webfact Posted August 29, 2018 Share Posted August 29, 2018 NACC remains ‘inconclusive’ over purchase of bogus detection devices By THE NATION IT IS difficult for the nation’s anti-graft agency to conclude whether there was any wrongdoing in the Bt1.13-billion purchase of fake “remote substance detectors”, a member of the National Anti-Corruption Commission (NACC) said yesterday. Surasak Keereevichien said it was likely that officials had decided to purchase the devices because they believed the devices would work. “Sometimes, it is not about the value of devices. It’s more about belief, just like when you buy Buddha amulets,” Surasak said. “Officials who used this device found it worth the price. But some people see the price as too high.” The commissioner said his agency would come up with a clear-cut conclusion on the matter “at an appropriate time”. “The NACC will not allow the statute of limitations to expire,” he said. The NACC is investigating the purchase of GT200 and Alpha 6 hand-held devices from a UK-based manufacturer, who claimed these devices could detect explosives and drugs etc from a distance. When asked if a recent court verdict against certain Phitsanulok state officials could serve as a precedent for similar cases, Surasak said the officials were found guilty of purchasing items without authority, not because the devices were unusable. Between 2005 and 2010, 15 state agencies bought 1,398 GT200 and Alpha 6 devices for a combined Bt1.13 billion. After the devices failed scientific tests, the UK government in January 2010 banned their export and warned foreign governments that they were “wholly ineffective”. In February 2010, the government led by Abhisit Vejjajiva ordered scientific tests of the GT200 to verify its claimed effectiveness. The tests found that the GT200’s detection rate was no more effective than random chance. Source: http://www.nationmultimedia.com/detail/politics/30353283 -- © Copyright The Nation 2018-08-30 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Samui Bodoh Posted August 29, 2018 Share Posted August 29, 2018 "...IT IS difficult for the nation’s anti-graft agency to conclude whether there was any wrongdoing in the Bt1.13-billion purchase of fake “remote substance detectors”, a member of the National Anti-Corruption Commission (NACC) said yesterday... ...Sometimes, it is not about the value of devices. It’s more about belief, just like when you buy Buddha amulets,” Surasak said. “Officials who used this device found it worth the price. But some people see the price as too high..." What a load of crap! It is not difficult for the nation's anti-graft agency to conclude that there was wrong-doing, rather it is difficult for the nation's anti-graft agency to name to the culprits as many of them are coup-leaders and high-ranking military and/or civilians. The NACC is once again demonstrating that it is a body with zero credibility, integrity or an ability to prosecute anyone unless they are political enemies of the 'Greens' and 'Yellows'. This blatant embarrassment of a justice system means that Thailand will be known as a third-world country long into the future; a country that cannot prosecute a simple case of stupidity and fraud like this is unable to be taken seriously for any case. It is amazing that a culture/country which places so much emphasis on 'Face" allows itself to be humiliated for the 'protection' of its self-designated leaders. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Damrongsak Posted August 29, 2018 Share Posted August 29, 2018 "... Buddha amulets ..." I only rent Buddha amulets that come with a "lifetime back" guarantee. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluesofa Posted August 29, 2018 Share Posted August 29, 2018 34 minutes ago, webfact said: Between 2005 and 2010, 15 state agencies bought 1,398 GT200 and Alpha 6 devices for a combined Bt1.13 billion. After the devices failed scientific tests, the UK government in January 2010 banned their export and warned foreign governments that they were “wholly ineffective”. The reason they were “wholly ineffective”? Inside the GT200 was just an extremely cheap novelty unit marketed as a "golf ball finder". Not sure which was the bigger con - the GT200 or a Buddha amulet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SABloke Posted August 29, 2018 Share Posted August 29, 2018 1 hour ago, webfact said: “Sometimes, it is not about the value of devices. It’s more about belief, just like when you buy Buddha amulets,” Surasak said. “ Next time Thailand's in a war, I'll send this guy to the frontline with a pellet gun. It's all about belief, right? 1 hour ago, webfact said: “Officials who used this device found it worth the price. But some people see the price as too high.” Difficult to respond to this. Let me just quickly hammer a nail into my head. *tap* *tap* *tap*. Ok, I'm sufficiently dumb enough to respond: "Some people" - well, even the guy who sold it thought the price was high BECAUSE THEY WERE FAKE! And the officials who used them were probably too scared to tell the higher ups that they didn't work. And the higher ups? Well, the current Minister of Something (who gives a shit anymore) famously came out and stated that the devices did in fact work even though the seller admitted they were fake. ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eligius Posted August 29, 2018 Share Posted August 29, 2018 You could not make this stuff up. Idiocy on stilts - and treating the public (as always) as total fools. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
canopy Posted August 29, 2018 Share Posted August 29, 2018 1 hour ago, webfact said: Officials who used this device found it worth the price So a device that cost the country a billion baht and does nothing it claims to do is said to be worth the price results in the statement "difficult for the nation’s anti-graft agency to conclude whether there was any wrongdoing". Yeah that sounds really difficult to figure out. The anti-graft agency should be fired for not doing their job and all their bank accounts investigated. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
canuckamuck Posted August 29, 2018 Share Posted August 29, 2018 What they really should have done was to come up with a bomb detecting amulet. Then nobody could criticize the effectiveness. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coulson Posted August 29, 2018 Share Posted August 29, 2018 2 hours ago, webfact said: “Sometimes, it is not about the value of devices. It’s more about belief, just like when you buy Buddha amulets,” Surasak said Clowns Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PatOngo Posted August 29, 2018 Share Posted August 29, 2018 2 hours ago, webfact said: IT IS difficult for the nation’s anti-graft agency to conclude whether there was any wrongdoing in the Bt1.13-billion purchase of fake “remote substance detectors”, a member of the National Anti-Corruption Commission (NACC) said yesterday. “Officials who used this device found it worth the price. Fake devices were worth the price...………..Yeah.Ok………...We trust you!...……...No graft there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Damrongsak Posted August 29, 2018 Share Posted August 29, 2018 "...more about the belief ..." I believe the GT200 and Alpha 6 devices had a better instant rebate value than the others that worked. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Denim Posted August 29, 2018 Share Posted August 29, 2018 Hey.... Prayuth himself gave them the thumbs up so that should be all the proof the NACC need that everything was above board. When a man of integrity approves of something then you know the NACC will be unable or unwilling to find fault. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alfalfa19 Posted August 30, 2018 Share Posted August 30, 2018 they obviously got a piece of the action. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jerojero Posted August 30, 2018 Share Posted August 30, 2018 It's the nacc that's bogus! What a pathetic bunch. Sheesh! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikebell Posted August 30, 2018 Share Posted August 30, 2018 'Inconclusive' is a synonym for 'whitewash'. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rkidlad Posted August 30, 2018 Share Posted August 30, 2018 2 hours ago, webfact said: Sometimes, it is not about the value of devices. It’s more about belief, just like when you buy Buddha amulets Imagine something like this was said about bogus airport security equipment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluesofa Posted August 30, 2018 Share Posted August 30, 2018 5 minutes ago, rkidlad said: Imagine something like this was said about bogus airport security equipment. It worked for R. Kelly - I Believe I Can Fly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Damrongsak Posted August 30, 2018 Share Posted August 30, 2018 2 hours ago, bluesofa said: ... Inside the GT200 was just an extremely cheap novelty unit marketed as a "golf ball finder". As a techie and former Peace Corps Volunteer, I'm all about "appropriate technology". Also, as a salesman for 20+ years thereafter, I don't blame the company for selling them something to help them find their balls. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluesofa Posted August 30, 2018 Share Posted August 30, 2018 6 minutes ago, Damrongsak said: As a techie and former Peace Corps Volunteer, I'm all about "appropriate technology". Also, as a salesman for 20+ years thereafter, I don't blame the company for selling them something to help them find their balls. Perhaps you could check and see if the PM has found his. IIRC he was in charge of the golf ball finder purchase when he was army chief/whatever position at the time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pornprong Posted August 30, 2018 Share Posted August 30, 2018 Shhhhhh. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spidey Posted August 30, 2018 Share Posted August 30, 2018 Not just Thailand but several countries were "had" by these devices. All appeared to be "third world" countries. Achieved by a slick salesman with a bag of brown envelopes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
d2b2 Posted August 30, 2018 Share Posted August 30, 2018 My head hurts from the giant involuntary eye roll Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nikmar Posted August 30, 2018 Share Posted August 30, 2018 If I buy an amulet and believe hard enough, will it protect me from idiots like this guy? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thaichiro Posted August 30, 2018 Share Posted August 30, 2018 2 hours ago, SABloke said: Next time Thailand's in a war, I'll send this guy to the frontline with a pellet gun. It's all about belief, right? Difficult to respond to this. Let me just quickly hammer a nail into my head. *tap* *tap* *tap*. Ok, I'm sufficiently dumb enough to respond: "Some people" - well, even the guy who sold it thought the price was high BECAUSE THEY WERE FAKE! And the officials who used them were probably too scared to tell the higher ups that they didn't work. And the higher ups? Well, the current Minister of Something (who gives a shit anymore) famously came out and stated that the devices did in fact work even though the seller admitted they were fake. ? The only belief that counts at the NACC is the belief that a bulky brown envelop lies at the end of a ridiculous statement that this “ official” made. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thaichiro Posted August 30, 2018 Share Posted August 30, 2018 Just now, thaichiro said: The only belief that counts at the NACC is the belief that a bulky brown envelop lies at the end of a ridiculous statement that this “ official” made. Oh, and of course, the ever present saving face. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
worgeordie Posted August 30, 2018 Share Posted August 30, 2018 The guy who committed the fraud and sold the useless devices to the Thai government,is well into his prison sentence ,while here they are still trying to cover their <deleted>,by debating wether the devices worked or not. regards worgeordie Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
newatthis Posted August 30, 2018 Share Posted August 30, 2018 2 hours ago, SABloke said: Next time Thailand's in a war, I'll send this guy to the frontline with a pellet gun. It's all about belief, right? Yep!. Could have saved heaps of money on submarines by believing they were Aquaman. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eric Loh Posted August 30, 2018 Share Posted August 30, 2018 4 hours ago, Samui Bodoh said: It is not difficult for the nation's anti-graft agency to conclude that there was wrong-doing, rather it is difficult for the nation's anti-graft agency to name to the culprits as many of them are coup-leaders and high-ranking military and/or civilians. Concur with you 110%. Ahbisit cabinet approved the purchase and probably have their arm twisted since his government was handed to him on a silver platter by the military. General Anupong who is the present Interior Minister signed the procurement order. Any wrong-doing indicted by the NACC will open up an ugly can of worms for those soldiers injured or killed using the faulty equipment. I hope PTP pr FFP will include in their manifesto to bring charges to the NACC President for dereliction of duty and reform the much tainted NACC. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Snow Leopard Posted August 30, 2018 Share Posted August 30, 2018 59 minutes ago, Spidey said: Not just Thailand but several countries were "had" by these devices. All appeared to be "third world" countries. Achieved by a slick salesman with a bag of brown envelopes. Exactly some excess stock getting moved for cents on the $ and then sold at an overinflated price. As the saying goes. Buy cheap buy twice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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