What price a life? Man faces just one month jail after his vicious dogs kill four year old riding her bike

[Vacuum]

10 hours ago, geriatrickid said:

if there was spaying and neutering and if there was licensing.

No need for this. If the owners kept their gates closed, there would be no problems. You're probably living in your hi-so condo on 24th floor and don't know about all the nuisance these dogs make. You should get out more, then maybe you would understand more about your precious soi dogs.

[oldlakey]

1 hour ago, The Deerhunter said:

And no good comes from locking dogs up in cages or full time on chains.  And on a property as large as ours (11 rai) they will always find a way out.   Caged and chained dogs become savage because they are not exercised and  have no opportunities to be socialised like a normal dog.  Thais are generally hopeless at looking after dogs.  And, when when their caged dogs get our they get out they can chase, attack and kill children on bikes because they know no better.  This is exactly a sad example in point..... "Noppapon said that the dogs responsible for the attack were kept in pens in a neighbor's house." 

We have 6 dogs because the family insisted on a pack because "they are always dying."  We have had several deaths.  Three from Parvo because  they not innoculated when I got here.  One Hit by car and one poisoned. He was here when I came and was such an awful dog I wanted to get rid of him.  The family would only hear of taking him a long way away in a truck and throwing him out, which I vetoed.  I was glad when he was poisoned.  No loss.  I do have chains and they are used for punishment if a dog misbehaves.  They understand. it exactly.

 If it is not too much trouble for you please try to understand that our situation is nothing like the unfortunate one that is the subject of this thread.  It occurred in an urban soi.  We live in a rural area on a 1km long road with 5 houses fronting it.  (2 more off a side road. Everyone has dogs.  One has over 15.  Ours are the best vaccinated and fed dogs in the street.  and they keep other hungry scavanging dogs away.   

 

We have lots of very valuable fruit and numerous pumps on the property, all of which are tempting targets for thieves.  We have had two pumps stolen in the last 5 years, but now they are heavily protected protected by concrete, welded steel rebar cages, heavy locks hidden inside the cage where they cannot be easily cut...   and DOGS.   Security IS a problem round here.  We have no telephone lines in the street.  TOT refuses too replace them again because they only get stolen.  No one in this area has had land line phones or ADSL internet for over 10 years.  All our tool sheds are locked at night and burglaries do happen round here.   If one of my dogs turned into a biter I would probably do something that is illegal in Thailand .... find some way to have it destroyed.

My dogs are socialized  and have kids in and out of here on bikes all the time.  I have no time for caged or constantly chained dogs or wild soi dogs.  We are not going to agree on this.  Lets leave it there.

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Nobody is suggesting that you cage or chain your dogs, no need with so much space for them

You should make sure your 8ft barbed wire fence is dog proof, as regards getting out, which would appear to increase life expectancy for the odd one or two

I will repeat I can see no reason for allowing a pack of dogs to roam at will anywhere, however secluded, because they cannot ever be trusted, they are after all "DOGS" 

It's as simple as that for me, as what can happen is perfectly obvious 

I will leave it with you as I have nothing else to add

 

[Incobart]

many time when I read reactions here from foreigners, I have the idea that it comes out of a prison or low harbour cafe. Many are so agressief thinking,  condemening others  bbbrrrr

Things happen in live, and you must try to understand.

In this case it is just an accident, nobody wanted this to happen, if the kid was bitten by a snake, or a wall fall down on her, or a car explode, it is sad, and just an accident.

I think the guy, grandmother or dogs need no punishment.

stop agressive language, try to forget  the sad happening and go on with your life !

[sambum]

21 minutes ago, Incobart said:

many time when I read reactions here from foreigners, I have the idea that it comes out of a prison or low harbour cafe. Many are so agressief thinking,  condemening others  bbbrrrr

Things happen in live, and you must try to understand.

In this case it is just an accident, nobody wanted this to happen, if the kid was bitten by a snake, or a wall fall down on her, or a car explode, it is sad, and just an accident.

I think the guy, grandmother or dogs need no punishment.

stop agressive language, try to forget  the sad happening and go on with your life !

 

"I think the guy, grandmother or dogs need no punishment."

 

And that just about says it all about a "non foreigner" attitude - I can't believe that somebody would actually come out with such an inane (insane) statement!

[bandito]

On ‎9‎/‎19‎/‎2018 at 4:16 PM, jgarbo said:

If they're neighbors, it'll get worked out to everyone's satisfaction. Money won't save the girl, nor killing the dogs. They'll work it out.

Killing the dogs would be a good first step to a safe soi.

A girl of 4 yrs old got killed by dogs and "they'll work it out"?.

I sure would "work it out" like Charles Bronson in the movie Deathwish.

[bandito]

3 hours ago, Incobart said:

many time when I read reactions here from foreigners, I have the idea that it comes out of a prison or low harbour cafe. Many are so agressief thinking,  condemening others  bbbrrrr

Things happen in live, and you must try to understand.

In this case it is just an accident, nobody wanted this to happen, if the kid was bitten by a snake, or a wall fall down on her, or a car explode, it is sad, and just an accident.

I think the guy, grandmother or dogs need no punishment.

stop agressive language, try to forget  the sad happening and go on with your life !

 

You should be attacked and bitten by Pitt Bulls.

Maybe you learn something from the experience.

See if you will say "things happen in life".

[oldlakey]

4 hours ago, Incobart said:

many time when I read reactions here from foreigners, I have the idea that it comes out of a prison or low harbour cafe. Many are so agressief thinking,  condemening others  bbbrrrr

Things happen in live, and you must try to understand.

In this case it is just an accident, nobody wanted this to happen, if the kid was bitten by a snake, or a wall fall down on her, or a car explode, it is sad, and just an accident.

I think the guy, grandmother or dogs need no punishment.

stop agressive language, try to forget  the sad happening and go on with your life !

It was anything but an accident

The death of the child was a direct consequence of another's irresponsible actions

The child died a horrific death and is gone forever, that's what you should be concentrating your mind on, not defending those responsible

 

[superal]

1 hour ago, bandito said:

Killing the dogs would be a good first step to a safe soi.

A girl of 4 yrs old got killed by dogs and "they'll work it out"?.

I sure would "work it out" like Charles Bronson in the movie Deathwish.

There is a jail sentence here in LOS for killing a dog  ,  so revenge or taking care of a situation needs some thought so as to distance yourself from a crime .

[oldlakey]

4 minutes ago, superal said:

There is a jail sentence here in LOS for killing a dog  ,  so revenge or taking care of a situation needs some thought so as to distance yourself from a crime .

Quite

[MaxYakov]

On 9/19/2018 at 1:11 PM, holy cow cm said:

They should send the dogs to china or Vietnam to become table scraps. 

The dogs and their owner(s) should be assumed innocent until proven otherwise in a court of law. The dogs should be allowed to testify on their own behalf.

Edited September 20, 2018 by MaxYakov

[KiChakayan]

On 9/21/2018 at 1:30 AM, Incobart said:

many time when I read reactions here from foreigners, I have the idea that it comes out of a prison or low harbour cafe. Many are so agressief thinking,  condemening others  bbbrrrr

Things happen in live, and you must try to understand.

In this case it is just an accident, nobody wanted this to happen, if the kid was bitten by a snake, or a wall fall down on her, or a car explode, it is sad, and just an accident.

I think the guy, grandmother or dogs need no punishment.

stop agressive language, try to forget  the sad happening and go on with your life !

Well, if you are Thai, you do a great job just show us what this country is all about: irresponsibility and complete inability to understand that accidents happen not through fate but only because someone <deleted> up. 

[superal]

17 minutes ago, oldlakey said:

It was anything but an accident

The death of the child was a direct consequence of another's irresponsible actions

The child died a horrific death and is gone forever, that's what you should be concentrating your mind on, not defending those responsible

 

The tragedy was clearly preventable by the dog owner taking responsibility . However it seems to be common practice to allow owned dogs the freedom of the soi .   Allowt their dog to become one of the local pack that attack people , cyclists and motor bikes . Come into contact with rabied dogs . Soil the pavements and bark non stop for no reason . I have been attacked by packs so have stopped my walks and I know of 4 falangs who have been bitten , followed by a course of treatment .  This young girls death is just the tip of the iceberg with many injuries inflicted by owned dogs that have to be with the scared  victim for life . Sadly , nothing is going to change soon as apathy rules here .   

[Vacuum]

6 hours ago, Incobart said:

many time when I read reactions here from foreigners, I have the idea that it comes out of a prison or low harbour cafe. Many are so agressief thinking,  condemening others  bbbrrrr

Things happen in live, and you must try to understand.

In this case it is just an accident, nobody wanted this to happen, if the kid was bitten by a snake, or a wall fall down on her, or a car explode, it is sad, and just an accident.

I think the guy, grandmother or dogs need no punishment.

stop agressive language, try to forget  the sad happening and go on with your life !

You, sir, have obviously never met a pack of these street dogs. If one of them starts attacking you, the rest off the pack will join the party. Accintents has nothing to do with this. They should be rounded up and put down, period.

[holy cow cm]

1 hour ago, MaxYakov said:

The dogs and their owner(s) should be assumed innocent until proven otherwise in a court of law. The dogs should be allowed to testify on their own behalf.

Canine court. Great!

[The Deerhunter]

10 hours ago, oldlakey said:

Nobody is suggesting that you cage or chain your dogs, no need with so much space for them

You should make sure your 8ft barbed wire fence is dog proof, as regards getting out, which would appear to increase life expectancy for the odd one or two

I will repeat I can see no reason for allowing a pack of dogs to roam at will anywhere, however secluded, because they cannot ever be trusted, they are after all "DOGS" 

It's as simple as that for me, as what can happen is perfectly obvious 

I will leave it with you as I have nothing else to add

 

500 metres of dog proof fence???? You jest of course.  I assume you have never owned a dog. Dogs dont even need wire cutters like durian thieves do. This has become a futile exercise.  Over and out.

[HHTel]

9 hours ago, Incobart said:

In this case it is just an accident, nobody wanted this to happen,

Of course nobody wanted this to happen.  The term accident is very overused these days.  Surely an 'accident' is something that wasn't preventable.  In this case, it certainly wasn't an accident.

[Just Weird]

On ‎9‎/‎20‎/‎2018 at 3:59 AM, TunnelRat69 said:

Don't laugh, a Standard Poodle can weigh as much as 75lbs, normally very social animal, but can be fierce with a strong bite and sharp teeth

I wasn't laughing, it was a serious remark and I do know what a poodle is and the differences between Standard, Miniature and Toy, thanks very much

[Just Weird]

On ‎9‎/‎20‎/‎2018 at 9:11 AM, car720 said:

Yes I do.

and cats also.

Domestic animals are responsible for the deaths and almost extinction in some cases of the world's native wildlife.

You should have said so then, instead of going on about Pit Bulls.

[mark5335]

Some laws in Thailand are incredibly ......  you cannot say what you
really mean as could get done under the computer crimes act,AND
it would be more than a month in jail,
regards worgeordie

...agreed worgeordie, and if caught picking mushrooms in a national park then it’s jail for 50 years. Go figure.
regards mark


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[Incobart]

6 hours ago, Vacuum said:

You, sir, have obviously never met a pack of these street dogs. If one of them starts attacking you, the rest off the pack will join the party. Accintents has nothing to do with this. They should be rounded up and put down, period.

first point, you are right. and if it happen to me i am in bad luck, I will not blame the owner or the dogs.

second point you are wrong, we are a part of nature, 99.5 % of dogs brings happiness/help to people, sometime it can go wrong. same like in a lion park, crocodile park or with human. you have all good neighbours, but maybe 1 time one get mad and kill you. or you get in a fight at a street and others join.

in your judgement, we should kill all ...  till nothing left in this world,  maybe birds, fish .. but i hear some wants to kill gecko's also because they have to shit and the birds make noise.

Edited September 21, 2018 by Incobart

[sambum]

8 hours ago, superal said:

The tragedy was clearly preventable by the dog owner taking responsibility . However it seems to be common practice to allow owned dogs the freedom of the soi .   Allowt their dog to become one of the local pack that attack people , cyclists and motor bikes . Come into contact with rabied dogs . Soil the pavements and bark non stop for no reason . I have been attacked by packs so have stopped my walks and I know of 4 falangs who have been bitten , followed by a course of treatment .  This young girls death is just the tip of the iceberg with many injuries inflicted by owned dogs that have to be with the scared  victim for life . Sadly , nothing is going to change soon as apathy rules here .   

Apathy going hand in hand with those in high places who are never in a position to be savaged by street/soi dogs - usually protected by the steel doors of a Merc or Beamer!

[tootall]

I have a good question I am sure many want to Know. CATS stray or ones who have owners that let them run wild at their leisure. I live in a community where cats are running wild. They piss/poop on my property, walk on my truck and make dirty paw prints on my truck and windows, cat fights late at night, howling, screeching, sounds like children in distress. I want to know where I can find a small animal cage/trap so I can capture these wild cats and take them far away from my house.

[Bournville]

50.000 baht fine driving no. Licence. The killing of a 4 year old by dogs and the owner could face a 10.000 baht fine. Insanity in Thailand

Be happy

[oldlakey]

13 hours ago, The Deerhunter said:

500 metres of dog proof fence???? You jest of course.  I assume you have never owned a dog. Dogs dont even need wire cutters like durian thieves do. This has become a futile exercise.  Over and out.

Futile I agree, why don't you just close your gates with your dogs inside maybe that would deter the local thieves

It would certainly make the neighbourhood a safer place with one less pack of dogs on the loose

[The Deerhunter]

2 hours ago, oldlakey said:

Futile I agree, why don't you just close your gates with your dogs inside maybe that would deter the local thieves

It would certainly make the neighbourhood a safer place with one less pack of dogs on the loose

The gates are always all closed and locked all night every night.  Six locked steel gates and 500m of 10 wire barbed wire fence stop neither dogs or thieves.  Dogs burrow or jump through fences at an angle, anywhere they like.

Fruit thieves use wire cutters, bolt cutters  and hack saws.

There are plenty of untrained dogs around here that that roam up and down the road all day and night, mainly looking for food.  Ours are not among them.  our dogs  chase the ferals away from our property of we would be over-run.   At the most,  2 or 3 of our dogs take a brief walk most late afternoons through an uninhabited neighbours property and return down our family private road.  They come back in the main gate after being absent for 5 or 10 minutes, tops.  Other than that the whole 6 are rarely more than 40 metres from the house unless they are with us away from the house, which they love.  They sleep for much of every day anyway as they are all awake for much of every night responding to other local dogs' movements by lying out near our main gate.  Our dogs are not a danger to anyone except thieves and do not fulfil your fantasy of a local re-enactment of Jack London's "White Fang."

I have spent hundreds of hours reinforcing what I expect from our dogs  and miscreants occasionally get chained up for a few hours or days to confirm my resolve.

Please stop confusing well behaved, painstakingly socialised farm/house dogs (guard dogs if you wish) with roaming killer packs of rabid proto-wolves.  It is simply a fantasy.    

 

I cannot afford to waste any more time answering your misconceptions.  I share your concerns about undisciplined, wild or savage dogs of which Thailand has too many and even too many in this neighbourhood.  Thank you for your concern about our dogs but I firmly believe your fears are misplaced.

[dallen52]

On 9/20/2018 at 10:12 AM, sambum said:

"If negligence could be proven he could be in more serious trouble, said Pol Lt-Col Thongsuk Ratseewor."

 

2 months in jail?

Oh dont forget to throw in heaps if wais.

[metisdead]

An inflammatory post has been removed. 

[oldlakey]

4 hours ago, The Deerhunter said:

The gates are always all closed and locked all night every night.  Six locked steel gates and 500m of 10 wire barbed wire fence stop neither dogs or thieves.  Dogs burrow or jump through fences at an angle, anywhere they like.

Fruit thieves use wire cutters, bolt cutters  and hack saws.

There are plenty of untrained dogs around here that that roam up and down the road all day and night, mainly looking for food.  Ours are not among them.  our dogs  chase the ferals away from our property of we would be over-run.   At the most,  2 or 3 of our dogs take a brief walk most late afternoons through an uninhabited neighbours property and return down our family private road.  They come back in the main gate after being absent for 5 or 10 minutes, tops.  Other than that the whole 6 are rarely more than 40 metres from the house unless they are with us away from the house, which they love.  They sleep for much of every day anyway as they are all awake for much of every night responding to other local dogs' movements by lying out near our main gate.  Our dogs are not a danger to anyone except thieves and do not fulfil your fantasy of a local re-enactment of Jack London's "White Fang."

I have spent hundreds of hours reinforcing what I expect from our dogs  and miscreants occasionally get chained up for a few hours or days to confirm my resolve.

Please stop confusing well behaved, painstakingly socialised farm/house dogs (guard dogs if you wish) with roaming killer packs of rabid proto-wolves.  It is simply a fantasy.    

 

I cannot afford to waste any more time answering your misconceptions.  I share your concerns about undisciplined, wild or savage dogs of which Thailand has too many and even too many in this neighbourhood.  Thank you for your concern about our dogs but I firmly believe your fears are misplaced.

You change your story at every Post you make, earlier it was your dogs roamed at will

Hence the dog that got poisoned for attacking locals ,plus the dog "KILLED ON THE ROAD"

You need to understand your responsibilities to the general public if you feel the need for 6 dogs

Don't let them roam, because uncontrolled dogs are the reason the 4 year old child is now no longer with us 

I have no fears about your free roaming dogs, I am just aware of what could happen and does happen as regards the actions of irresponsible "dog owners"

As you say we have both made our position crystal clear so I will offer you the last word for any further changes you want to make to your story

Have a nice weekend my man

 

[superal]

1 hour ago, oldlakey said:

You change your story at every Post you make, earlier it was your dogs roamed at will

Hence the dog that got poisoned for attacking locals ,plus the dog "KILLED ON THE ROAD"

You need to understand your responsibilities to the general public if you feel the need for 6 dogs

Don't let them roam, because uncontrolled dogs are the reason the 4 year old child is now no longer with us 

I have no fears about your free roaming dogs, I am just aware of what could happen and does happen as regards the actions of irresponsible "dog owners"

As you say we have both made our position crystal clear so I will offer you the last word for any further changes you want to make to your story

Have a nice weekend my man

 

A trained dogs behavior is normally predictable under the guidance of its owner . However , when the dog is unattended and free to wander , natural instincts can take their course .  Even a household family pet dog can change its ways when joining a pack of soi dogs . I have heard owners say " I cannot believe my dog would do such a thing , he would not harm a fly ". The fact is the hunting & killing is generically within all dogs as it was how they existed . Knowing what their trigger is can be a variant . Finally to dog owners , would you leave your baby/child alone in a room with your dog ?

[Vacuum]

4 minutes ago, superal said:

Even a household family pet dog can change its ways when joining a pack of soi dogs .

Unless the "pet dog" is a alpha male, it will not join the pack. It will be attacked by them.