Koh Tao alleged rape case: Big Joke admits to concerns as female officer set to go to England

[joebrown]

There are several reasons why I think any investigation now is a waste of time :-

1. Time & Place of Alleged Rape.... A long time ago on a beach. Tides and shifting sands. Crime scene corrupted (now where have I read that before?)

2. No Witnesses... A very common denominator on KT. Add to this the local 'wall of silence' (Possibly caused by the 'horse's head in bed' syndrome)

3. Protection of the tourist baht.

4. Face

So, why send a team to the UK? Well, they have to be seen to be doing something to protect 3 & 4 above!

[Just Weird]

23 hours ago, Oziex1 said:

"However he added: "If the victim has changed her story about the location by the time we speak to her that will be a problem as vital time and evidence could have been lost". "

 

Their escape clause in bold type.

 

Well if they had not dismissed her at the time she reported to the police, the crime scene would still be fresh.

 

I think it's too late now and they are really not interested in justice for the lady.

"Well if they had not dismissed her at the time she reported to the police, the crime scene would still be fresh".

 

The claim is that she has now changed the location of the alleged rape!  Why would the crime scene still be fresh after so many weeks.

[Just Weird]

23 hours ago, darksidedog said:

Given that the cops have made it abundantly clear that they are not going to do anything about it, and whose sole focus from day one, before collecting any evidence was to deny it, one wonders why they are bothering. Having threatened the alleged victim also, I would not be at all surprised if she refused to even bother meeting with them, regardless of who they send.

"Given that the cops have made it abundantly clear that they are not going to do anything about it, and whose sole focus from day one, before collecting any evidence was to deny it..."

Sorry but that's just nonsense.  The police have had no co-operation from the alleged victim from day one!  The only thing that they denied was that was any evidence of a rape having happened at the claimed location.

 

The police have not threatened Baxter except to say that if her story (that does not add up, in my opinion) was untrue she could expect consequences, what, exactly, is wrong with that?

[Sheryl]

There is no indication that she has changed the location or anything else in her story.

 

The location that BJ "investigated" was based on a UK tabloid's version of something her mother (who has likely never visited the island) said.

 

With a beach being the crime scene even reported and investigated promptly one wouldn't expect to find much physical evidence if any there.

 

What has been lost due to the delay is chance to view relevant CCTV video, interview people in the area who might have scene domething/find out who was around at the time, and medical examination of the alleged victim to confirm whether rape took place and possibly get DNA sample.

 

This long after the fact there is little scope for any sort of investigation of the rape itself. What could still be investigated and addressed is the issue of KP police refusing to take the complaint. And underlying that, the issue of the apparent legal autonomy (explicit or implicit) of Koh Tao. It is a tourist island filled with holiday makers, many of the inevitably drunk etc. Accidents are going to happen. People are going to wake up suspecting they've been robbed or raped (sometimes correctly, sometimes not). Assaults are going to happen. There needs to be an effective Tourist Police and RTP presence that is not subordinate to local power structures and is able and willing to take and investigate complaints received in a professional manner. Not currently the case.

 

 

 

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[Just Weird]

22 hours ago, Oziex1 said:

Well it would have been fresher then than now.  It's a moot point though as there has been no investigation and likely will not be one. 

 

There has been no substantial investigation because the girl, allegedly, did not make a complaint to the police (her mother's doesn't count) and she would not be interviewed by the police until now.  How can an investigation take place in those circumstances?

[Just Weird]

22 hours ago, Sheryl said:

A one day delay isn't much. Certainly fresher than months later!

 

They could not effectively investigate this now even if they wanted to.

 

What they could do (but likely won't) is address the issue of police jurisdiction for Koh Tao.

"They could not effectively investigate this now even if they wanted to".

And that is entirely down to Baxter!

[Just Weird]

22 hours ago, Pedrogaz said:

They erased the CCTV.....rather suspiciously in my opinion. 

It has been explained very clearly that the CCTV very reasonably, is taped over after a couple (?) of weeks, much too late for the tardy complaint from this girl's mother.

[Just Weird]

20 hours ago, jimmynewbie said:

Maybe his master Prawit has his eye on Big Ben

The UK also said they would not speak to him adding that he can not even speak English and attacked the victim from the start

The "UK" does not have to speak to anyone, the girl with the dodgy story is the one who has to speak to police if she is to regain any hint of credibility.

[Just Weird]

12 hours ago, Ulic said:

Not sure about charges for spreading fake news but what about defamation calling her a liar.

If there is semen found on the shirt she was wearing that night as earlier reported. After all she

is facing defamation charges under the computer crimes act for impugning the good name of Ko Tao.

What would semen on the shirt of a very drunk girl who voluntarily went to the beach with the friend who was supposed to be escorting her safely back to her hostel and left her there alone prove?  I think it may prove that there was semen on a shirt.

[Just Weird]

19 minutes ago, Sheryl said:

There is no indication that she has changed the location or anything else in her story.

 

The location that BJ "investigated" was based on a UK tabloid's version of something her mother (who has likely never visited the island) said.

Try reading the OP!  There is a glaring indication that the location details have been changed.

[Odysseus123]

On 9/26/2018 at 6:14 PM, darksidedog said:

Given that the cops have made it abundantly clear that they are not going to do anything about it, and whose sole focus from day one, before collecting any evidence was to deny it, one wonders why they are bothering. Having threatened the alleged victim also, I would not be at all surprised if she refused to even bother meeting with them, regardless of who they send.

A career death sentence-let's hope they give her tea and biscuits and some kind of benign intro to Policing 101.

 

[rkidlad]

43 minutes ago, Just Weird said:

"Well if they had not dismissed her at the time she reported to the police, the crime scene would still be fresh".

 

The claim is that she has now changed the location of the alleged rape!  Why would the crime scene still be fresh after so many weeks.

Who changed the location of the alleged rape? 

[SuperTed]

Dear Thailand and ThaiVisa chatters - stop victim shaming! It is your own daughter who is being raped. It is your own daughter who is being raped and not reporting for fear of the comments she has overheard and read before being directed at her.

Grow up boys.


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[rkidlad]

37 minutes ago, Just Weird said:

 

There has been no substantial investigation because the girl, allegedly, did not make a complaint to the police (her mother's doesn't count) and she would not be interviewed by the police until now.  How can an investigation take place in those circumstances?

Well, the alleged victim and her friend Martin claimed they tried to report the rape on Kho Panghan. They were told they couldn’t cos it happened on Kho Tao. Guess the police on Phangan didn’t feel obliged or even compelled to help. 

[rkidlad]

23 minutes ago, Just Weird said:

Try reading the OP!  There is a glaring indication that the location details have been changed.

Please share this ‘glaring indication’. 

[Sheryl]

Well, the alleged victim and her friend Martin claimed they tried to report the rape on Kho Panghan. They were told they couldn’t cos it happened on Kho Tao. Guess the police on Phangan didn’t feel obliged or even compelled to help. 

I don't know if accurate but I read somewhere that ever since first settled the main families on KT have enjoyed a sort of legal autonomy in running the island and KP poluce truly do not yave any jurisdiction.

No way for this woman to have known this but may help explain their refusal to receive or act on the report and their telling her she had to return to KT and report it to police there.

It is way too late to sort out this alleged rape but high time to sort out the law enforcement situation on KT.

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[rkidlad]

2 minutes ago, Sheryl said:

I don't know if accurate but I read somewhere that ever since first settled the main families on KT have enjoyed a sort of legal autonomy in running the island and KP poluce truly do not yave any jurisdiction.

No way for this woman to have known this but may help explain their refusal to receive or act on the report and their telling her she had to return to KT and report it to police there.

It is way too late to sort out this alleged rape but high time to sort out the law enforcement situation on KT.

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Oh, I can well believe that to be true. But the police on KP could have at least offered some form of support. They are the police after all. I’m not a police officer nor do I know anything about rape cases or how to deal with alleged victims of rape - but had I been the police officer they told, I’d have had her come in to sit and wait while I ask around and make some phone calls. I guess that’s just common sense and basic human decency. 

[Sheryl]

3 hours ago, rkidlad said:

Oh, I can well believe that to be true. But the police on KP could have at least offered some form of support. They are the police after all. I’m not a police officer nor do I know anything about rape cases or how to deal with alleged victims of rape - but had I been the police officer they told, I’d have had her come in to sit and wait while I ask around and make some phone calls. I guess that’s just common sense and basic human decency. 

There is a lot left to be desired in how Thai police treat rape victims.  Advocacy group have been lobbying for reform in that regard for years. One of the reasons rape is so under-reported by Thai women.

[jimmynewbie]

4 hours ago, Sheryl said:

I don't know if accurate but I read somewhere that ever since first settled the main families on KT have enjoyed a sort of legal autonomy in running the island and KP poluce truly do not yave any jurisdiction.

No way for this woman to have known this but may help explain their refusal to receive or act on the report and their telling her she had to return to KT and report it to police there.

It is way too late to sort out this alleged rape but high time to sort out the law enforcement situation on KT.

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The main family are very close to Suthep and the ones we can not mention, they helped finance Sutheps election campaign and the coup with some rather large donations

[Just Weird]

22 hours ago, rkidlad said:

Who changed the location of the alleged rape? 

It's in the OP, try reading it for the answer.

[rkidlad]

3 minutes ago, Just Weird said:

It's in the OP, try reading it for the answer.

It doesn’t say. 

[Just Weird]

22 hours ago, rkidlad said:

Well, the alleged victim and her friend Martin claimed they tried to report the rape on Kho Panghan. They were told they couldn’t cos it happened on Kho Tao. Guess the police on Phangan didn’t feel obliged or even compelled to help. 

That's true only if you believe Baxters story which does not add up in so many areas.  The evidence that she has so far provided the RTP, i.e. none at all, suggests to me (and others) that her story may not have any grounds. 

[Just Weird]

22 hours ago, rkidlad said:

Please share this ‘glaring indication’. 

It doesn't need me to share it, all you have to do is read the OP!

[rkidlad]

Just now, Just Weird said:

That's true only if you believe Baxters story which does not add up in so many areas.  The evidence that she has so far provided the RTP, i.e. none at all, suggests to me (and others) that her story may not have any grounds. 

Please explain what part of his story doesn’t add up. 

[rkidlad]

Just now, Just Weird said:

It doesn't need me to share it, all you have to do is read the OP!

Again, I can’t see it. You said it’s glaring so where is it? 

[Just Weird]

22 hours ago, rkidlad said:

Please share this ‘glaring indication’. 

 

27 minutes ago, rkidlad said:

It doesn’t say. 

 

24 minutes ago, rkidlad said:

Again, I can’t see it. You said it’s glaring so where is it? 

Try reading paragraphs 2, 3 and 4 of the OP, on this thread.

Edited September 28, 2018 by Just Weird

[rkidlad]

2 minutes ago, Just Weird said:

 

 

Try reading paragraphs 2, 3 and 4 of the OP, on this thread.

I read read it all. I can’t see anything glaring. Just blanket statements from you. 

 

Why don’t you quote parts of the acricle where it’s so glaring. Otherwise your posts will just be dismissed as a load of old b****x 

[Kadilo]

I read read it all. I can’t see anything glaring. Just blanket statements from you. 
 
Why don’t you quote parts of the acricle where it’s so glaring. Otherwise your posts will just be dismissed as a load of old b****x 

What you don’t already.


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[Rimmer]

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[Ludo55]

Big Joke cant speak English? How is he the Deputy Head of the Tourist Police