offshore their labor anyway, Cook from Apple is a prime example. This is virtue signalling pure and simple from socialist hypocrites. The only people this will affect are illegals and those who hire them; and that is a good thing.

80,000 Apple employees IN the United States... Add the US employees from the other 58 major companies represented, and I think the CEOs understand the tech/employment market better than you.

[mikebike]

9 hours ago, Mikeasq60 said:

The companies are worried about there bottom line. Pay illegals low wages, and undercut the American worker. I voted for Trump and will do it again in 2020. All this negative press coming out about President Trump just makes me a stronger supporter. I actually just contributed $100 to his reelection campaign! Russian agent, ya right

You DO realize the article is about LEGAL immigration, right? Or do you believe Apple employs 80,000 illegals at low wages? ?

[Stargeezr]

T Rump, is still supported by millions of Americans, some who hate him personally, but are happy to see that the rust belt states are doing a bit better, and that most Americans are still at work. Military employees are doing well, I guess, and they have nearly the best medical coverage, except for the rich Americans who can afford a bit better.    I just hope that the mid term elections in November cut into his support, but since

I am not an American, what do I know. Well I know the USA can have our PM if they do not like Pres. Trump anymore. Take Trudeau, Please!!

[Credo]

31 minutes ago, Stargrazer9889 said:

T Rump, is still supported by millions of Americans, some who hate him personally, but are happy to see that the rust belt states are doing a bit better, and that most Americans are still at work. Military employees are doing well, I guess, and they have nearly the best medical coverage, except for the rich Americans who can afford a bit better.    I just hope that the mid term elections in November cut into his support, but since

I am not an American, what do I know. Well I know the USA can have our PM if they do not like Pres. Trump anymore. Take Trudeau, Please!!

I think there are plenty of people who would gladly make you a trade.   You take Trump, the US gets Trudeau.   Trudeau is much more predictable and reasonable.

The US is becoming even more dependent on immigration for several reasons.   First, the health care system is just too broken and too expensive for many employers or employees to pay for health care.   That means ever sicker country (physically).   

 

Second, the cost of higher education is out of control and that means the need to import more people for the high end technical work.   

 

Without a well educated, healthy population, not much gets done efficiently.

 

[simple1]

11 hours ago, zydeco said:

So why defend the practice? Of course, it is a form of indentured servitude. Do people think these companies are kind and benevolent, just wanting to help the poor men and women of India (primarily) get a leg up? Just another part of the age old American dream?  Really?  It's all about corporate exploitation. Of US workers primarily--driving down their wages--but also the scab labor imported into the US by so many Indian owned outsourcing companies. Not good for anybody but a very few. Get rid of them.

Companies such as  CSC, IBM and Anderson employ tens of thousands of outsourced workers in India and some other countries. Without access to outsourced workers they would not be competitive when bidding for contracts. In the bigger picture it is an advantage for US companies and their stockholders as is access to the global supply chain. 

 

Trump Administration business policy decisions truly reflect an idiocracy.

 

[mtls2005]

12 hours ago, zydeco said:

So why defend the practice?

 

Who said I "defend the process"? I most certainly do not. Most of these visa programs were begun with decent enough intentions but have been horribly corrupted, IME/O.

 

H-1B, H-2A, H-2B, EB-5 are the most corrupted, again IMO.

 

 

 

 

[spidermike007]

6 hours ago, Stargrazer9889 said:

T Rump, is still supported by millions of Americans, some who hate him personally, but are happy to see that the rust belt states are doing a bit better, and that most Americans are still at work. Military employees are doing well, I guess, and they have nearly the best medical coverage, except for the rich Americans who can afford a bit better.    I just hope that the mid term elections in November cut into his support, but since

I am not an American, what do I know. Well I know the USA can have our PM if they do not like Pres. Trump anymore. Take Trudeau, Please!!

 

Not true about VA healthcare. The veterans administration has such a back log, that when a soldier comes home, and is trying to deal with the trauma of all of the killing in Iraq and Afghanistan, for wars that make no sense whatsoever, they sometimes have to wait 9 months to get it to see a counselor. The VA is not doing a good job. Not their faults. Their budgets have been cut, due to the desire to purchase new weapons systems and satisfy Trump's defense contractor lobbyists. The soldiers come last. Dead last, after all of the contractors, and lobbyists. They are disrespected to an intolerable degree, after putting their lives on the line for their country. Something Tiny Don will never understand, after enjoying five deferments. This problem has been going on for many years, and Trump has done nothing to improve it. 

 

The problems first surfaced in Phoenix, where the wait to receive care at VA facilities had grown so long that 1,400 to 1,600 sick veterans were forced to wait months to see a doctor. As many as 40 veterans reportedly died because they couldn’t get the care they needed. VA administrators tried to cover up the problems by establishing secret waiting lists and falsifying reports. Even accessing the system can be a major problem. Currently, the case-processing backlog exceeds 344,000 claims. Although the VA says it has a policy of processing claims within 125 days, it actually takes an average of 160 days for a veteran to gain access to his health benefits. Moreover, the VA itself estimates that it has at least a 9% error rate in processing claims. Outside groups claim the error rate is much higher.

 

https://nypost.com/2014/05/16/va-hospital-scandal-no-surprise-for-government-run-healthcare/

[attrayant]

On 8/24/2018 at 10:51 AM, spidermike007 said:

Americans are unwilling to pick fruit, wash dishes, mow lawns, and do alot of menial work for $8 an hour.

 

It's not just low-wage jobs.  When I ran an agency for the city government, I was constantly looking for software developers.  The positions were fixed at grade 12-14, which is about $65K to $110K.  Almost all applicants were Indian.  Over the course of three years I think I might have had two or three US citizens apply, but they all wanted close to $150K.  It just wasn't in the budget.