Nurses file complaint over Facebook insults

[snoop1130]

Nurses file complaint over Facebook insults

By Tawatchai Krittiyaworakul 
The Nation

 

 

Several nurses lodged a complaint with police on Friday against a Facebook user who they say is causing damage to the nursing profession.

 

Leading the complainants is Panida Suttiprapa, who is the head nurse at Roi Et Hospital and a representative of the Roi Et Nursing Council. 

 

The complaint was lodged at the Mueang Roi Et Police Station in Roi Et province. 

 

Panida identified the alleged defamer as the Facebook user with the account name of “Win Rueangtinarom”.

 

“This Facebook user has called the head nurse and nurses operating in surgery rooms stupid, and has said nurses have no abilities to dispense drugs,” Panida said. “Apparently, such comments are aimed at humiliating nurses and causing damage to their profession.” 

 

The controversial posts went online after it was reported that the Drug Bill would allow persons not trained as pharmacists to dispense medicines. 

 

“We have studied much of what pharmacists have studied, though we are trained for different functions in the healthcare sector,” Panida said. 

 

She said she would encourage nurses in all provinces to take action against the Facebook user. 

 

“We have resolved to lodge an official complaint because this netizen has continued to ridicule us, even after we have contacted him via Facebook,” she said. 

 

Police say more evidence must be compiled before determining whether this case can go forward in legal process. 

 

Source: http://www.nationmultimedia.com/detail/national/30353449

 

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[Rhys]

Spoken like a true out of touch head nurse... pharmacists definitely have been more thoroughly trained in pharmacology... Stay in yo lane..

Just think... in Thailand and about.. what health professional makes the most medication errors in the hospital setting?

[Antonymous]

Four members of my family are nurses, including my Thai wife. I would most definitely agree that nurses are unqualified to prescribe medications (beyond the most basic painkillers perhaps) and that it would be a dangerous development to allow them to do so. What trained nurses can do very well is to administer medications that have been previously prescribed by a doctor and of course to give support and nursing care to their patients.

 

Doctors are trained to prescribe medications that treat the symptoms of a patient's condition and they are kept up to date on the drug du jour by the pharamaceutical companies who very actively promote their latest concoctions. These drugs don't necessarily 'cure' their patients, some have to be taken for life, and very often the use of one drug that masks one condition leads to the prescription of more drugs to mask the side effects of the original drug. Nurses are only up to date on drugs insofar as they have worked alongside a specialist for a time and learned what he/she prescribes for various evident conditions. They are not trained to understand the underlying cause of a condition, still less to be able to recommend alternatives to drugs that are known outside the mainstream medical profession to effectively cure the problem.

 

I have found that some nurses, especially in Thailand, are more than willing to act as if they are professional health care specialists, or doctors, and to dispense advice to the gullible public. They are NOT. At the BEST all they can do is parrot the latest symptom/treatment protocol used at their place of work. There are also member-only websites related to nursing care that they can look up, but again these relate to nursing care (their actual job) and not to drug prescriptions.

 

Nursing is a wonderful profession and I love them all ... but please beware of any advice given by a nurse which is outside their realm of training and knowledge. Nurses working in the mainstream will always promote allopathic medicine and mainstream theories and will not tolerate alternatives because they have not been trained in alternatives and more importantly to go up against their bosses (doctors) would cost them their job - ESPECIALLY here in Thailand.

 

 

[Expatthailover]

0h yes especially in thailand.

Let us expats make that abundantly clear because we know so much about nursing acumen around tbe world

[Antonymous]

10 minutes ago, Expatthailover said:

0h yes especially in thailand.

Let us expats make that abundantly clear because we know so much about nursing acumen around tbe world

I have two family members who are nurses in the UK and two here in Thailand. Have grown up among people in the medical profession as family and friends (others are doctors). Nurses in Thailand are particularly grenjai to doctors, more so than in the UK, due to their socialisation and cultural mores, as expats here know too well when observing Thai people in the presence of puyai.

[flyingtlger]

In Thailand pharmacists act like medical doctors so it only seem logical that nurses think they can act like pharmacists.....?

 

 

 

 

Edited September 1, 2018 by metisdead
Trolling image removed.

[upu2]

It is not usual for a nurse to prescribe anything. The doctor is the one who puts on the patients sheet what is to be given and how often.

[Maestro]

1 hour ago, Antonymous said:

...I would most definitely agree that nurses are unqualified to prescribe medications...

 

Who claimed that nurses were qualified to prescribe medications?

 

You are agreeing with something that nobody appears to have said. It is a bit like agreeing that nurses are not qualified to perform open heart surgery.

[micmichd]

20 minutes ago, upu2 said:

It is not usual for a nurse to prescribe anything. The doctor is the one who puts on the patients sheet what is to be given and how often.

Have you ever been in a Western hospital? 

There the doctors prescribe you something, the nurses have to supply the drugs, and there's nothing a nurse can do about it. 

It's normal in Western hospitals that you get "sleeping pills", even if you're alredady asleep and maybe allergic against those meds. But a nurse is not allowed to say "no" in the doctor's absence, although it's clear for everyone that waking up someone just to take "sleeping pills" is completely illogical. 

[Antonymous]

29 minutes ago, Maestro said:

 

Who claimed that nurses were qualified to prescribe medications?

 

You are agreeing with something that nobody appears to have said. It is a bit like agreeing that nurses are not qualified to perform open heart surgery.

You are right, the article talks about nurses dispensing medicines, not prescribing.

 

However, I read that to imply that in practice nurses would be in control of decision making regarding the dispensing of medicines. This medicine as opposed to that one, or to none at all for example. And if so, on what basis would they make that decision? Apparently this:

 

“We have studied much of what pharmacists have studied, though we are trained for different functions in the healthcare sector,” Panida said. 

[Hank Gunn]

48 minutes ago, Maestro said:

 

Who claimed that nurses were qualified to prescribe medications?

 

You are agreeing with something that nobody appears to have said. It is a bit like agreeing that nurses are not qualified to perform open heart surgery.

I believe he was responding to the cause of the nurse’s ire which was the Facebook post that was assumedly authored  in response to proposed legislation that would allow nurses to do just that.

 

From the OP:

”The controversial posts went online after it was reported that the Drug Bill would allow persons not trained as pharmacists to dispense medicines.“

[atyclb]

in my experiences with many many pharmacists only a small % are clearly competent.  # requesting anesthetic eye drops they tried to sell me antibiotic eye drops with no anesthetic component.  # seeking medication for acute asthma symptoms they tried to sell me theophylline tablets. they require several days of daily intake to reach therapeutic blood level. many with asthma attacks would die using this medicine as first line.

rubbing alcohol in thailand is  ethanol not isopropyl and pharmacist did not know ethanol alcohol is the same one in alcohol beverages. they must know this since hospitals can stock ethanol to use in detox of alcoholics. 

Edited September 1, 2018 by atyclb

[Media1]

12 hours ago, Rhys said:

Spoken like a true out of touch head nurse... pharmacists definitely have been more thoroughly trained in pharmacology... Stay in yo lane..

Just think... in Thailand and about.. what health professional makes the most medication errors in the hospital setting?

Thailand 

[Bill Miller]

9 hours ago, Antonymous said:

Four members of my family are nurses, including my Thai wife. I would most definitely agree that nurses are unqualified to prescribe medications (beyond the most basic painkillers perhaps) and that it would be a dangerous development to allow them to do so. What trained nurses can do very well is to administer medications that have been previously prescribed by a doctor and of course to give support and nursing care to their patients.

 

Doctors are trained to prescribe medications that treat the symptoms of a patient's condition and they are kept up to date on the drug du jour by the pharamaceutical companies who very actively promote their latest concoctions. These drugs don't necessarily 'cure' their patients, some have to be taken for life, and very often the use of one drug that masks one condition leads to the prescription of more drugs to mask the side effects of the original drug. Nurses are only up to date on drugs insofar as they have worked alongside a specialist for a time and learned what he/she prescribes for various evident conditions. They are not trained to understand the underlying cause of a condition, still less to be able to recommend alternatives to drugs that are known outside the mainstream medical profession to effectively cure the problem.

 

I have found that some nurses, especially in Thailand, are more than willing to act as if they are professional health care specialists, or doctors, and to dispense advice to the gullible public. They are NOT. At the BEST all they can do is parrot the latest symptom/treatment protocol used at their place of work. There are also member-only websites related to nursing care that they can look up, but again these relate to nursing care (their actual job) and not to drug prescriptions.

 

Nursing is a wonderful profession and I love them all ... but please beware of any advice given by a nurse which is outside their realm of training and knowledge. Nurses working in the mainstream will always promote allopathic medicine and mainstream theories and will not tolerate alternatives because they have not been trained in alternatives and more importantly to go up against their bosses (doctors) would cost them their job - ESPECIALLY here in Thailand.

 

 

Especially as most "alternatives" have been proven over and over again to be complete hokum.
The "vaccines cause autism" BS was not started by a nurse. That was one of your "professional health care specialists". None of the "alternatives" you apparently espouse have the efficacy of vaccination in preventing a large number of deadly diseases. Your entire platform is suspect if you are advocating such "alternatives" in the place of proven, in hundreds of millions of cases, "allopathic" treatment.
You at one and the same time maintain that nurses are not "professional health care specialists", and at the same time that "they have worked alongside a specialist for a time and learned what he/she prescribes for various evident conditions." Logically inconsistent. How do doctors become doctors?  "They have worked alongside a specialist for a time and learned what he/she prescribes for various evident conditions", i.e.  at university, where the bulk of nurses acquire their training.
Oh, yes. Six members of my family are, or have been, nurses. An additional number of my fiancee's family are or have been nurses HERE IN THAILAND. All of them have had stories of MDs who made errors in ordering certain drugs because they are unfamiliar with a patient's current medical situation, which it is a nurse's job to be familiar with as the first echelon of patient care, and with no difficulty in 99% of cases resolve by consulting with the doctor in question, who I believe are aways grateful for the intervention. The other one percent can be found filling the dockets of malpractice suits.
As someone who literally owes their life to these "alllopractical" professionals, doctors and nurses both, I categorically reject your apparent conspiratorial leanings, which to date includes 100% of people who speak with disdain of "allopathic"  medicine,  and entire classes of heath care professional. You do not, ipso facto, "love them all", or at least only as long as they stay in YOUR narrowly defined niche.

 

[Mac98]

Could the practice of dispensing medicine by "village health care providers" be the target of this Drug Bill?

[upu2]

On 9/1/2018 at 12:28 PM, micmichd said:

Have you ever been in a Western hospital? 

There the doctors prescribe you something, the nurses have to supply the drugs, and there's nothing a nurse can do about it. 

It's normal in Western hospitals that you get "sleeping pills", even if you're alredady asleep and maybe allergic against those meds. But a nurse is not allowed to say "no" in the doctor's absence, although it's clear for everyone that waking up someone just to take "sleeping pills" is completely illogical. 

NO but I have worked in hospitals

[Spidey]

On ‎8‎/‎31‎/‎2018 at 2:09 PM, snoop1130 said:

“We have studied much of what pharmacists have studied, though we are trained for different functions in the healthcare sector,” Panida said. 

 

So that will be very little then! Never known a Thai nurse to prescribe drugs. Illegal in the UK even though nurses are trained to a much higher standard.

 

" The lady doth protest to much, methinks"